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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 10:24:50 AM   
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yes it was  ...and so rightly true - the US (actually CIA) has privately funded terrorists, wars and regimes to turn foreign policy to its advantage. no matter how much dubya calls Saddam or Bin Laden "evil", the US has funded the money to support their activities.

You know I don't know if you believe yourself or not.  In all honesty I don't think you have a leg to stand on.  It seems you are resighting the same crap that is put out over and over.  Not that terrorism hasn't been sponsered either overtly or inadverntaly ball all said nations.  However the only claim I have heard is the Afganistan BS about the US, and thats the biggest load of shit ever.
Look if your so right you will have information.  If you dump out the US funding the Afgan war, then I suggest you read Charlie Wilson's War.


There is a vast wealth of information about the US support for Iraq during the Iran Iraq war and Iraq was a terrorist state was it not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war



Actually no, its a Nation, and yes it might not be a nation we should have supported or a regime, but it defiantly wasn't a terrorist organization.  No one in the political science department would ever agree with that train of thought, even if they were so far left they couldn't see the right over the horizen.  If you notice not once is terror or terrorism brought up in your link.

Please try again.



It wasn't me that called Iraq a terrorist state was it?

The way the US government seems to work is that it finds states to oppose and labels them states that support terrorism. It seems its only terrorism if it’s a child in your nation being blown to bits right? Terrorism as a posed to what? Someone signed a piece of paper somewhere in your government so it can act to attack another government/organisation? Maybe UBL signed some bit of paper in his organisation to sanction the attacks in the US it doesn’t make it right of lawful. Don’t hide behind semantics and recognise that we have all made errors of judgement. You’d have to be an idiot to not make the obvious link that the people you now fight in Iraq are the ones that have lost their power in that country, people you now say are terrorists but were once part of that government. You’d have to be an idiot not to make the link that the people your government supported in the cold war in Afghanistan are now the ones you fight in that country and label terrorists.

Regime/terrorist organisation. That is a very grey area in my mind, made greyer by western governments.


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 11:34:23 AM   
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If you can prove me wrong and it doesn't come from a liberal only website, or some other BS (no the liberals aren't more right then the republicans and vice versa) then by all means teach me.  I truely would be interested. 



The actual report has not been published by the CIA but there are many referrals to it in the media if you google al qeada + 'stronger than ever'

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/07/post_16.html

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/71107-intelligence-report-al-qaeda-regrouped-in-pakistan-stronger-than-ever/

However, the strength of al qeada is a mute point since there is no organisation called al qeada, al qeada being an umbrella term invented in Washington to cover a host of Islamic terrorist groups, bin Laden in Afghanistan just being one of them.

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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 1:06:18 PM   
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If you can prove me wrong and it doesn't come from a liberal only website, or some other BS (no the liberals aren't more right then the republicans and vice versa) then by all means teach me.  I truely would be interested. 



The actual report has not been published by the CIA but there are many referrals to it in the media if you google al qeada + 'stronger than ever'

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/07/post_16.html

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/71107-intelligence-report-al-qaeda-regrouped-in-pakistan-stronger-than-ever/

However, the strength of al qeada is a mute point since there is no organisation called al qeada, al qeada being an umbrella term invented in Washington to cover a host of Islamic terrorist groups, bin Laden in Afghanistan just being one of them.


Didnt read your web sites but what you said is bang on!

Only the names/lables change to protect the guilty!


Al-Qaeda: A CIA protégé
Edited 11 April 2007
Franklin Freeman
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The Breeding-Ground and Birth of al-Qaeda The USA, via the CIA, originally backed the Islamic guerrilla resistance against the Marxist regime and Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the late 1970s and 1980s. Its efforts focused increasingly on a hardline faction which was to spawn al-Qaeda in 1987-88. ...
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured in at least US $6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin [in Afghanistan]. Other western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more. ... Washington's favoured mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. ... Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction. [Norm Dixon, "How the CIA created Osama bin Laden" (autumn 2001)]

As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow's invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar ["Services Office"] — the MAK — which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war. What the CIA bio[graphy] conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan's state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA's primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow's occupation. ... [Michael Moran, "Bin Laden comes home to roost", MSNBC, 24 Aug. 1998]

