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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 11:14:21 AM   
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Here is a question for you, how would you confirm the identity of the Antichrist?


"By their works ye shall know them"

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 11:20:10 AM   
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easy,

his name starts with B, ends in H
and has US in the middle. 

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 12:17:43 PM   
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First we would need to know who the first two were supposed to be.


I believe according to nostrodomous it was Napoleon, and Hitler.



How did nostradamus name Napoleon and Hitler when he was born and died centuries before they were even born?
Or do you mean that you believe that according to his teachings and writings this is who you personally, are assuming them to be?
 
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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 12:28:15 PM   
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How did nostradamus name Napoleon and Hitler when he was born and died centuries before they were even born?
Or do you mean that you believe that according to his teachings and writings this is who you personally, are assuming them to be?


*see the recent thread on psychics.

Any ideals of an anti-christ suggest that he would be a power entity.  I disbelieve this.  Christ was a simple man, the simple man can get a lot accomplished (by vote, peer pressure, etc).  I don't know why most believe that the anti-christ is going to be (or was) someone in our history books.  The devil himself, although vain, is quite capable to enducing havok as a low level craftsman as he does as a president or other such world leader.

The whole concept of Christ is that he influenced the many by being of little influence and attention as possible.  Wouldn't or couldn't the anti-christ be the same?

Assasins of leaders, the Lincolns, the Kennedys the Martin Luther Kings.  Those are the larger steps in reducing goodness.  The smaller step would be to achieve greatness only to fail miserably by very common sins that the devil himself has become bored with. 

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 12:44:09 PM   
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came4U -
I do agree to an extent - Antichrist is defined as the opposite to christ - therefore that could mean as you say that he would be of the same stature, yet use his works to move in the opposing direction.
However, it could also mean he is the complete opposite to christ, therefore - that would make the antichrist a powerful man, in opposite to christs simpleness.  I haven't come to a firm decision on that as yet.
 
Personally I don't believe Hitler was the second.  Napolean - bah... that one I sit on the fence with but again, no firm evidence.  And as much as I would love it to be Bush, I think that would be too much wishfull thinking!
 
Even when people mention Saddam or Osama as being viable subjects, they fail purely on the whole against god point... because they are for god - even if it is in their own subjective way.
 
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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 1:18:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Twicehappy2x

First we would need to know who the first two were supposed to be.


I believe according to nostrodomous it was Napoleon, and Hitler.



How did nostradamus name Napoleon and Hitler when he was born and died centuries before they were even born?
Or do you mean that you believe that according to his teachings and writings this is who you personally, are assuming them to be?

Thanks in advance.
the.dark.


His quatrains seem to point to them. Nostradamus even refers to Hitler as Histler...pretty darn close. I don't know how he could have known. And personally I really don't have a stance on it. However alot of experts agree thats what he ment. I suppose without ever meeting him you can't know. There was a great 2 part series on the history channel about him.  However I much perfer Edgar Casey

Oh here hope this helps breaks down the Nostradamus predictions for the tree anti-christ

    Throughout Nostradamus' quatrains he speaks of three powerful and tyrannical leaders that he calls anti-Christs.  He said they would lead their people through reigns of terror after first seducing them with promises of greatness  (Guentte).  Napoleon is thought to have been the first of these anti-Christs.  Of Napoleon's rise to power and years as Emperor Nostradamus wrote:

