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SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 2:31:33 AM)

firmobeisance: Well, I would be interested in hearing about your experieces in this area, if you want to relay any. I would not laugh at them (and I promise to cyber-spank anyone who does).[:)] But if you'd rather not, and just want to read and participate, of course that's fine, too.

- Susan



adaddysgirl -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 2:38:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: chellekitty


just an fyi...unlike this dude...a ghost usually goes away once you acknowlege their presence and purpose of being there...well unless they are waiting for someone else to pass over...



And maybe that's his point?  LOL
 
DG



tsherpet -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 2:58:05 AM)

"So...you're saying I hear voices because of my ego? Or is that why I call them voices."

Both are possible, and they are not the only choices.

" Not at all possible people are trying to establish a framework to define common experience"

See ego and other rational explainations. No one was singling you out from the rest of the species.

"The only debate here is whether these people who see a scrolling post blurb, pop on over to drop another kernel of reason without ever reading the title of the thread (Are you psychic and how does this affect your relationship; lotta room for debate there) "

Reading the title of the thread is why someone should be injecting reason.

"Perhaps if you had actually bothered to read any of the posts in this thread you would understand that many people who claim to experience this, myself included, would rather not. Allow me to assure you. "

LOL, sure. Isn't it funny that only those who don't make the claims are concerned about understanding them, refining them and advancing the understanding of humanity? What a remarkable (well not so remarkable) coincidence?



SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:05:32 AM)

tsherpet: Why are you insulting other people? All they are doing is putting their own views out there. You continue to respond as if you are stating fact - when it's pretty clear it is only your own opinion you are stating. And it's not like at this point, anyone reading this thread doesn't already know what those are. Of course you have  right to state your opinion - please give other people the same courtesy.

- Susan



adaddysgirl -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:06:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MstrssScarlet


I had hopes when I went to bed last night that I had nudged the topic back closer to where it belonged.  But NOOOOO.  Tsherpet just couldn't let it go until he sucked every bit of life out of this thread.  Such a shame.  If that's who you think deserves the cbyer-spank, I'll break one of my own rules just this once to do it.
 
Yes, that is the one.  But could you please get it on cam...otherwise, i may not believe it  [sm=lol.gif]
 
I've been out all day and just now got the chance to check back in.  Why doesn't my husband tell other people about his abilities?  Maybe because he's afraid he'll have to listen to 20 friggin pages worth of lecturing and ridiculing!!!!  Sheeesh!  I'm outta here.  If this thread starts becoming fun, someone please send me an email.  Right now it's just irritating.  Kudos to everyone who's managed to hang in there this long.
Mistress Scarlet 

The irony is....the skeptics call the believers close minded when in actuality, it is the skeptics who are the close minded ones.  The believers are at least keeping an open mind that some supernatural phenomena may exist is this unpredictable journey we call life.  Maybe some are born with special powers....or extra sensory perception...or whatever.  Does that really sound so far removed from the realm of possibility? 
 
If a little kid really did see (or hear) a ghost, and he told his parents...they would either think he was nuts, or had an overactive imagination.  i mean, how would he actually prove that?
 
And even those on here who testify to seeing or hearing what someone else saw, are still not believed.  It's a no-win situation....and that is why most keep it to themselves.
 
If i had a premonition that my next door neighbor was going to die in a car accident and i told my best friend about it...and then the person did die that way....who would believe that i actually foresaw that?  They would probably think we were making it up or something.
 
It seems to me that psychics have actually helped the police in solving crimes...or is that just made up shit?  So really....what level of proof is needed?
 
Makes me wonder if i (personally) did ever believe i was psychic, who i would tell....if anyone.  Overall though, i really have enjoyed this thread (with the exception of the blow-hard, of course).
 
DG 




NJPagan -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:16:30 AM)

 As a tarot reader of 20 years, I will offer a read to anyone that wants one. I have used it as a 411 on the life and energy of a prospective sub. Now I understand that's not exactly what you asked about, but I have also used intuition to navigate difficulties within relationships (work, personal) and generally go with what I feel over what I think. Psychic? I don't know. What I do know is it works for me. It's a practice makes perfect sort of thing and believe anyone can intuit if they choose to do so...

