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samboct -> RE: Moveon.org's Ad Mocking Petraeus (9/12/2007 2:30:59 PM)
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"I believe the biggest error the President made was not being as uncivilized as our adversaries. Radical Islam dictates the terms of this war - its dirty, our opponents don't wear uniforms, and have no "home base" recognized in the world. The powers that be in the 'West' have the honest and forthright position of Radical Islam in front of them in the face of the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. His clear goal is to develop nuclear weapons and use them; first on Israel and then the West, the US in particular. I've said many times, President Ahmadinejad should be a role model for US politicians because regardless of criticism he's stayed focused on this goal.
President Bush's weakness is that he tried to placate his expected critics and as a result the US effort died by countless paper cuts. He abused the men under his command by not knowing that a traditional 'civilized' victory was impossible with a uncivilized enemy and indigenous people who place no value on the democracy the President and his administration established as a goal. The President's stubbornness and his weakness and fear of speaking directly and forthright as compared to President Ahmadinejad illustrates both why we've already lost in the Iraq battle and why I fear, without a change in that attitude, we can lose the Radical Islamic war. "
Oh, so let's see. Saying the Geneva convention doesn't apply to terrorists so we can waterboard them, cause permanent physical damage, and humiliate them in ways that if these measures were done to our own troops, would be decried as inhumane, throwing out habeus corpus and wiretapping our own populace, doesn't count as sinking low enough? We've already shot plenty of women and children- should our troops be told to start raping the ones that they feel like? What exactly do you hope to accomplish- make sure that the remaining 35 Iraqis who actually thought the US was trying to do them a favor are pissed off as well?
Your argument that we have a wonderful example in the President of Iran of Radical Islam just plays into the terrorists hands. Rather than catch Osama Bin Laden, the acknowledged leader and attacker of the US- we dethrone Gaddamn Hussein- but now you want to go after Pres. Ahmadinejad? Basically, it's all towelheads look alike to you, so it doesn't matter which one we beat up on- they're all the same- right? This type of thinking is exactly what Osama Bin Laden hoped to accomplish, and boy, you and this country fell for his move hook, line and sinker.
If you think the US effort died by 1,000 paper cuts, you haven't been paying attention to what's going on. If the only tool you've got is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Well, using military force in Iraq was the wrong thing to do. You gave Bush, Cheney et al a free pass when they decided 10 years later that invading Iraq and deposing Gaddamn was a good idea- but they never backed it up. Where were their studies (Clinton et al showed it would be a bad idea) that showed that the US could actually stabilize the region- WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO READ OR SPEAK THE FUCKING LANGUAGE? Where were the people trained to take over the services needed like power companies or phone companies? How about banks? Bush, Cheney et al. didn't have a clue, and it was the idiots in Washington and folks like you who believed them that made this mess possible. So odds are we're going to get into another mess in this part of the world until you look yourself in the mirror and take some responsibility for your actions. Pretty soon our options are only going to be to nuke them or let them do what they want, because the rest of the world isn't going to listen to us, and we can't afford to play policemen on the permanent basis that Bush seems to think is inevitable.
Sam
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