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Bobkgin -> Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 9:37:27 AM)

My wife was my slave.

I was the only one with whom she shared an LTR, and the only one to have owned her.

We were together for over ten years, married for most of them, parents for the last 4.5 years of them.

And then we discovered she had cancer, and that it had spread, and that her prognosis was not good.

And then she died.

My wife was an amazing slave. When we met she'd been experimenting with bdsm for a year: essentially casual hook-ups.


She'd discovered she was a "painslut". She loved pain. She explained that when she was receiving a great deal of pain, it was like a high. I told her about endorphins, and she would encourage me to use her in such a way as to generate as much endorphin as was possible within the limits of safety I adhered to.

And she could take a beating. From fishing rod to crop to cats to paddles, all in one session. She told me she loved the feeling of sitting down and experiencing the pain and recalling what she felt when she was beaten.

We did a lot of that before she was pregnant. But between her pregnancy and recovery, and the baying of our dogs the first time we went downstairs to do it again, we never got back to it.

We both missed it, but we thought this was something we could get back to eventually. Unfortunately, that time never came.


She had an ultimate fantasy involving pain. She wanted nails driven through her breasts. I explained why that was not possible without a trip to the hospital, and she could see why we couldn't do that. However, I was able to give her an alternative. With rubbing alcohol and 1" common nails, I could lay her breasts (she had huge breasts) on a board, take a small pinch of skin, stretch it out, and nail it into the board.

We did this twice over the years: the first time using eight nails a breast and the second time six.

She had to ask for each nail she got. I explained that I would not do this unless she specifically asked me to, for each nail. She found that quite challenging, but was so proud of herself when she'd asked for the final nail to complete the process of stretching her breasts out as if we were stretching raw leather. She'd watch everything that occurred closely.

We never nailed her nipples. It was something we spoke of, but not until after we'd given birth to the family we wanted. We wanted her to breast feed, and we were not sure how much damage a nipple could take and still be used for lactation. So we left it alone.


She loved oral sex, giving more than receiving. She told me she was great at it, but a little experimentation showed she had difficulty with deep throat. So we started a process that took about a year so that she might learn.

She would be extensively bound to the wooden frame of a box spring she'd brought to me. It was being discarded and she thought I might be able to turn it into a rack of some kind (which I did by removing the staples and reinforcing the corners).

She'd sit down, leaning her back against it, and I would bind her to it: wrists, arms, neck and head, her mouth agape and difficult to close, her tongue clipped and stretched out. And then I would straddle her tongue and slowly move my hips back and forth.

I remember the day she asked to do it without all the bondage. I was so proud of how far she'd come, and she was proud of how much she'd learned.


She loved breath control. Whether it was a plastic bag, a rope about her neck, my hands, or extended deep throat, she loved the feeling of helplessness she felt when she realized it was entirely up to me to let her breathe.

I recall using tape on one occassion. Taped her mouth and placed a piece of tape on the bridge of her nose such that I could pinch it and block her nose. When she was ready, I did so. Didn't take her long to need another breath, as she was in a such a state of excitement.

We didn't do it again, not because she was frightened of it, but, as she said, because it was over too quickly. She liked breath play that crept up on her.

Extended deep throat satisfied that need for her. To not be allowed to breathe except between plunges, and only permitted so many breaths per minute, she'd gradually feel the oxygen deprivation. And there were so many ways to control this. More breaths per minute, shallower plunges would restore the balance, so that this activity could be kept going almost indefinitely.

And more than a few nights it lasted an hour or more.

And after each such experience, she'd fetch a warm wet cloth and clean her drool off of me.

Sometimes, the cloth was not so warm. In fact, it was freezing. She'd look at me mischieviously and apologize when I'd jump.

We called it "Slave's Revenge". [:D]


I've many good memories of our time together, as I have good memories of our son learning to sit up, to walk, to throw a ball for the dogs, to enjoy being in a pool, to learning his shapes and colours and numbers and alphabet, to learning to talk.

He was a master with the VCR by the age of three, and loved Barney (and you really haven't lived until you've been visited by Barney every day to your young child's utter delight). We had a special "goodnight" ceremony for him. Either my wife or I were to disappear behind the curtain of his closet, while the other would say "Where's Mommy/Daddy gone?" and we'd pretend to look under books, and in drawers. Our son would laugh and then run to the closet and pull back the drape.