  Brightest Blessings,

      Stephen




SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:18:29 AM)

Here is a website article about a woman psychic who has helped police solve criminal cases.  





[image]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/images/heading_tribpm.gif[/image]

By Maggi Newhouse
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, July 25, 2005

The elderly man had been missing for weeks. Neither the local nor state police had any clues. Search dogs and helicopters turned up nothing. And the grieving family was demanding answers.

Monroeville police detective Will Greenaway couldn't figure out what happened to Sylvester Tonet, who disappeared while walking home during a snowstorm in 1988. So when the family asked him to work with a psychic, he begrudgingly agreed.
"You do it to satisfy the family," said Greenaway, 66 and now retired from the department. "It's a grieving family, so anything you can do. I just went along with it."

After 32 years of work as a psychic, Nancy Myer said she's grown accustomed to the skepticism that surrounds her and her profession.

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The Latrobe, Westmoreland County woman said she's assisted police on more than 550 cases.
"I really don't worry too much about convincing someone, because a lot of people who are prejudiced, it doesn't matter what you say -- it won't change their minds," said Myer, 60. "I just try to do my job to the best of my ability and I feel like the work will speak for me. And it has."

The use of psychics in police investigations is nothing new. But with the success of television shows like NBC's "Medium," and USA's "The Dead Zone," and the use of psychics in several high profile cases, psychics are garnering more attention.
More attention could lead to more acceptance of the paranormal -- and that has Joe Nickell concerned.

"With this kind of mumbo jumbo, where will it end?" said Nickell, an author and senior research fellow with the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal in Amherst, N.Y.

"If you have police seeking clairvoyance -- something science cannot verify, will we start using astrology to pick jurors? When will the ignorance and superstition stop? It ought to stop."

Police looking for missing Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar admitted last month to consulting with a psychic. And family members of Natalee Holloway, an Alabama teenager who disappeared in Aruba six weeks ago, say they've consulted psychics.

Greenaway said he was skeptical when Myer first began her work on the Tonet case, recently profiled on Court TV's "Psychic Detectives," but was soon impressed with her professionalism.

To begin her work, Myer said she requests the name of the victim, copies of photos taken at a crime scene and a recent photo of the victim.

"That will tell me what state of mind the victim was in, whether they actually knew the assailant," she said. "I can actually get into their memory banks that way."

Her goal is not to solve cases, but to give the cases a better focus.

"My goal is to provide new information that they can use to get the case moving in the right direction," she said. "That's my goal, because I believe that is a more realistic goal."

In Tonet's case, Myer began drawing maps of the area around the man's home and pinpointed a location where police would find his body.

One month after Tonet disappeared, she and Greenaway attempted to reach the body, but cold weather conditions prevented the two from reaching the site. The next day, Greenaway returned to location with search crews and they found the Tonet's body in the place where Myer had described.

"I never believed in that stuff before, I don't know if I still do, but what she did -- her assistance in that case -- was really something," Greenaway said.

Myer said she often hears comments like Greenaway's.
"I've dealt with some very, very skeptical police officers who ended up saying, 'I still don't believe in this, but you've got it,'" she said. "I just focus on doing my job. I know the prejudice isn't going to change, but if it's ever going to change, it will be because of an accumulating body of a job well done."

Nickell said he's still waiting to see evidence of any psychic's success.
"Let them come forward right now and find Natalee Holloway. Where were they when we needed them to find Chandra Levy? The world was begging for information on her for months and months," he said.
"Where are these psychics when they are really needed? Where are their successes? There aren't any." (Note: Well, there have been - like this one, and many like it - it's just that people who aren't going to believe in it, can't get past their skepticism about it, IMO)  
 
- Susan



adaddysgirl -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:54:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO






The Latrobe, Westmoreland County woman said she's assisted police on more than 550 cases.
"I really don't worry too much about convincing someone, because a lot of people who are prejudiced, it doesn't matter what you say -- it won't change their minds," said Myer, 60. "I just try to do my job to the best of my ability and I feel like the work will speak for me. And it has."


"With this kind of mumbo jumbo, where will it end?" said Nickell, an author and senior research fellow with the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal in Amherst, N.Y.

"If you have police seeking clairvoyance -- something science cannot verify, will we start using astrology to pick jurors? When will the ignorance and superstition stop? It ought to stop."
 
