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nephandi -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:18:05 AM)
Hi quote: If you actively ’listen’ to what tserpet was saying, he wasn’t actually telling anyone what to believe, he wasn’t criticising specific personal beliefs, as has been claimed by a few. He concisely and coherently applied logic to the whole concept of belief/faith system, which is what psychic ability fundamentally relies on. He wasn’t claiming to be ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ just sharing proven facts. And actually used valid research to counteract claims made here, as opposed to making unsubstantiated claims, justified with belief. He did however inply that those of us that do belive in the supernatrual have not looked at it logically. i for once have, and i still belive. i wish you well

nephandi -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:25:58 AM)
Hi quote: My thoughts is I hope that sometime in the future, these two fields will learn to work side by side instead of against each other. Both try to explain things yet from different angles. i hope this to. That would be wonderful and i think many fieald would advance very quikly if the two topped being enemie and started to work together, giving one another a little arm space and cooperating. my well wishes.

nephandi -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:31:40 AM)
Hi quote: Are psychotics psychic???? Well some pepole belive that it is more easy for insane folks to tap into ESP so yes, perhaps they are. That being said, very few that are psychotic are actually dangerous. Many pepole whit pshychic problems are feared, i know, i have depression and Asperger's syndrome and pepole have asked if i wa dangerous. i wish you well

CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:34:50 AM)
Yes.. I'm a psychic.. feel my powers possessing you.. you must give CuriousLord all of your money.. you will give CuriousLord of all your money... you well tell your hot 21-year old niece about CuriousLord's sexual prowess.. Okay, okay, so it wasn't funny. My sympathies for your.. "psychic".. condition.

nephandi -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:37:35 AM)
Hi i have never said i am special. i have theese abilities, you have theese abilities, bloody Bush have theese abilities. i belive everyone do. Some pepole have just developed them more than others and are more open. i wish you well

chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:38:15 AM)
CL....honey...sweety...this is they psychic thread not the psycho thread...now take your meds and go play ping pong in the other room....

chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:39:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: nephandi Hi i have never said i am special. i have theese abilities, you have theese abilities, bloody Bush have theese abilities. i belive everyone do. Some pepole have just developed them more than others and are more open. i wish you well i am special, my mommy told me so...and i got to ride on the short bus to school... edited for spelling

liljoy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:46:27 AM)
ok so if you get a feeling that you should not proceed with something or someone or should perhaps proceed with caution is that intuition or psychic abilities? How does one know the difference?

CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:47:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chellekitty CL....honey...sweety...this is they psychic thread not the psycho thread...now take your meds and go play ping pong in the other room.... Ah.. my apologies. I had always assumed that the two words, "psychic" and "psycho", were synonyms. Actually, I just had an empathetic vision.. I can sense that you're.. ..jealous? Aw! kitty! Don't be jealous! One day, you might develope powers as wonderous as mine! ..I'm not just compensating for a feeling of social inadequacy by making up super powers.. how dare you suggest something like that mentally.. stop looking at me like that.. the voices are getting angry..

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:50:04 AM)
For me, intuition is using powers of observation and judgement mixed with sensing feelings around you to reach a decision about something. Psychic abilities are purely inputs of information through ways we currently cannot explain or reproduce. It's a bit of a fuzzy distinction, but works for me.

chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:52:47 AM)
tell your voices, my voices said hi and they want to know if your voices want to have a tea party...(i appologize...mine are female...don't shoot the messenger...) liljoy...intuition...psychic premonition...gut instinct...a message from God...whatever the cause...does it matter? if it keeps your mind, body and soul from being hurt or gets your mind body and soul to a better place...does it matter where it came from? just send a "thanks" out to whatever it was that got you there and keep moving forward....or atleast thats how i do it anyway...

CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 11:59:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross For me, intuition is using powers of observation and judgement mixed with sensing feelings around you to reach a decision about something. Psychic abilities are purely inputs of information through ways we currently cannot explain or reproduce. It's a bit of a fuzzy distinction, but works for me. I often wonder about the mental capacity of the subconscience, should it exist; if it's considerable. I do wonder if it contributes to feelings of "psychic" abilities. More empirically, though, I note people often fancy themselves as special. That they might have some special ability, aspect, or otherwise. I also note the willingness of individuals to turn away things that make the fact check, but do not make an adequate desirability check. "Psychic [visions]" are necessarily vague for the purpose of being able to be force them to math reality, in the same way religious predictions are. And, should this vagueness prove to be insurficient to make it seem like it happened, they can say it was metaphorical, or chauk it up to a "once-in-a-while mistake", or muse that it may've been entirely accurate, just that they don't understand it yet. When it comes down to it, all the observations are in line with the model that people just convince themselves that they're special in ways that they're not. (And, yes, my dear psychics reading this- I realize it's a burden on you. Oh, such a harsh burden, with so many images! This view of your 'powers' can't be true since your abilities are such a strain, responsiblity! You should just ignore this non-believer as he just can't understand the sheer truth and beauty in your abilities.)

liljoy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:00:09 PM)
surly observation, judgements and stuff can't be seperated though unless you have no prior knowlege about the thing or person or am i way off base? quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross For me, intuition is using powers of observation and judgement mixed with sensing feelings around you to reach a decision about something. Psychic abilities are purely inputs of information through ways we currently cannot explain or reproduce. It's a bit of a fuzzy distinction, but works for me.

murmur -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:02:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: liljoy This is fun :) Perhaps we just haven't come up with a way to prove these things exist yet. There was a time that we couldn't prove that cells, bacteria or sounds waves existed. Did that make them any less real? There was even a time when we couldn't prove the world was not infact flat Damn right this is fun [:D] It's also very fascinating and representative of a debate that's been made for a very long time. There's a part of mystery in us and i hope we never get to the point where we understand all about ourselves...it could get damn scary. To tsherpet - by far, i am agreeing with your points. This debate can go as far as claiming how reality works. Thing is, we dont know how it works, as humans are creatures of emotions who , by nature, alterate objectivity, we are doomed to create and make mistakes. Also, we are doomed to never know the universe we live into. That’s the magic, that’s the mystery. Talking about it doesnt solve anything per se, but it helps in elarging our views on things and perceptions. It’s better then ignoring the other’s opinion… i dont know if i believe in psychics. My father have been reading the tarot for 5 years, (i dont know if that count for something, for nobody here knows him) and have been relevant for counseling my mother and i in our lives. Guiding us as to where to go in our mind and conscience for improving our lives. As far as i know, it worked only when i wanted to listen. If i didnt listen, that wouldnt change a thing as to how my life would go. But still, it was usefull. as a child, i dreamed of my birds and grand-father’s death and both of them were dead a week later. To that, i can merely shrug and say, coincidence? feelings? does it matter? How could it change the way things are, that i am able or not to decipher feelings or other, or the future. Thing is, if you are able to feel it, could you change it? Could you want to? Why would you? Those questions are more important, i think, then the matter of knowing if i can feel things or not. The nature of humanity is more important, cause you can make changes in it, but reality? whoa. You cant touch reality. Reality is what made you in the first place. Could you change the essence of yourself? I'm only 21 and i get really excited when i think about all of those years ahead of me, trying to discover more and more about that matter...we'll never see the end of it [:D]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:03:13 PM)
Well I certainly agree that today's new agers and psychic types are finally feeling the freedom of post witch & commie burning USA and coming out loud and proud about it- sometimes to the detriment of their own cause. I detest the "indigo child" movement and the arrogant empaths who amazingly put down non-empaths as being insensitive. But that doesn't mean I don't think there are special psychic abilities. Only that having a psychic ability is no different than having soccer abilities, or mathematic abilities. They are a useful thing to enjoy and use as you see fit. The problem isn't seeing an ability as "special" but as trying to see it as "uniquely and MORE special."

