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domiguy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:10:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

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Anywhoooo, All I am asking is for someone to show me....I'll think of a number from one to a hundred...


81?


Yep. So what am I thinking now?


Are you fondly masturbating to the big toe?


I tend to play with jewelry...It's why I don't wear it...It might sound kind of gross...But it's in my mouth.



mnottertail -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:18:09 PM)

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liljoy...they are called filters...at the moment, i can't think of how to tell you how to apply them...i probably shouldn't be posting right now, i am recovering from a seizure...reason i am home today, knew it would be a rough day, cause i had one in my sleep (woke up walking like the re-animated dead)...but i can't access all of my brain right now...but....psychic emotional filters is what you are looking for...lol...


they need you over on the dead slave thread then. Use some of your psychic abilities and see if you can get it straightened out.
Ron



Grlwithboy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:26:44 PM)



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People confuse being intuitive to psychic ability....Ever think of a song and you turn on the radio and there it is?  It happens to everyone...Sorry to disappoint you all...But ya got nothing...You are not as special as you would like to think...You unfortunately are part of the herd as much as you try to separate yourselves....You have no special power....You have nothing...You blend into the noise of humanity...You are static...It's kinda sad.  I'm sorry to inform you of this, but it had to be done...It's all for your own good anyways...Now carry on.


I can't believe I'm saying this --  but maybe it's special and amazing *because* it happens to everyone not awful and drab because it happens to everyone.

Ok, I just threw up a little. I'm back to normal, I think.




Prinsexx -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:27:02 PM)

I'm bowing out here as the discussion feels a million miles from any sort of realm that any empath would want to be in. cruel, sarcastic and trivial.
However, the theme of psychic certainly seems to have touched a chord, resonated as they now say and stirred up some emotions.
Entanglement, epigenetics, empathy and intution on one side of the fence and skepticism (as ever) on the other....dear skepticism...always in oppoaition and always reactionary.
It's good ultimately that there's no agreement; the world would seem bland if we were all the same.
Some quite amazing people have contacted me through this thread and so it was so worth it.



chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:35:44 PM)

you know...i would think an empath of all people would not project their desires to not be around people who are sarcastic and trivial onto other empathic people (i'll conceed the cruel) but i am a sarcastic and often trivial empath...so...why would i not want to be around people like me?



liljoy -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:38:36 PM)

Chelle,
sorry to hear about your siezure. i understand they are very draining. do take care of yourself and perhaps we can discuss this further another day



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 1:40:32 PM)

I always consider it very UNempathic when an empath criticizes others and the emotions they experience (or don't)



chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 2:09:33 PM)

thanks for the concern...i am doing a lot better already...food helps...blood sugar bouncing around (especially in a diabetic who doesn't have the normal blood sugar regulating chemicals) doesn't help the seizures...i was trying to fix food when they first started...was a hard hour of seizing and reseizing there...but don't tell the doctors, they would have wanted to put me in the hospital, bastards...but don't worry, if it gets to be too much i know where the little red x is...



CuriousLord -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 2:22:51 PM)

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Would we tell a piano player he shouldn't feel special or take some measure of self identity from his abilities and expressions of self?  Why is it that because these abilities are not always physical in expression or as on demand that we criticize the notion of them having any value at all?
The difference between the piano player and the "psychic" is that one of them actually has an ability.

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And for people like me, you not believing in it or calling it insanity doesn't mean anything anyway so it doesn't matter.
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Logic tends to be useless whenever it really matters :)
I suppose these thoughts pretty much end it for me.  If someone can't actually do something, but believes that they can.. if they can't be reasonable.. what.. what is one to do, other than disregard or embrace their madness?

It's the same argument that the "9/11 Truth Movement" use.  That the alien conspiracists use.  That the religious and spiritual use.  That those who believe that they're Elvis or Nepolean use.  That it's true, because they will it so- that they can alter their own perceptions enough to make it seem true, and that this is empirical evidence.  That this evidence, even if weak, is only contradicted by the lack of more evidence, but no counter evidence; therefore, their notion, even if very weakly supported, retains support, as it isn't directly contradicted.

I can't prove someone's definately not psychic, LA.  I just know that there's no reason to believe it, and that the emotions that they experience are far more likely to be explained as consquences of psycology than something supernatural.



MsLilac -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 2:26:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx

Entanglement, epigenetics, empathy and intution on one side of the fence and skepticism (as ever) on the other....dear skepticism...always in oppoaition and always reactionary.



What is reactionary about presenting provable facts? Your very statement and the dramatic intent and sarcasm within it was reactionary.

Regardless of opinions, you have started an interesting thread, you should enjoy :)



MsLilac -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 2:28:23 PM)

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If you actively ’listen’ to what tserpet was saying, he wasn’t actually telling anyone what to believe, he wasn’t criticising specific personal beliefs, as has been claimed by a few. He concisely and coherently applied logic to the whole concept of belief/faith system, which is what psychic ability fundamentally relies on. He wasn’t claiming to be ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ just sharing proven facts. And actually used valid research to counteract claims made here, as opposed to making unsubstantiated claims, justified with belief.