Who is really the ignorant one here?


"I never believed in that stuff before, I don't know if I still do, but what she did -- her assistance in that case -- was really something," Greenaway said.

Myer said she often hears comments like Greenaway's.
"I've dealt with some very, very skeptical police officers who ended up saying, 'I still don't believe in this, but you've got it,'" she said. "I just focus on doing my job. I know the prejudice isn't going to change, but if it's ever going to change, it will be because of an accumulating body of a job well done."
 
Still not enough proof, huh?
Nickell said he's still waiting to see evidence of any psychic's success.
"Let them come forward right now and find Natalee Holloway. Where were they when we needed them to find Chandra Levy? The world was begging for information on her for months and months," he said.
"Where are these psychics when they are really needed? Where are their successes? There aren't any." (Note: Well, there have been - like this one, and many like it - it's just that people who aren't going to believe in it, can't get past their skepticism about it, IMO)  
 
That's right Susan....they just aren't going to believe because THEY DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE.  And i think it's ignorant that people think you can just conjure up some thought and just go find some missing person.  These things come to people as they do.  i don't see how you can force a thought to appear if it just isn't going to happen for some reason.  But for the times it does work out, people still don't believe  [sm=noway.gif]
 
 
Thanks Susan.  i snipped it for brevity.
DG




WillowRain -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:56:29 AM)

I haven't noticed it being more common in D types or S types. Like having a heightened sense of smell, it may be useful, but so far I haven't seen any corralation in roles in power exchange. There is a natural range for this kind of thing in almost anyone I think.



SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 3:58:23 AM)

adaddysgirl: I thought it was kind of interesting. I think you're right about people who are skeptical thinking that psychics totally solve cases on their own - most of the information I've seen has stated that psychics can help police with their impressions about a case - by giving clues (sometimes very accurate ones, IMO) that can lead to solving a case - and that is what IMO some of them seem to do (and as far as I know, reputable psychics haven't claimed to do otherwise)- but the police are the ones that put those clues together and actually end up solving the cases, most of the time.

- Susan 



adaddysgirl -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 4:10:14 AM)

And it's just like when people ask "Well how come they don't win the lottery then?"
 
Now how dumb is that?  Psychics aren't know-it-alls....if information comes to them and it can be used, then it does.  But to just walk up to a psychic and say "Hey, go find so and so for me"...or "Give me the winning lottery numbers"....is just asinine to think that it works that way.  Maybe people need to look into it more before making such moronic demands.
 
DG



SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 4:14:11 AM)

adaddysgirl: I agree there seems to be some mistaken impressions about psychic ability. I'm sure it isn't operating the same way for every psychic - but I've usually gotten the impression that  -what ever information "comes through" to them about whatever is just what come through -  and they aren't really controlling that, or how much, or how often, or when, a lot of the time. Which of course, to a hard-core skeptic, is just more evidence they are "faking" whatever information does come through.

*I noticed there were just two people on this page who actually answered the OP's original question - which I consider a good sign this thread may finally be turning around...I'd answer it, but I don't have any psychic experiences to relay (but I do believe they can happen for some people).

- Susan



mons -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 4:16:40 AM)

i am psychic it work well for me i can tell when a male is very wrong for me. it is scary i seen where missing people are. and i am never wrong. i can tell so fast when a person is evil or just plain crazy and i will leave them alone . when i am writing to someone and this never fails my things in my apartemnt will start to shake or move this is a sign to leave that male alone and i do. then i can also tell when someone is so good and kind and the right person.

oh i forgot my greeting to all :)

mons



Prinsexx -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 4:16:43 AM)

I am being mailed off the Boards about anything I am getting about Madeleine.
I am replying but I think it best not to post about it on the message board here as this is a board for general bdsm discusssions.

I think psychic ability is differents in everyone, that it is a primitive vestige and not just higher self. I think millions of years ago in our evolution we would have had to rely upon deep empathy skills and divination from nature with whatever was available. I think certain older far older cultures still maintain these as traditions of ritual and ways of life (Aboriginal for example and North American Indian).
I also think that reliance upon research and data is a post-modernist phenomena.

