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SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 6:40:28 PM)
A few times, first one being in Junior High against a biker although he never knew he was in my sights. Last time was a tiny .25 auto against two crack heads, they said "its cool" and turned and walked away.

TheHeretic -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 7:07:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ....i don't have anything to add to the discussion of the relative merits of various firearms, but i am curious. How many people here have had to use one in civilian life in the US? Please understand that although i, personally, have no desire to go around armed this is not meant as an anti-gun comment.....i'm just curious.......... I've ended an altercation between a roomate and his girlfriend's ex in our front yard by working the action on my Mossberg from inside the screen door. I've also blown the heads off a couple Mojave Green rattlers in that same yard (they are even harder to reason with than drug-addict house breakers).

Real0ne -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 8:26:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ....i don't have anything to add to the discussion of the relative merits of various firearms, but i am curious. How many people here have had to use one in civilian life in the US? Please understand that although i, personally, have no desire to go around armed this is not meant as an anti-gun comment.....i'm just curious.......... Used as in thwart a robbery? once. Used as in talk to the hole? once. Used as in pull the trigger to put someones lights out? not yet.

Marc2b -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 8:35:47 PM)
quote: The shotgun might be a better choice for those handgun-paranoid jurisdiction. And it's got a hell of a lot of deterrent value. I know, from personal experience (as well as the experience of others) that the "clack-clack" sound of a shotgun being pumped will send most low-lifes running. There is something about that sound that is recognizable – and ominous – to almost everyone.

Marc2b -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 8:44:39 PM)
quote: Since you are obviously inexperienced with firearms, I would strongly recommend you get into a hunter safety course/firearms handling course. Guns are not things to screw around with. Ditto. Has anyone checked out the "Darwin Awards," thread, started by MistyMenthal, in the Humor Section? There’s a good story in there on the dangers of mixing guns with idiocy. Not that I’m accusing you of idiocy, NeedToUseYou... just pointing out some of the potential dangers of gun ownership.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 9:27:53 PM)
quote: philosophy: ....i don't have anything to add to the discussion of the relative merits of various firearms, but i am curious. How many people here have had to use one in civilian life in the US? Please understand that although i, personally, have no desire to go around armed this is not meant as an anti-gun comment.....i'm just curious.......... "Had to use one"? Never. Choose to use one -- at the trap course, competing in 5-stand, competing in sporting clays, and when I used to hunt -- as often as possible. There are many uses of a firearm other than a threat. Would you ask someone with a bag of golf clubs "how often have you had to use those?" E.

thompsonx -> RE: Gun Question (9/10/2007 10:06:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ....i don't have anything to add to the discussion of the relative merits of various firearms, but i am curious. How many people here have had to use one in civilian life in the US? Please understand that although i, personally, have no desire to go around armed this is not meant as an anti-gun comment.....i'm just curious.......... philosophy: I quit shooting people a long time ago...now I carry a sling shot. It does not need a silencer,ammo is cheap and you do not have to clean it when you are done. It also holds my trousers up. thompson

InfernoMDM -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 3:09:14 AM)
Philosophy - I have only had to show it twice in my life against another person. One time I was walking at 2am (work nightshift and was off, my friend was on and we were chatting) and ended up walking down the wrong road. Backed out pretty fast after one guy pulled a knife. Next time was a near car jacking incident in another state. Come to find out the kid who came up had pointed a unloaded 22 revolver with the hammer filled down so it wouldn't shoot. When he saw two legally carrying individuals drawing firearms (we were locked between cars or would have just sped away) the kid dropped his revolver and ran, so no shots were fired. I don't carry to intimidate, and I don't carry to be agressive. I carry to defend myself, and others. This prevents another person from useing more force then I can create to hurt me and take my life or freedom.

philosophy -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 8:13:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 Would you ask someone with a bag of golf clubs "how often have you had to use those?" E. ..if they were suggesting that they were more or less necessary to protect life and limb, yes. Thanks for the answers folks...

use2 -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 9:01:04 AM)
You first need to figure out what 'used' means. Do you have to shoot someone? Do you just have to shoot? How about drawing it? Do you 'use' it if you just put you hand on it in your pocket and stay calm and polite when dealing with someone who is acting very squirrelly and aggressive? If yes to the last one, then I have used it hundreds of times. Too often a gun is only consider used if it's shot. But in reality it is used merely by being there as a last resort if being polite does not work.