In 1986, early in Ronald Reagan's second term as President, the US effort was stepped up ... Milt Bearden was the CIA's station chief in Pakistan's capital Islamabad in 1986-89; as such he oversaw the agency's efforts to back the mujaheddin. He later said, "The CIA does not recruit Arabs. ... There were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight." And the CIA denied any direct contact with bin Laden.
(Steve Coll, Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan and Bin Laden from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 (Penguin, 2005 edn), pp.87, 147, 208; Peter L Bergen, Holy War, Inc: Inside the Secret World of Osama bin Laden [Weidenfield & Nicholson, London, 2001], pp.70-71) But J. Michael Springmann, head of the non-immigrant visa section at the "CIA-dominated" US consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, in 1987-88, said he learned that the CIA had a "program to bring people to the United States for terrorist training, people recruited by the CIA and its asset Usama bin Laden, and the idea was to get them trained and send them back to Afghanistan to fight the then Soviets." "Their nationalities for the most part were Pakistani, Palestinian, Syrian, Lebanese." These "recruits without backgrounds" were given visas over Springmann's protests.
(Transcript of Springmann interview, Fox TV, 18 July 2002, Center for Cooperative Research; transcript of Springmann interview with CBC, 3 July 2002, 9/11 Review )
The MAK, headed by the Palestinian-Egyptian Abdullah Azzam in conjunction with bin Laden, was based in Peshawar, Pakistan. Numerous branches were established in the USA under the name of al-Khifa. The first was set up in Tucson, amid the large Arab community there, in 1986. The 9/11 Commission's Report later noted that "A number of important al Qaeda figures attended the University of Arizona in Tucson or lived in Tucson in the 1980s and early 1990s". The largest branch of al-Khifa was in Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue, New York (in or next to the Farouq Mosque). Other branches were in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and elsewhere. Officially known as the al-Khifa Refugee Center and the associated Afghan Refugee Services, the Brooklyn centre provided the interface for "Operation Cyclone", the American effort to support the mujaheddin. The organization became known as the "Services Office", after its Peshawar original, and worked to raise funds and train recruits for the war effort. Azzam is believed to have visited from time to time, and bin Laden was numbered among the financial supporters. Al-Khifa had a training camp in Connecticut, where "Recruits received brief paramilitary training and weapons induction, according to evidence in [subsequent terrorist] trials". Several former members of the "active service" of the CIA were employed there as "expert consultants". (Andrew Marshall, "Terror 'blowback' burns CIA: America's spies paid and trained their nation's worst enemies", Independent on Sunday [UK], 1 Nov. 1998; Steve Coll, Ghost Wars (Penguin, 2005 edn), p.155; 9/11 Commission Report, chapter 2, p.58 [HTML version]; ibid, chapter 7, p.226 [HTML version]; Richard Labévière, Dollars For Terror [Algora, 2000; translation of Les Dolleurs de la Terreur, Grasset, 1999], pp.223-4)
In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques, (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built "training camps", some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them. These camps, now dubbed "terrorist universities" by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers. ... Al Qaeda (the Base), bin Laden's organisation, was established in 1987-88 to run the camps and other business enterprises. It is a tightly-run capitalist holding company — albeit one that integrates the operations of a military force and related logistical services with `legitimate' business operations. [Norm Dixon, "How the CIA created Osama bin Laden" (autumn 2001)]


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 1:16:18 PM   
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The CIA and Drugs Just say "Why not?" by William Blum

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/CIADrugs_WBlum.html

More:

Drug mafia, CIA blamed for sacking of Afghan governor
by Devlin Buckley
Global Research, January 6, 2007 Online Journal - 2007-12-18
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In a country flooded with narcotics traffickers and corrupt government officials, one of Afghanistan’s few remaining ‘clean’ governors, Mohammed Daud, has been removed from his position, and many are blaming the drug mafia and the CIA for his abrupt dismissal. Daud was appointed at the request of the British government in order to oversee Helmand province, the country’s largest opium producing region. The former governor of Helmand, Sher Muhammad Akhunzada, whom Daud replaced earlier this year, has been widely implicated in the drug trade. Contrary to Akhunzada, “British officials regarded Mr Daud as the cleanest governor in Afghanistan and hoped that his extensive experience in development would help to win over
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUC20070106&articleId=4358


and more:

Western Vietnam and Eastern Cambodia had some opium fields. It was widely alleged among various soldiers-turned-antiwar protesters that the CIA was involved in smuggling this opium to heroin producers in the United States at considerable profit. The book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia written by Alfred W. McCoy, a professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison claims to provide evidence of the drug trafficking. The book discusses the alleged use of opium to fund covert operations done by the CIA in Vietnam. According to Dr. McCoy, th

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking


more


The Real Drug Lords
A brief history of CIA involvement in the Drug Trade
by William Blum

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/blum1.html


only 2 million hits on the subject



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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 1:18:44 PM   
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we are the creators of our own monsters.  We train them, we instal them, when they no longer serve our needs we take em out make a big drama out of it so that people give up a few more rights each time, but not to worry soon we wont have any to give up anyway.