I also believe that were a 'stricter' survey to be taken, using a valid questionnaire, that the incidence of so-called psychic abilities would probably be higher in the bdsm community. I don't know where else anyone else is talking about mental control of a sexual nature. Actually friends in my vanilla world find the concept of 24/7 'no-hands' relationship exremely fascinating.The data would be interesting indeed from any such survey.

I like tio think I am skewed as well as kinked..............





Squeakers -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 4:17:34 AM)

Read through most of the threads,   all I can ask the skeptics is if they believe the weather report?    How many times, has a severe weather report been predicted and it did not happen?    Lot's of times.    I am ALWAYS excited when my weather bug chirps at work because I think WOOO HOOO the roads will get bad or the power will go out and I can get out early with pay, then it doesn't happen.   I also know there have been many times when a storm just comes out of nowhere.   No beeping on the tv, no chirping weather bug and boom it is there.    Weathermen are SOMETIMES wrong and that is science.   With our advanced prediction indicators it is still SOMETIMES wrong.  
Do I believe in psychics?   Sometimes.   The VERY best reading I ever had was from someone I did not know who never charged me.    I called a phone number advertised in some pulpy magazine.   She spoke to me for an hour, and it was not a 900 number just her personal home phone number.   At the time, my mother was undergoing a serious brain operation.    This woman told me that my mother would live through it BUT would die five years later of cancer.    Five years later my mother passed of cancer.    No one even knew she had it.    She was admitted for something else, they discovered the big C and a couple weeks later she passed, the Dr. said it appeared that the cancer had been there for quite sometime.    She also predicted a relationship for me that turned out exactly as she said even though THAT part I did not want to believe,
       I have encounter people who did not know a damn thing.    Once I enquired as to why a certain friend had not called.   I feared this friend was ill and what I got from three different paid psychics, was that he was buying me a Valentines gift.   All three of them said it.   I still did not believe them, later I got a phone call from my friends relative stating he was ill and in the hospital.   So it happens.  
       Do I believe, yes.   Sometimes, the weatherman is right.   Sometimes he isn't.   Remember weather is a prediction.     



CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 5:14:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Allow me to assure you that, at some point, the mechanism which maintains beliefs in superstitions (such as psychics, dieties, afterlives, etc.) tends to find its way into debates here, continuing to disregard reason in favor of one's own immediate interests, which, in this case, happen to rely on maintaining the personal ego.
So...you're saying I hear voices because of my ego?
Yeah.  The same ego I just apparently bruised.  (Seriously, did you do anything but whine?)
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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
Or is that why I call them voices. And what the heck is a "mechanism which maintains beliefs"?
A mechanism.  A way things happen to do something.  This particular mechanism is a way in which things happen to maintain superstitious beliefs.  (Use a dictionary next time.)
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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
Not at all possible people are trying to establish a framework to define common experience, or anything respectable, eh?
Ah, you know.  I still remember Psycology 101.  The professor told us about an organization that his own sister started.  You see, this lady goes around the world, finding other women who believe that Jesus Christ came down in human form, raped, and then married them.  There's quite a growing following, too.  They're all respectable people trying to establish a framework for a common experience, aye?  Do you not think that their first attempt at such an establishment would be to visit a psycologist, or do you think they're happier believing that the manifestation of God has a personal lust for them?  Yes, you may have a common experience.  No, it's not what you want it to be.  This world doesn't bend itself to your will.  (Please, if you think it does, take this oppurtunity to go flying off a very tall building before responding, just so you can prove me wrong.)
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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
The only debate here is whether these people who see a scrolling post blurb, pop on over to drop another kernel of reason without ever reading the title of the thread (Are you psychic and how does this affect your relationship; lotta room for debate there) should be afforded any more respect than they demonstrate.
Aww.  Did I hurt baby's feelings?  Heh.
Yeah, I'm not nice this morning.  Some bastard pulled the fire alarm in the dorms, so I'm up early, I'm cranky, and I smell nothing but whiney, bitchy shit off of you.  But, meh.  I'm supposed to be nice to you, no matter how crazy you are, right?

