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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:33:42 PM

Politesub53

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The problem with any of this about Clinton is that for each web site you find saying he didnt do enough, you find another saying he did all he could.

http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/binladen/clinton-refused-targeting-bin-laden.txt

The one i quoted says it was the CIA who told him the intelligence on Bin ladens where abouts wasnt accurate enough to act upon.

Clintons interview on Fox was interesting viewing as he made a very good case for himself.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9026120716999978732

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:42:37 PM

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Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.
How about President Clinton saying "yes" to his people when they told him they had Bin Laden in their sights and asked for authorization to "take him out"? Think that would that have worked?

Clinton did say yes,more than one time.When our ships launched Cruse missiles into Afghanistan,the fuck`n republicans started chanting,"NO WAR FOR MONICA!!"

Meaning they(the fuck`n republicans), were implying that Clinton was only attacked bin laden, as a distraction from the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

That`s the fuck`n input , the jerk off republicans were giving,before 9/11.What dopes they were,what dopes they are....

They,the ass hole republicans also criticized Clinton for just mentioning bin ladens name,in a speech.The douche bag republicans were saying that Clinton should not have raised bin laden`s stature,by mentioning him by name.When all Clinton was trying to do was warn us.

Hope you were "entertained" by that,katy.... Not.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:45:20 PM

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Isn't there some way to blame this all on Carter or maybe Kennedy?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:49:25 PM

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Dont they do a wonderful job dividing us and keeping us fighting "party politics"!!! lmao

read the last few posts one side is as much to blame as the other!!! and everyone is pointing fingers forgetting that we only have on party and that is the government party LMAO!

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:51:10 PM

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Isn't there some way to blame this all on Carter or maybe Kennedy?

aint that right! old indian trick, as long as we fight each other over them we are NOT fioghting them!. works every time!

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:52:51 PM

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Here`s an interesting article by an ex-CIA analyst(26 year veteran),who served under Regan,Bush 1,Clinton,and bush 2.

http://www.antiwar.com/mcgovern/

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:08:56 PM

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To be fair i think the 9/11 attack took some planning. Even if Bush had continued the hunt for Bin Laden, maybe it was already too late to prevent an attack. Having said that, maybe continuing to hunt for him would have led to info that foiled the attack. Its really impossible to be sure one way or the other.

Yeah, it seems like there are so many things that a President has to keep track of that being concerned with one terrorist organization that hadn't done something like 9/11 yet in America right away after entering office, instead of everything else, would've been irresponsible.

In a way, I sort of see Bush as a doctor who lost a pacient who made a note of a minor headache to a sudden brain anerisum (however it's spelt). I mean, sure, he had a bit of warning, but it was so vague and not exactly major that going to check for it, with all the other things his career demands, would've been wholey irresponsible.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:12:47 PM

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Editor's Note: Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden issued a statement on tape that he had nothing to do with the attacks on America and that such actions were against the teachings of Islam. Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape that would alert other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other American cities.

Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama binLaden's own mouth:

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25)

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his rold in the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake? Not many news media reported this. The "Osama" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy to be Osama. I'll just bet you didn't know that tape was a fake! It wasn't reported on CNN.

Now we have had another audio tape alleg
http://www.viewzone.com/osama.html

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:15:11 PM

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So whats the point here that our country and its defense systems completely fall on their ass until bush has time to find someone to give him a blow job in the oval office? This tops the naivity charts, sorry man.

To avoid splitting this into such little parts that it doesn't make linguistic sense..
1. No, that wasn't the point.. how did you even come to that..?
2. Why do you say "until [B]ush has time to find someone to give him a blow job in the oval office"? I thought BJ's in the White House were Clinton's stigma?
3. I'd ask you try to understand a point before commenting on it. =/
4. Why do so many of the more confused posts conclude with an apology or other arrogant remark?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:16:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

To be fair i think the 9/11 attack took some planning. Even if Bush had continued the hunt for Bin Laden, maybe it was already too late to prevent an attack. Having said that, maybe continuing to hunt for him would have led to info that foiled the attack. Its really impossible to be sure one way or the other.

Yeah, it seems like there are so many things that a President has to keep track of that being concerned with one terrorist organization that hadn't done something like 9/11 yet in America right away after entering office, instead of everything else, would've been irresponsible.