philosophy -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 9:13:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: use2 You first need to figure out what 'used' means. Do you have to shoot someone? Do you just have to shoot? How about drawing it? Do you 'use' it if you just put you hand on it in your pocket and stay calm and polite when dealing with someone who is acting very squirrelly and aggressive? If yes to the last one, then I have used it hundreds of times. Too often a gun is only consider used if it's shot. But in reality it is used merely by being there as a last resort if being polite does not work. Very fair point........and i'd imagine that, to some, it gives an added confidence in the execution of the polite stage. Knowing they have a last resort.......

MstrSkyWoIf -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 2:59:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou If you don't have a lot of experience with guns, I suggest buying a pump action shotgun in the 410 or 20 gauge range. Mossberg makes a 410 pump action shotgun exactly for the purpose you mentioned. They have reasonable recoil, they are easy to operate, and they don't require a lot of maintenance. Don't buy a small caliber handgun. It takes skill to hit a target with a handgun and that skill takes constant practice. Cheap handguns like that malfunction a great deal of the time and they aren't something you want to bet your life on. When you shoot someone, you want them to go down and stay there. A injured person can still harm you and their motivation to do so is elevated in an encounter like that. Didn't even think about shotguns. I don't have any gun experience. My only thought on small caliber was that, with the laws how they are, (been looking up court cases, of people killing intruders), if I killed them, even sometimes when the criminal has a history of violence, and is on drugs, they still try to get the property owner on murder. So, at least my thoughts were, if I shot them with a small caliber, they'd probably stop, but not die. It's a fucked up world. I do like the pump action shotgun idea, it's semi-automatic, and doesn't require good aiming skills. I'll have to look at them more. Thanks. Only trouble is you stop them and don't kill them then the sue you for all your property and win in court. A police officer one time told me if you have to shoot shoot to kill dead men can not testify..... Just some food for thought. I do agree the 12 gauge is your best bet you can get a pump action that will hold up to 8 shots with a load extender. If you get a semi auto you can do the same. The best is like the ones use by law enforcement the are pump action but hold the larges load and have the biggest pattern. Mosburg and remington both have good models. If you use a hunting shotgun the pattern is relatively small at close range and then you get back onto aiming.

Casie -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 3:08:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ....i don't have anything to add to the discussion of the relative merits of various firearms, but i am curious. How many people here have had to use one in civilian life in the US? Please understand that although i, personally, have no desire to go around armed this is not meant as an anti-gun comment.....i'm just curious.......... Never had to shoot at anyone the site of one usually does the trick. Once on the way to the car after a concert someone tried to mug us, the hubby pulled it out and pointed they ran off. And once I had to grab it to prevent a friends boyfriend from entering my home until the police arrived. He beat the hell out of her she ran the block to my house. He put a brick through the glass of my screen door. He was waving a knife around trying to get in my house. I held him at gun point until the police arrived. I guess the old saying don't bring a knife to a gun fight held true that night.

Sinergy -> RE: Gun Question (9/11/2007 5:12:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: use2 You first need to figure out what 'used' means. Do you have to shoot someone? Do you just have to shoot? How about drawing it? Do you 'use' it if you just put you hand on it in your pocket and stay calm and polite when dealing with someone who is acting very squirrelly and aggressive? If yes to the last one, then I have used it hundreds of times. Too often a gun is only consider used if it's shot. But in reality it is used merely by being there as a last resort if being polite does not work. Very fair point........and i'd imagine that, to some, it gives an added confidence in the execution of the polite stage. Knowing they have a last resort....... To others it frees them to escalate the situation to lethal from the polite stage because they believe they have the upper hand. Sinergy

cloudboy -> RE: Gun Question (9/12/2007 9:45:31 AM)
You must be trying to seduce Caitlyn.

thompsonx -> RE: Gun Question (9/12/2007 10:28:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy You must be trying to seduce Caitlyn. cloudboy: Everyone wants to get into Caitlyn's knickers[;)]. thompson

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