He did however inply that those of us that do belive in the supernatrual have not looked at it logically. i for once have, and i still belive.

i wish you well



Thank you, and I wish you well also. I really don’t want to comment any more on this thread, as it is there for the ’believers’ to enjoy. I also quite frankly, don’t care enough about the subject. But I need to pick up on something.

To imply is to make a suggestion without directly expressing it. From what I saw, he didn’t do that. He presented facts, and evidence which were largely ignored, and passed by for self re-enforcing rhetoric. The facts are there, they speak for themselves.

I will bow out now, and leave you all to have fun, I hate being a kill joy.



LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 2:49:11 PM)


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Would we tell a piano player he shouldn't feel special or take some measure of self identity from his abilities and expressions of self?  Why is it that because these abilities are not always physical in expression or as on demand that we criticize the notion of them having any value at all?
The difference between the piano player and the "psychic" is that one of them actually has an ability.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
And for people like me, you not believing in it or calling it insanity doesn't mean anything anyway so it doesn't matter.
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Logic tends to be useless whenever it really matters :)
I suppose these thoughts pretty much end it for me.  If someone can't actually do something, but believes that they can.. if they can't be reasonable.. what.. what is one to do, other than disregard or embrace their madness?

It's the same argument that the "9/11 Truth Movement" use.  That the alien conspiracists use.  That the religious and spiritual use.  That those who believe that they're Elvis or Nepolean use.  That it's true, because they will it so- that they can alter their own perceptions enough to make it seem true, and that this is empirical evidence.  That this evidence, even if weak, is only contradicted by the lack of more evidence, but no counter evidence; therefore, their notion, even if very weakly supported, retains support, as it isn't directly contradicted.

I can't prove someone's definately not psychic, LA.  I just know that there's no reason to believe it, and that the emotions that they experience are far more likely to be explained as consquences of psycology than something supernatural.


there are some houses that do speak to you. that would change your mind that there is more there then the naked eye

http://www.hauntedhouses.com/
http://www.horrorfind.com/Haunted_Houses/

two of my fav sites



velvetears -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 3:36:28 PM)

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For me, intuition is using powers of observation and judgement mixed with sensing feelings around you to reach a decision about something.

Psychic abilities are purely inputs of information through ways we currently cannot explain or reproduce.

It's a bit of a fuzzy distinction, but works for me.


The distinction works for me too LA thanks for sharing. 

Unless you have experienced it you will never understand it and skepticism will always prevail.  It is also why i don't prefer to talk openly about it. 



Tristan -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:06:53 PM)

Interesting post.  Psychic abilities (if they exist) would seem easy enough to prove.  Simply have psychic make a prediction about something that the psychic can not know, record the results, and conduct a statistical analysis to see if the result could be random chance.  The key is having an unbiased observer record the results.  These experiment must have been done many times.  Has anyone ever seen the results of an experiment like this?

Tristan



chellekitty -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:11:26 PM)

well, sure i could have someone do that if i were a trick pony that could perform on command...but its much like peeing in front of 500 people...a few people can...most can't...have i found a simile that works yet?



SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:12:30 PM)

To any hard-core skeptic: The thing that always amazes me is that it seems that when someone just can't turn their psychic abilities on and off like some water faucet, a hard-core skeptic will usually interpret this to equate with those abilities not existing, or that they could never exist (for anyone), or that it is some kind of "proof" that nobody has psychic ability. This presumption is not IMO due to some "scientific analysis" on the skeptic's part.

Like I said before - the hard-core skeptics only want to seem to believe in "proven facts". What they neglect to realize, though - is that their precious "facts" have to come from somewhere. That "somewhere" is the realm of unproven hypotheses.

IMO, if the world was run by hard-core skeptics, we'd most likely all still be living in a cave somewhere without electricity - because there was no real reason for Thomas Edison to believe (except having a "hunch", or hypotheses) that electricity was a phenomena that might have ever been developed to the point it would literally light up much of the planet (as just one example of what I believe to be faulty reasoning on the hard-core skeptic's part).

So - I am left to wonder how a hard-core skeptic would propose to ever advance the world of "scientific fact" - since they don't believe in hypotheses - only in the realm of what has "already been proven"?

Some of them, IMO claim to be adherent only to "science" - when actually, if one peers in a bit closer at their "reasoning" - it looks (to me anyway) like "proving" anything that has not been safely re-iterated as "fact" ad nauseum, by much of the rest of humanity, is their goal.

How does this stance actually advance the realm of "science"?