In a way, I sort of see Bush as a doctor who lost a pacient who made a note of a minor headache to a sudden brain anerisum (however it's spelt). I mean, sure, he had a bit of warning, but it was so vague and not exactly major that going to check for it, with all the other things his career demands, would've been wholey irresponsible.

To bring you up to speed....

Pre-9/11 PDB( presidential daily briefing)

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/terrorism/80601pdb.html

bin-laden determaned to strike in US...

repeat.....

bin-laden determaned to strike in US...

Ok?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:16:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
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Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.
How about President Clinton saying "yes" to his people when they told him they had Bin Laden in their sights and asked for authorization to "take him out"? Think that would that have worked?

Sounds like it could've. Did Clinton have this oppurtunity?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:17:52 PM

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CIA closes down unit that was hunting Bin Laden

RAW STORY
Published: Monday July 3, 2006

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The CIA has closed down a secret unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials said Monday, the NEW YORK TIMES reports Tuesday. Full story here; Excerpts follow.
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The terrorist tracking unit, known inside the spy agency as "Alec station," was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned to other offices within the CIA's Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

The decision is a milestone of sorts for the agency, which created the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."

The realignment reflects a view that al-Qaida is no longer as hierarchic
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/CIA_closes_down_unit_that_was_0703.html

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:18:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

quote:

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Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.
How about President Clinton saying "yes" to his people when they told him they had Bin Laden in their sights and asked for authorization to "take him out"? Think that would that have worked?

Sounds like it could've. Did Clinton have this oppurtunity?

I`ll refer you to my previous post,141

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:21:30 PM

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For Immediate Release
Apr 20, 2005 Contact: Press Office
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FBI PROTECTS OSAMA BIN LADEN’S “RIGHT TO PRIVACY” IN DOCUMENT RELEASE

Judicial Watch Investigation Uncovers FBI Documents Concerning Bin Laden Family and Post-9/11 Flights

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that fights government corruption, announced today that it has obtained documents through the Freedom of Information Act (“FOIA”) in which the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) has invoked privacy right protections on behalf of al Qaeda terror leader Osama bin Laden. In a September 24, 2003 declassified “Secret” FBI report obtained by Judicial Watch, the FBI invoked Exemption 6 under FOIA law on behalf of bin Laden, which permits the government to withhold all information about U.S. persons in “personnel and medical files and similar files” when the disclosure of such information “would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.” (5 U.S.C. § 552(b)(6) (2000))

Before invoking privacy protections for Osama bin Laden under Exemption 6, the FBI should have conducted a balancing “test” of the public's right to disclosure against the individual's right to privacy. Many of the references in the redacted documents cite publicly available news articles from sources such as The Washington Post and Associated Press. Based on its analysis of the news stories cited in the FBI report, Judicial Watch was able to determine that bin Laden’s name was redacted from the document, including newspaper headlines in the footnoted citations.

“It is dumbfounding that the United States government has placed a higher priority on the supposed privacy rights of Osama bin Laden than the public’s right to know what happened in the days following the September 11 terrorist attacks,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “It is difficult for me to imagine a greater insult to the American people, especially those whose loved ones were murdered by bin Laden on that day.”

The redacted documents were obtained by Judicial Watch under the provisions of the FOIA and through ongoing litigation (Judicial Watch v. Department of Homeland Security & Federal Bureau of Investigation, No. 04-1643 (RWR)). Among the documents was a declassified “Secret” FBI report, dated September 24, 2003, entitled: “Response to October 2003 Vanity Fair Article (Re: [Redacted] Family Departures After 9/11/2001).” Judicial Watch filed its original FOIA request on October 7, 2003. The full text of the report and related documents are available on the Internet by clicking here (Adobe Acrobat Reader required).

http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_5286.shtml

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:22:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord

Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11. I haven't seen anyone mention anything that the President should've done, within reason, that could've prevented 9/11, particularly not with such a short time in office.

I would just like to throw out that perhaps he could have taken the time to allow the Clinton administration (whose watch it did not happen on) to brief him on the threat that Al Qaeda posed to the US.

Note: The backquote in this backquote was fixed.

