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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:08:49 PM   
came4U


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please excuse the last post for being from the wrong poster; i'm still getting used to the boards and their log in procedures. i'm not the brightest one on the block...


and then other people brought out the subject before I even noticed what was going on.

and now:
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i made no mistake in using two names on the same post, and i have explained the reasons for doing so. You asked a question, i explained. again, if you've got an issue with this, feel free to contact me on the other side.


make up your mind.

Are you asking me to meet you after school?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:11:01 PM   
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Yanno, to me it seemed that CuriousLord was asking a genuine questions. Yet he was given sarcastic replies. Why is that?


With respect...

His question is not genuine in my view. It's pointedly off-topic for this thread. It might be OK as a minor digression but everyone knows how polarizing the subject can be - it quickly devolves into enlightened beings sharing their wisdom with one and all being naysayed by those that wear their own rectums as hats.

So, raising that supposedly innocent question in this thread was specifically intended to derail the flow of conversation.


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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:18:21 PM   
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You ask for specifics, but it really boils down to this: the president is daily given briefings that allow him to reevaluate the changing security situation. Bush is not interested in such things; he is interested in profiteering and cronyism. If a situation can be turned into dollars for all of his buddies and offshore kickbacks for the Bush family, then Georgie sleeps soundly at night.


While I can appreciate that you may carry a distate for his personal approach to such things, you've held that George Bush was responsible for 9/11.  How?

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
What's my proof? The history of the last six years. Do the research, man. It cannot all be spoon fed to you.


So his fault in causing 9/11 is somehow related to him being, in your opinion, doing a poor job as President since then?

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
More specific than that I do not care to be at this time.


I can see why one in your position would not care to be.

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
I wasn't 14 when Shrub rose to power. I am not a genius. My girlfriend's have not tended to call me "God" or 'Lord" or whatever. My penis is normal sized. I am not a constant source of amazement even to myself.


Yes, I can see how my age, relationship and penis size are major factors in a debate how George Bush's involvement in 9/11.  I appreciate you bringing these vital important points up, and I'm particularly appreciative of you holding to your typical form of not attempting character attacks in lieu of actually making a point.

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
So clearly, you have me at a disadvantage.


Perhaps, and just perhaps.. one might be so bold as to consider that you might be unable to support your point because it may be flawed?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:24:44 PM   
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I can't tell what's going on. Green and other colored fonts are too hard for me to read so they get skipped. Along with italic posters lol. I always wonder, am I the only one who has serious trouble reading those that post in colored text??

Maybe if it were bolded or heavily enlarged I could read it. It is frustrating being unable to read stuff dang it.

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Yanno, to me it seemed that CuriousLord was asking a genuine questions. Yet he was given sarcastic replies. Why is that?
He isn't a troll, he has been here awhile and most here have spoken to him via the forum.
So why the hassle when he asked a pretty basic question?




Camille et al,

i have written in this font and colour for a very long time. it's not day glow pink, it's not brown and huge, nor is it dark blue. i've not read people complaining about any of those, although i'm sure it could have happened but i just missed it. i personally find huge bolded type offensive, almost akin to shouting, but that's just how i feel about it. i'm irish, i don't pick an offensive colour, and i've used this colour without any previous complaints for a long time. hopefully, enough said. i've even responded to posts of yours in this colour, without it being bolded or enlarged, and you seem to have welcomed the information. i am sorry if this type font and colour make things hard for you; that's not the intent.

i'm also not a troll. i've contributed in worthwhile fashion to many topics, from medical advisement to politics. i don't follow people around, i don't hassle them on the other side. and i express my opinions. again, i don't see the problem in this, but i am sure some find an issue with it. i came on this name, having had a new name made a little bit ago, as this name had more "credence" after the number of posts one had was challenged and brought up as an indication of whether one should be listened to or some such. a problem for folks? sorry about that. i do have opinions, and i'm going to express them.

if someone wants to see who i am, i made an introductory post, kinda like lucky albatross did when she switched from emerald slave. i made no pretense about who i am, nor will i do so now or in the future. go figure. if in doubt, and folks don't recall, the signature line being the same is a really big hint.