"There he/she is!" we'd say, and he'd laugh. Then whomever was in the closet would pick him up and bring him to the other and we'd all hug together while my wife and I would give him a kiss "mmmmmmmmmmWAAAAA" which he'd imitate. Then we'd put him in bed with Teddy and flip one cover over him "oooooBOOP" as it landed on him, covering all of him, then the next blanket and the next, and then we'd flip back the part over his face and there he'd be, smiling up with his beautiful sparkling blue eyes.

All tucked in, I'd put a kiss on my fingertips and touch his forehead and wish him sweet dreams, and tell him I love him, and as we'd walk out I'd pull the drawstring for his little music box that would play him a lullabye. We'd close the door and walk softly away.

I never knew a child who was so happy so much of the time.


Now the reason I talk about this here is because there are a few who have claimed it is "disgusting" and an "abuse of their memory" that I should talk about them at all. Indeed, some have even claimed my wife and son never existed, and that I have invented them.

I wish it were so, as I wouldn't miss them if that were the case.

But it seems to me that as I am the one who knew both of them best, the one to love them, and the one to remember them, I am in a better position to decide what is right and wrong for their memories better than any stranger who isn't even sure they existed.


Now, no one forces anyone to read what I write. If there are those who are offended by anyone mentioning their dead loved ones, they can choose not to read any further. But to claim that there is only "one true way" to discuss the dead, and that is not to discuss them at all, I am curious to see how many others subscribe to that belief.


Is a husband not to talk about his dead wife? A father not to talk of his dead son? A master not to talk of his dead slave?

When the grief was fresh, I could not talk about them at all. But now I find I am recalling all the good times, and feeling grateful to have known them and to have had the time with them I had, whereas before all I could think of was how painful it was to have lost them.

So personally I see this as a step forward for me, a step towards embracing the new life I must build for myself.

So I open the floor to opinions. I don't expect I'll have much to say in this thread, having said so much already. But if I need clarification, I'll ask.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this matter.

Robert




AquaticSub -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 9:48:24 AM)

Yes you can talk about your dead loved ones.

But this isn't a board about grief. I wouldn't view as the right place to talk about it. There are kink-friendly therapists who, I think, would be a much better place to turn to.




LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 9:53:43 AM)

those are people who do not have feelings Bob they are just media bots. driven by sub primal stupid thought process. only thing they care about is their points of view or their right of life even at someone else exspense. Kudos to you. You had something great and magical that only some of us could only dream to have




kshearsecouple -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 9:55:33 AM)

it says your human...and it made me think




IrishMist -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 9:57:44 AM)

I can't even find sympathy for you any more

You should be ashamed of youself Bobbypin...




xoxi -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:00:08 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Yes you can talk about your dead loved ones.

But this isn't a board about grief. I wouldn't view as the right place to talk about it. There are kink-friendly therapists who, I think, would be a much better place to turn to.



Agreed.




amelliagrace -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:02:10 AM)

That was a beautiful post.  Thank you.
 
-grace




Mercnbeth -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:03:21 AM)

quote:

Thank you in advance for your thoughts on this matter.


My thoughts you requested...

Of all the methods to solicit attention to a profile and solicit sex partners; the use of a dead wife and son, and the posting of sexual details with her, real or fictitious, is the most disgusting and distasteful post and I've ever read on any site - BDSM or vanilla.

...You're welcome.




amelliagrace -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:05:13 AM)

While this might not be the place for excessive, extended, public grieving, isn't the subject of coping with the loss of a long time P/partner pertinent to the life?
 
-grace




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:07:08 AM)

Yo, quick question!

If you nail a pregnant woman's tits to a board, do they like run out?  I know they squirt from the nipple when full, but ---------

Well, am I the only one?

Ron




camille65 -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:07:58 AM)

I think you have exhausted people. I'm not going to actually look but it feels like every thread you have participated in, you have felt the need to mention your family, your pain. It feels too, as if you are using the pain to find a slave/submissive.

It isn't that you cannot speak about it but that you speak of it when it doesn't even apply to the thread.

Like some have said I think you would benefit from professional help because you keep this in the forefront of everything.