KiandPhoenix -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:03:47 PM)
When I was 10 I had an accident. Due to this event I was thrust into a place where I have no choice to believe in the supernatural. I spent the last 17 years in study on the science behind these things. I don’t believe in magic, I believe in energy manipulation. Einstein said we can not time travel, but he also saw time as a curve that might be possible to view. The human mind is a vast thing that most scientists believe we don't use all of. Just because we do not know what something is doing does not mean it isn't working. Over the first 10 years I spent a lot of time with a physics teacher named Mike Brown (not the guy who discovered the new planet). We did a lot of looking into facts, and there is a lot of good solid theory, that is based on fact, regarding supernatural things. Unless you are willing to look into all science yourself, then you don't really have a leg to stand on when telling others they are wrong IMHO. Saying that psychic phenomenon is fake without exhausting all possibilities yourself is making a claim based in anything but fact. ~Ki

CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:04:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chellekitty tell your voices, my voices said hi and they want to know if your voices want to have a tea party...(i appologize...mine are female...don't shoot the messenger...) You can tell them I'll be there. Not that I like tea parties- of course not, that'd be unmanly!- just.. I couldn't disappoint such.. special.. voices. quote: ORIGINAL: chellekitty liljoy...intuition...psychic premonition...gut instinct...a message from God...whatever the cause...does it matter? if it keeps your mind, body and soul from being hurt or gets your mind body and soul to a better place...does it matter where it came from? just send a "thanks" out to whatever it was that got you there and keep moving forward....or atleast thats how i do it anyway... What if the cause is just one's own imagination, and that this imagination's adoption as part of reality causes one to adopt, by definition, insane views, causing this one to no longer be able to understand the real world? I mean, sure, they might understand a rock is still a rock (until it starts speaking to them, of course), but they now believe in a model of reality that is contrary to observation. Not that the voices in their head can't be real- they may well be actual voices in the person's head. This just doesn't mean that they're voices from outside of that person's head, which is dangerous when people start to assume that they are, which seems to be the case in the particular case of many.

ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:04:59 PM)
Well stated, CL. Basically, we each see what we want to see and filter out that which does not support our view of ourselves and our world because that inconsistency is difficult for us to process. Like, people tell me I can be a real ass, but you know, I just don't see how that could be....

liljoy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:10:50 PM)
chelle, does it matter? perhaps not but i would kinda like to understand the difference

CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 12:19:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross But that doesn't mean I don't think there are special psychic abilities. Only that having a psychic ability is no different than having soccer abilities, or mathematic abilities. They are a useful thing to enjoy and use as you see fit. What if they just don't exist? What if the world isn't so different from what it seems? People walking around, animals under foot, buildings people make.. ..what if there isn't a God? Or an afterlife- that the corpse is just a corpse? What if you can't actually talk to your lover who's overseas, or disceased, in your mind? What if lighting isn't a diety's wrath? What if rain aren't his tears? What if the future- in all its vastness- isn't something people can tell? What if empathy is just looking at a person and being able to consult experience to read their body language? What if the world is just as we observe it? Would this be so horrible for these physics, religious, or otherwise delussional to confront? It's uncommon for me to feel so bad about giving some measure of reason as to a debate like this. I realize these people, by and large, just want to feel special- like they can do something that makes them worthwhile. quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross The problem isn't seeing an ability as "special" but as trying to see it as "uniquely and MORE special." As long as they can all make eachother feel better, and not be greedy? I don't know. It's so hard, LA, to watch people embrace such insanity just to be able to feel good about themselves. I believe so strongly in seeking the truth- the powerful potential for good it has, even just via medical science and technology, that it's contrary to what I would have, to see the social environment cause otherwise potentially useful individuals to seek something akin to mental masturbation. At the same time, what if they were just happier like this? Sure, it's greedy, but why should I detract from their happiness if they're content like this and beyond making contributions at this point anyhow? I need to run to a Physic's lab- sort of late, as I always seem to be. I'm far too easily distracted. Perhaps it's best if I'm away from this. I wonder if I even belong in such a thread in the same manner in which a modern-day student wouldn't belong at an ancient Greek ceremony paying tribute to the power of Zues after seeing his lighting. They're happy believing it so.. perhaps reason just doesn't have a place here? Forgive the leaks. Time for class.

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