 
I have no idea why you are so angry jeez. All I said was that I can't read colored or italic fonts.

The word troll was not mentioned by me, I never said you followed people around (actually I have no idea what you are ranting about), or that you hassled people on either side, your post count, that you lacked credence, that you are a problem for people OR that I have a problem or issue with you!!!
 
All I freakin said was that colored and italic fonts are hard to read.
This however ^ I could read! So thanks. Too much squinting causes wrinkles dontchya know.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:33:02 PM   
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So his fault in causing 9/11 is somehow related to him being, in your opinion, doing a poor job as President since then?


Asked and answered. He did not heed specific security warnings - he did nothing. Do the research. This stuff is pretty well known and established.

Try googling Richard A. Clarke.

BTW, this straw man is your argument - not someone else's. Certainly, it's not my specific statement on this subject.

Nice try...


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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:42:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		sigh, I have no sympathy for someone who hijacks threads for attention from a frukn topic such as 9-11 NON sympathizers.  How selfish can ya get?

I didn't even read what you wrote girl so if you wanna beat me up after class I suggest you meet my children who are about 10 inches taller than me LOL.

Good luck with that.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:50:36 PM   
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So his fault in causing 9/11 is somehow related to him being, in your opinion, doing a poor job as President since then?


Asked and answered. He did not heed specific security warnings - he did nothing.


Alright then.  Then would you mind answering my question of, "What would you have done differently?" 

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
Do the research. This stuff is pretty well known and established.

Try googling Richard A. Clarke.


I'm afraid classes keep me a bit pinned for the moment, and that researching an individual to allow someone else an attempt at supporting their point, without having to do it themselves, would be a poor use of my time.  Would you mind telling me the points instead of pointing me at a haystack to find the specific needle with this point?

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
BTW, this straw man is your argument - not someone else's. Certainly, it's not my specific statement on this subject.


What is my argument, and how is it a "straw man"?

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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro
Nice try...


You're still of angry character?

Edit:  Corrected the position of a quote tag.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:54:12 PM   
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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 12:55:55 PM   
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no.


Thank you for this productive discussion.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 1:10:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro

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ORIGINAL: camille65
Yanno, to me it seemed that CuriousLord was asking a genuine questions. Yet he was given sarcastic replies. Why is that?


With respect...

His question is not genuine in my view. It's pointedly off-topic for this thread. It might be OK as a minor digression but everyone knows how polarizing the subject can be - it quickly devolves into enlightened beings sharing their wisdom with one and all being naysayed by those that wear their own rectums as hats.

So, raising that supposedly innocent question in this thread was specifically intended to derail the flow of conversation.




Well I did think it was a genuine question dang it!

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 2:22:11 PM   
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Alright then.  Then would you mind answering my question of, "What would you have done differently?" 


.....before or after 9/11? Some have suggested a number of things that could, potentially, have prevented 9/11.....however hindsight is always 20/20. As for the aftermath i would have sorted out Afghanistan properly before opening up what to many seems a redundant second front on this alleged war on terror. Also i would not have traded so many personal liberties for a dubious security advantage. Finally i would never have gone down the gunatanamo route of highly dubious justice. To suggest, as Bush has done, that justice can be defined differently depending on what nationality you are is clearly an ethical error. Ethical errors such as that only give comfort and support to terrorists.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 4:32:04 PM   
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Alright then.  Then would you mind answering my question of, "What would you have done differently?" 


.....before or after 9/11? Some have suggested a number of things that could, potentially, have prevented 9/11.....however hindsight is always 20/20.


Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.  I haven't seen anyone mention anything that the President should've done, within reason, that could've prevented 9/11, particularly not with such a short time in office.

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As for the aftermath i would have sorted out Afghanistan properly before opening up what to many seems a redundant second front on this alleged war on terror. Also i would not have traded so many personal liberties for a dubious security advantage. Finally i would never have gone down the gunatanamo route of highly dubious justice. To suggest, as Bush has done, that justice can be defined differently depending on what nationality you are is clearly an ethical error. Ethical errors such as that only give comfort and support to terrorists.