- Susan



feastie -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:30:28 PM)

I cannot speak to anyone's experiences but my own.  I never believed either, until it happened to me.  Yes, it's been pointed out that it could have been simply power of suggestion.  However, I know what happened to me.  I am quite capable of discerning fact from fiction, reality from fantasy, and have a firm and practical sense of logic and yet, I still believe, I just don't believe everyone.




ArgoGeorgia -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:35:51 PM)

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IMO, if the world was run by hard-core skeptics, we'd most likely all still be living in a cave somewhere without electricity - because there was no real reason for Thomas Edison to believe (except having a "hunch", or hypotheses) that electricity was a phenomena that might have ever been developed to the point it would literally light up much of the planet.

So - I am left to wonder how a hard-core skeptic would propose to ever advance the world of "scientific fact" - since they don't believe in hypotheses - only in the realm of what has "already been proven"?

- Susan


That's just silly.  Skeptic - One who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions.  NOT someone who says everything is impossible, denies all hypotheses, etc.  We just demand proof.  We just say extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.  If Thomas Edison had said "There is this stuff called electricity that magically can make light where there is none" and THEN never came up with a light bulb, a skeptic would go, um, where is this light you so speak of?  And then they would get the answer "Well, we aren't a circus pony where we can pee on command in front of 500 people." 

If I say "I can fly by shooting fire out of me bum" to you, would you just believe me?  I'm guessing not.  You might say "Ok, really?  Wow, show me?"  And if I replied "Well, I can't fly in front of other people," would you still believe me?  Or, would you too be skeptical.  Why?  Because people can't fly by turning their ass into a jet?  I'm claiming to have an extraordinary talent that few - if any - other humans posses and fail to offer any proof whatsoever.  Much as psychics do.  No proof, they just go, well, I can, trust me.  And then if called to the carpet, they say "Well, yeah, but LOTS of other people believe it!" or "You are just a skeptic and don't WANT to believe!".  Sounds a lot like the flat-earthers, eh?

By the way - if all the world were psychics and new agers, NO science would be done.  Everyone would just stand around looking for the answers in tea leaves or the Ouija board hoping to have the truth given to them rather than actually questioning everything for the answers. 



Tristan -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:41:26 PM)

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well, sure i could have someone do that if i were a trick pony that could perform on command...but its much like peeing in front of 500 people...a few people can...most can't...have i found a simile that works yet?

 
It seems to me that performing is exactly what most psychics do.  The only reason we know about pyschics is because they perform in front of others.
 
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To any hard-core skeptic: The thing that always amazes me is the fact that when someone just can't turn their psychic abilities on and off like some water faucet, a hard-core skeptic will usually interpret this to equate with those abilities not existing, or that they could never exist (for anyone), or that it some kind of "proof" that nobody has them. This presimption is not IMO due to some "scientific analysis" on their part.

Like I said before - the hard-core skeptics only want to seem to believe in "proven facts". What they neglect to realize, though - is that their precious "facts" have to come from somewhere. That "somewhere" is the realm of unproven hypotheses.
 
I'm really curious about the data.  I would agree that no one is going to have the same level of ability at all times, but the data should show times when someone does beat the statistics of random chance. 

I used to have what appeared to be very long lucky streaks when rolling dice for backgammon.  It would have been interesting to see if those streaks were within the realm of random chance.

I also think that science is about genuine curiousity.  Its about challanging yourself to go beyond your own beliefs and biases.  This is a perfect application of science.  I have no idea what the outcome would be, but I'm sure it's been done.  The universe is an incredibly strange place.  Quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity demonstrate that without any doubt.  I'll wait to see what the data shows before deciding if there are people with psychics ability.

Tristan



SusanofO -> RE: Are you Psychic and how does this affect your relationships? (9/7/2007 4:42:00 PM)

It's actually not that silly. What is there left to even invesitgate, if one only ever wants to look at what has already been proven? IMO, scientific investigation would most likely come to a stand-still. That is my problem with hard-core skeptics - they simply refuse to acknowledge this.

There is "data" on either side, it just depends more on what someone is prone to believe, IMO, more than anything else. I could cite date until my brains fell out - and I am, betting any hard-core skeptic would still refuse to believe any of it (which is why I am not "going there"). Almost anyone here probably has access to the Internet, and can look up whatever studies they want.

That some people have psychic ability has IMO, been proven, over and over again. The problem is that hard-core skeptics don't like the "evidence" that is presented - because nobody can seem to explain why exactly it exists.

Consider this: Can you really explain why you see the world as three-dimensional?  My guess is no. When you (or anyone)have completely investigated and also understood, how things like time and space, and human senses operate, then I will be willing to listen. Until then....  

How does the fact that you see it that way, in any way completely negate the possibility some people could (and do, depending on what studies one wants to cite) very likely perceive some things that you do not? It just doesn't, IMO.

I won't argue with your right to believe what you see (or don't) or believe whatever you want.

But I do not in any way see how this negates the distinct possibility not everyone sees things that way.

- Susan



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