Didn't the majority of the preparations for 9/11, on the part of Al Qaeda, occur during the Clinton era? Additionally, weren't security forces still acting under the same methods that were followed in Clinton's era?

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
Additionally, he could have continued to fund the anti-terrorism portion of the FBI who were watching a bunch of Islamic types take flight school in the US. Instead, he cut their funding and the funding of the INS bureau to investigate why they were in flight school and the visas associated with it.

He cut funding to those investigating the terrorists that conducted 9/11? Could you cite this?

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
There, those are two examples. Let me know if these are not enough for you and I will throw a few dozen more
out.

Substantiation would do.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:29:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: RRafe

I want to forget-and quit feeding al quida.

The bastards want to change our lives-I don't want them to have the ability.

If before 9/11,bin laden had told us that he wanted to end privacy rights,and free speech rights,and habitus corpus rights,we would have said fuck you.

Imagine bin-laden telling us to torture and invade innocent nations,and kill hundreds of thousands of people,and ruin your good name in the world.

We would have told him to go screw.Well,bush has done all that to us.The terrorist won that battle.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:29:32 PM

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Editor's Note: Not many people know that, after September 11, 2001, Osama bin Laden issued a statement on tape that he had nothing to do with the attacks on America and that such actions were against the teachings of Islam. Americans were prevented from accessing this information because we were told that Osama could possibly have an embedded "secret code" in the tape that would alert other terrorists cells to "activate" and target other American cities.

Here is the transcript of what you were not allowed to hear from Osama binLaden's own mouth:

" I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25)

Later, another video tape miraculously appeared to validate his guilt in the attacks. The video tape, showing a man who was allegedly Osama bin Laden discussing and bragging about his rold in the 9-11 attacks, was shown on American television along with Arabic-English translations of the conversations. Did you know that this tape has since been recognized as a fake? Not many news media reported this. The "Osama" in the tape is actually a known Egyptian militant who is not as tall and much too heavy to be Osama. I'll just bet you didn't know that tape was a fake! It wasn't reported on CNN.

Now we have had another audio tape alleg
http://www.viewzone.com/osama.html

I went to the home site, http://www.viewzone.com/. I.. can't help but notice that they have quite a number of alien conspiracy stories, among others, on there. Would you happen to have a source of this from a site that's.. slightly more credible?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:31:56 PM

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you mean more credible than the judicial watch one that also came from there?

Hey doncha love it?

We get the no privacy act and binladen gets the complete privacy act!

Keep fighting party politics while the mice eat yo cheese!

FBI PROTECTS OSAMA BIN LADEN’S “RIGHT TO PRIVACY” IN DOCUMENT RELEASE
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=1272006

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:36:30 PM

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you mean more credible than the judicial watch one that also came from there?

Yeah.. I'm less than fond of some of the.. questionable.. sources that are often cited as support here. I guess some of the posters here get away with some pretty stupid things when citing partisan sites where readers aren't exactly offended by unsubstantiated arguments that happen to be in their favor. (Seriously, how many non-extereme partisans read these things? There's not exactly a middle ground to offend.)

But, in any case, I do have to draw the line at alien conspiracy theory sites.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 6:38:07 PM

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Didn't the majority of the preparations for 9/11, on the part of Al Qaeda, occur during the Clinton era? Additionally, weren't security forces still acting under the same methods that were followed in Clinton's era?

No and no.

Unless you are referring to going to Home Depot to purchase box cutters.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
quote:

Additionally, he could have continued to fund the anti-terrorism portion of the FBI who were watching a bunch of Islamic types take flight school in the US. Instead, he cut their funding and the funding of the INS bureau to investigate why they were in flight school and the visas associated with it.

He cut funding to those investigating the terrorists that conducted 9/11? Could you cite this?

I have previously.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy
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There, those are two examples. Let me know if these are not enough for you and I will throw a few dozen more
out.

Substantiation would do.

I have posted on this in previous posts, please avail yourself of the links I have already provided. Let me know
which source you have specific comments on or issues with and I will be happy to provide further substantiation.

Sinergy

p.s. Enjoy Your research.

p.p.s. Perhaps next time you will think twice before insulting another poster on the number of posts they have made in order to shore up your own position, and instead focus on and respond to what they are posting.

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