You have some neat ideas here.  To avoid completely losing the thread, I'm going to leave it at this.  Still, it could make a neat thread if it doesn't attract too many "I hate Bush" replies in place of logical arguments.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 4:55:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		To be fair i think the 9/11 attack took some planning. Even if Bush had continued the hunt for Bin Laden, maybe it was already too late to prevent an attack. Having said that, maybe continuing to hunt for him would have led to info that foiled the attack. Its really impossible to be sure one way or the other.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 4:58:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to know why the Saudi's have gotten away without any sanction when fully 80% of the hijackers were Saudi nationals?

Hey, didn't I read somewhere that the majority of outside terrorists in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia, too?

Some might suggest that we invaded the wrong nation when we went into Iraq....



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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:03:43 PM   
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To be fair i think the 9/11 attack took some planning. Even if Bush had continued the hunt for Bin Laden, maybe it was already too late to prevent an attack. Having said that, maybe continuing to hunt for him would have led to info that foiled the attack. Its really impossible to be sure one way or the other.



why would bush hunt sonny boy when he was having dinner with mommy and daddy that very same day?

oh and that is in american media btw LOL

I mean like ya all want good sources and ya all want to listen to american media well that was in american media or do you all pick and choose what to believe from american m,edia and anything against obl you hear and anything against the admin you do not?  whats up with that?






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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:09:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CuriousLord
Alright then.  Then would you mind answering my question of, "What would you have done differently?" 


.....before or after 9/11? Some have suggested a number of things that could, potentially, have prevented 9/11.....however hindsight is always 20/20.


Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.  I haven't seen anyone mention anything that the President should've done, within reason, that could've prevented 9/11, particularly not with such a short time in office.

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ORIGINAL: philosophy
As for the aftermath i would have sorted out Afghanistan properly before opening up what to many seems a redundant second front on this alleged war on terror. Also i would not have traded so many personal liberties for a dubious security advantage. Finally i would never have gone down the gunatanamo route of highly dubious justice. To suggest, as Bush has done, that justice can be defined differently depending on what nationality you are is clearly an ethical error. Ethical errors such as that only give comfort and support to terrorists.


You have some neat ideas here.  To avoid completely losing the thread, I'm going to leave it at this.  Still, it could make a neat thread if it doesn't attract too many "I hate Bush" replies in place of logical arguments.



So whats the point here that our country and its defense systems completely fall on their ass until bush has time to find someone to give him a blow job in the oval office?   This tops the naivity charts, sorry man.






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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:11:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Real...... Oh for the days when the media wasnt so political. Nowadays we either have media spouting the agenda of its owner, or reporters doing articles and features slanted to meet their own political views.

Anyone bringing out an unbiased newspaper or TV station would make a fortune.

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:14:32 PM   
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Hi Real...... Oh for the days when the media wasnt so political. Nowadays we either have media spouting the agenda of its owner, or reporters doing articles and features slanted to meet their own political views.

Anyone bringing out an unbiased newspaper or TV station would make a fortune.



personally i prefer the greates bias on both sides because that way i know the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Nothing worse than bipartisonship.


(oh btw i have a vid that is fucking unreal.that as soon as i am done processing it for my personal collection I will post it to the tyranny thread)   Speaking of media and fake!!!  LOL





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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:15:36 PM   
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Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.
How about President Clinton saying "yes" to his people when they told him they had Bin Laden in their sights and asked for authorization to "take him out"? Think that would that have worked?

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RE: 9/11 non-sympathisers - 9/12/2007 5:30:47 PM   
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Yeah, I was looking for things to prevent 9/11.  I haven't seen anyone mention anything that the President should've done, within reason, that could've prevented 9/11, particularly not with such a short time in office.
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I would just like to throw out that perhaps he could have taken the time to allow the Clinton administration (whose watch it did not happen on) to brief him on the threat that Al Qaeda posed to the US.

Additionally, he could have continued to fund the anti-terrorism portion of the FBI who were watching a bunch of Islamic types take flight school in the US.  Instead, he cut their funding and the funding of the INS bureau to investigate why they were in flight school and the visas associated with it.

There, those are two examples.  Let me know if these are not enough for you and I will throw a few dozen more
out.

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