*edit/addition

You joined CM less than a month ago so I genuinely do not understand why you keep the loss of your wife and child as the thing most seen by others. That is why I feel you need to heal.
I very rarely say things like I have right here and I feel badly about that but I won't delete my post.
Maybe you need to find your own identity?
You need to do something Bob, you really do.




jaxnsax -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:09:42 AM)

Greetings
While I can understand your grief, I am in agreement with Mercnbeth. This posting was tacky and shows lack of self-respect.
I looked at your previous posts and in all them one common thread is obvious. You should not be looking to replace those who you lost; doing so is unhealthy; more so because you fail to see why.
All in all, I urge you to seek the professional help that you so desperately are in need of.
I hope this day brings good humor and health to you.
jaxon




domiguy -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:09:54 AM)

***Not willing to get moderated over Bob.***




AquaticSub -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:12:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: amelliagrace

While this might not be the place for excessive, extended, public grieving, isn't the subject of coping with the loss of a long time P/partner pertinent to the life?
 
-grace


Yes it is, and the loss of a slave or master is pertinent. But Bob talks about his loss in most of his posts, which are many. He also does scene reports what they used to do. While I have the greatest of sympathy for his loss, the bottom line is that this is not a safe place for healing. I strongly feel he would be better off sharing his grief with someone trained to help.




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:15:37 AM)

I hear dead people......




wandersalone -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:17:45 AM)

I am pleased for you that you have reached the stage of being able to remember the happy times you shared with your wife and son.  With this post you have given us a lovely picture of both of them and your lives together, maybe now is the time to think about letting them respectfully retire from the boards and for you to continue on your own.




sweetNsmartBBW -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:18:15 AM)

I don't pretend to know the OP's motives here....but the thing is, nobody other than Him actually knows them either.  Telling Him that He should be ashamed of Himself, or that His post are disgusting and distasteful - why?  Death is part of life...it comes to all of us, and we all have lost loved ones...or will.  Why is His sharing the details of the life He shared with them such a horrible thing?

Yeah, maybe this is the wrong forum for it.  Then again, if that's the case- it's also the wrong place for discussions on psychics and common sense- yet both are current topics.  Perhaps, since Bob feels this is part of His ~community~, that the posts belong here- with like minded people that can appreciate the sort of relationship He had with His wife?  Sharing memories of those you love is important...and if this is where He feels comfortable sharing- so what?  How has He harmed anyone?  Why post or criticize Him for it?  If it bothers You, why not ignore it?  I just don't get it...

And no, I'm not saying He's anymore entitled to post how He feels than anyone else here.  I just can't for the life of me figure out why this is such an issue for some folks.  He went through something most of us can't imagine- of course it's going to effect His postings and His views on life.   

For the record- I'm an impartial party-  I have never talked to Him, and don't know anything beyond what I have gleemed from posts here. 

     




Bobkgin -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:19:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yo, quick question!

If you nail a pregnant woman's tits to a board, do they like run out?  I know they squirt from the nipple when full, but ---------

Well, am I the only one?

Ron


I am sorry I cannot give you an answer to that question.

During her pregnancy and recovery, we did -nothing- that would jeopardize her health or that of our son. We were extremely careful, as she had several risk factors already with respect to the pregnancy and we did not want her to lose our baby.




mnottertail -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:19:40 AM)

Make a hole!! Make a hole!!

Dead slave talking...




susie -> RE: Speaking on behalf of a dead slave ... (9/7/2007 10:19:45 AM)

I
quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65

I think you have exhausted people. I'm not going to actually look but it feels like every thread you have participated in, you have felt the need to mention your family, your pain. It feels too, as if you are using the pain to find a slave/submissive.

It isn't that you cannot speak about it but that you speak of it when it doesn't even apply to the thread.

Like some have said I think you would benefit from professional help because you keep this in the forefront of everything.


I have to agree with this. I would say that this has been brought up in every single thread even when it has nothing to do with the topic in question. I would wonder about someone that does this constantly.

I happen to live with someone that was in the same position, his wife / slave died of cancer. Not once did I ever see him put it in his profile when he was searching or bring it into a conversation with anyone. It was only when we were chatting and getting to know each other that it came up (we met online so we chatted online before meeting). His feeling was that he did not want sympathy from others nor did he want to find someone that wanted to meet him because they felt sorry for him. Of course he will never forget his wife and he will always love her but he moved on and has a different life now.

Talking about someone constantly means that you are not yet ready to move on.




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