In any case, to pretend that you're doing something other than whining..
This is a thread where people can discuss their thoughts on something.  The response of mine you happen to be whining about was trying to tell another that you're going to believe your craziness, regardless, and that we should leave you alone.  Which you then turn around and bitch at me about- which is exactly what I was trying to get for you.  Seriously, I feel like I'm dealing with a five-year old.  (Hence the utter lack of respect.  I kind of doubt I'd have tolerated you, just two hours of sleep or not.)
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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
Point being, unless you can convince such individuals that they're better off not being psychics, it's unlikely that they'll even consider it in earnest.

There's no more profit here.

Perhaps if you had actually bothered to read any of the posts in this thread
Oh, I know!  It's almost like I haven't posted a dozen of the responses in this thread myself!  Or.. did you not read it?  Freakin' genius you are.  It's a wonder I can't seem to care less about you.. so.. "special".. and all..
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ORIGINAL: firmobeisance
you would understand that many people who claim to experience this, myself included, would rather not. Allow me to assure you.
Oh, wow, you're telling me that people who claim to be psychics would rather not think about it reasonably?  Isn't that my entire point?

PS-  Normally, I'm nicer.  Still, I posted that response that you just bitched about to tsherpet for the sake of encouraging him to leave it alone before a flame war picked up.  Then you, coming along to bitch about me not believing in your super powers, whine about it.  It's wonderful.  Like there aren't enough stupid things in the world already, you know?  Now go bend a spoon.  Or violate yourself with it.  I'm really not too particular, just as long as it's a silver spoon made in a traditional Chinese factory.

Note:  The particular venom for this fellow isn't for anyone else here.  For some reason, his particular brand of stupidity annoyed me.  Probably due to the fire alarm waking me up this early, but, meh.



came4U -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 11:30:53 AM)

It was predictable that he/she came back to continue not making sense.

Magic 8 ball said 100% chance of bullsh*t.



PrincessEllie -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 1:28:31 PM)

I know a lot of people might think this is a load of hooey, but I believe myself to be a very weak Psychic. I can't read the minds of others, I can't empathize with people, and I certainly cannot talk to spirits. I CAN sense that a phone call is coming before it does and about 60% of the time I can predict who the caller is. I have prophetic dreams sometimes, but not about anything drastic. It usually just culminates in a sense of Dejavu when, at some point during the next day, I realize I dreamed this part of my day.

My REAL speciality is in Tarot. I can do normal readings, but my relationship readings are dangerously good. A lot of my friends didn't believe me when I first started doing readings, but, three years later, they've realized that all of my readings came true. I've predicted EVERY SINGLE ONE of their relationships and changes thereof, as well as mine. [Unfortunatly, four consecutive readings told me that I would have serious relationship problems in November, so I'm quite worried.] About 10% of the time I can scry in smoke and water too, but mostly I cannot.

I also believe in more than just a small Psychic ability. I think the ability to  change things through will alone is possible. Ever since 5th grade, I have a failsafe ritual that has won me countless games of chance and found me many MANY lost articles. I have also, on occassion, changed other peoples minds.

I dictinctly remember, in 7th grade, preforming a ritual for my friend who had to go inside and take her medicine but the house was locked and her father wasn't coming back from his party until late that night, 12 or so. Right after doing the ritual, her father came home and said that he had just felt the urge to return because he thought something was wrong. I've done this sort of thing a lot, and I really believe, because of that, in a greater force. [I'm agnostic...]



CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 2:18:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessEllie

I CAN sense that a phone call is coming before it does and about 60% of the time I can predict who the caller is. I have prophetic dreams sometimes, but not about anything drastic.


Yeah, I've experienced this one.  My going explanation for it is that we constantly think of things like this, like, "Am I going to get a call [from so-and-so]?"  Our minds are constantly checking things, but most tend to avoid going to our conscious memory unless they somehow become relevant.

In other words, at the back of your mind right now, you're probably thinking of a couple of people who might call you, or other events that might happen.  And you're not going to remember, or even realize, most of them unless they somehow become substantial.

Anyhow, that's my theory on that one.



murmur -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/10/2007 6:30:17 PM)

Weather isnt a prediction. If we had the technology to measure what would have been the weather in the late 40', it would have been exact.
But the planet is now fucked up because of us stupid humans, so meteo cant be an exact science anymore.

Maybe if we didnt messed it up in the first place, we would have better results? [:-]



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