    An Emperor shall be born near Italy.
     Who shall cost the Empire dear,
     They shall say, with what people he keeps company
     He shall be found less a Prince than a butcher. Napoleon, who was considered a butcher even by his supporters, certainly cost the Empire dearly in both manpower and political
strength  (Roberts 29).      From a simple soldier he will rise to the empire,
     From the short robe he will attain the long.
     Great swarms of bees shall arise. After becoming Emperor, Napoleon adopted the beehive as his imperial crest  (Ward 297).  Some scholars say that Nostradamus was referring to Napoleon's destruction of Moscow when he wrote:      A great troop shall come through Russia.
     The destroyer shall ruin a city. Napoleon's forces drove too far and got trapped in the Russian winter  (Guentte).  The following verse resembles what could have been Napoleon's retreat across the icy part of Russia.      The rear guard will make defense.
     The exhausted ones will die in the white territory.  (Guentte) Nostradamus made other predictions of Napoleon's fate:      The great Empire will soon be exchanged for a small place.
     Which will soon begin to grow.
     A small place of tiny area in the middle of which
     He will come to lay down his scepter.  (Reader's Digest 513)      The captive prince, conquered, is sent to Elba;
     He will sail across the Gulf of Genoa to Marseilles.
     By a great effort of the foreign forces he is overcome,
     Though he escaped the fire, his bees yield blood by the barrel.  (Ward 311) Napoleon was exiled to the small island of Elba but escaped for 100 days.  After a defeat at Waterloo he relinquished all power for exile on tiny St. Helena  (Reader's Digest 513).     The second anti-Christ Nostradamus wrote about was "a man stained with murder...the great enemy of the human race...one who was worse than any who had gone before...bloody and inhuman."  Experts are in agreement that the sixteenth century prophet was referring to Adolf Hitler  (Guentte).      Out of the deepest part of the west of Europe,
     From poor people a young child shall be born,
     Who with his tongue shall seduce many people,
     His fame shall increase in the Eastern Kingdom. Adolf Hitler, born in Austria of poor parents, with his knowledge of mob psychology and powers of speech, was successful in seducing many people , even in the Eastern Empire of Japan  (Roberts 88).  In some quatrains Nostradamus refers to Hitler as the child or sometimes captain  of Germany.  Here are two examples:      He shall come to tyrannize the land.
     He shall raise up a hatred that had long been dormant.
     The child of Germany observes no law.
     Cries, and tears, fire, blood, and battle.      A captain of Germany shall come to yield himself by false hope,
     So that his revolt shall cause great bloodshed.  (Guentte) All of these images certainly describe Adolf Hitler.  After seducing his people, Hitler ignored all treaties and began a massive invasion of Europe  (Guentte).  In the following verse, some experts say that Nostradamus actually referred to Hitler by name but missed by one letter.      Beasts wild with hunger will cross the rivers
     The greater part of the battlefield will be against Hister. Finally, Nostradamus sums up Hitler's life and even predicts the fact that his death in Berlin in 1945 would never be satisfactorily
confirmed:      Near the Rhine from the Austrian mountains
     Will be born a great man of the people, come too late.
     A man who will defend Poland and Hungary
     And whose fate will never be certain  (Reader's Digest 515).     According to Nostradamus, the first two anti-Christs were extremely evil, and history has shown this to be so; however, Nostradamus speaks of a third anti-Christ who is more hideous than all the others combined.  Some say Sadaam Hussein, the dictator from Iraq, could be this evil tyrant.  Others say that he has not yet appeared.  What does Nostradamus say about this third anti-Christ?  First, Nostradamus tells us he will come from the Middle East.      Out of the country of Greater Arabia
     Shall be born a strong master of Mohammed...
     He will enter Europe wearing a blue turban.
     He will be the terror of mankind.
     Never more horror. Here, Nostradamus says that a man from Greater Arabia will lead his forces on an invasion through Europe.  This invasion will start a third world war that will be far worse than all the other wars put together  (Guentte).  When will all this take place?  In one quatrain Nostradamus gives us an exact date in which the war will be well under way.      In the year 1999 and seven months
     From the sky will come the great King of Terror.
     He will bring back to life the King of the Mongols;
     Before and after war reigns. Nostradamus predicts  the war will begin shortly before the year 1999  (Roberts 191).  He also tells us how long the war will last.      The war will last seven and twenty years.  (Guentte)     Nostradamus says that the war will be so terrible that the world will come face to face with final annihilation.  Here, he implies that the war might involve some kind of horrible weapon, possibly nuclear.  Nostradamus tells what the first target will be.      The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
     Fire approaches the great new city. In this phrase, Nostradamus refers to a great city in the new world of America near forty-five degrees latitude.  Experts agree this could only be New York.      By fire he will destroy their city,
     A cold and cruel heart,
     Blood will pour,
     Mercy to none.  (Guentte)     Although Nostradamus 's predictions for our future sound frightening he does give us some hope by telling us how this third world war will end.  He says it will end as a result of an unexpected alliance.      When those of the Northern Pole are united,
     In the East will be great fear and dread...
     One day the two great leaders will be friends;
     Their great powers will be seen to grow.
     The New Land will be at the height of its power:
     To the man of blood the number is reported.

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 1:43:55 PM   
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Thanks Casie
I just wanted to understand your original statement.
 
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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 2:26:27 PM   
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According to Nostradamus there will be a third Antichrist.I wonder if we already know who he is and just don't realize it yet.


..i nominate Ron.....

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 3:39:44 PM   
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http://www.nostradamus-repository.org/myths1.html

http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/predict.htm

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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 3:41:39 PM   
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Johnny Rotten is the anti-christ,he said so himself.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 9/12/2007 3:42:37 PM >


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RE: The third Antichrist - 9/12/2007 5:53:09 PM   
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Here i thought our once again lost forum God of Mischief, Loki aka FukinTroll was the Antichrist.

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