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 3:18:05 PM   
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we are the creators of our own monsters.  We train them, we install them, when they no longer serve our needs we take em out make a big drama out of it so that people give up a few more rights each time, but not to worry soon we wont have any to give up anyway.


RealOne - for some reason you think that a site dedicated to "exposing" US injustices will have credible evidence, and that you should follow it.  Look there is a reason why there is NON Party affiliated think tanks and groups.  If I turn on talk radio and listen to say Rush all day I would think the president was the best president ever correct?  You are pulling and in all honesty what we call "conspiracy theories."

You are more then entitled to believe that the US would do terrible things, as it has messed up before by our government.  However when you go along trying to put forth that theory's and thats all they really are, because most of there facts are half assed assumptions, that BS. 

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/  - Please read the top of that page.  Maybe the US is creating a global police state, but I seriously am going to call the BS card on that.

Global Research - Come on yeah thats about as fair and balanced as ummm Fox News.

Wiki - Note the words alleged, and yes this is important, because many people allegedly see ghost aliens etc, that would otherwise seem credible.  People have claimed tons of things throughout history its proof that is needed.  Yes there s proof the CIA has done bad shit but please check your courses.

serendipity AKA Steven Blum - claimed specialized knowledge of the CIA due to hi involvement with a ex-CIA operative, and hes a self proclaimed socialist.  Maybe he is right on the money with his theories, but for now thats all he has is suposision, and a bit of educated guessing.  This is what we call a poor source unless we talking about one side of the story, or a groups political beliefs.

Please understand sometimes major news organizations don't report things, or a credible source will drop the ball.  However you have shown that you subscribe to, and are willing to accept only one side of a multifaceted story. 

Please do your homework.


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 3:24:01 PM   
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If you can prove me wrong and it doesn't come from a liberal only website, or some other BS (no the liberals aren't more right then the republicans and vice versa) then by all means teach me.  I truely would be interested. 



The actual report has not been published by the CIA but there are many referrals to it in the media if you google al qeada + 'stronger than ever'

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/07/post_16.html

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/71107-intelligence-report-al-qaeda-regrouped-in-pakistan-stronger-than-ever/

However, the strength of al qeada is a mute point since there is no organisation called al qeada, al qeada being an umbrella term invented in Washington to cover a host of Islamic terrorist groups, bin Laden in Afghanistan just being one of them.


Not to happy with the thinonthesethings guys,but washington post goes back and forth.  I see where you are coming from but several other sources either disagree, or are indetermed on the subject.

As most of you will realize a crideble threat can be had from 2-5 people and thats generally the best way to oganize a terror cell.  However the leaders/trainers have been seriously disrupted, and continue to be at less of a capscity then previously.  This doesn't mean numbers aren't on a rise, but skilled professionals means less of a effective chance. 

Get my drift?  Both sides of this story are theortical at best, although I think when you take the head guys out, as seen in other terror organizations, you have a pretty signifcant drop in sucessful operations for several years. 

However I do see where your coming from, and although I think your wrong I can see where you get that impression on number base alone.

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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 4:01:40 PM   
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you're such a sheeple.

since you don't believe that the US govt doesn't have its hand in the till issuing guns, missiles, money, and troop support to terrorists, are you absolutely sure the US is truly looking to capture Bin Laden? don't you believe everything the president and public officials tell you about the "war"?

need to free your mind, junior, and don't take everything for face value - not everything is classified ...it's not unAmerican to question your public officials.


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 4:05:23 PM   
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we are the creators of our own monsters.  We train them, we install them, when they no longer serve our needs we take em out make a big drama out of it so that people give up a few more rights each time, but not to worry soon we wont have any to give up anyway.


RealOne - for some reason you think that a site dedicated to "exposing" US injustices will have credible evidence, and that you should follow it.  Look there is a reason why there is NON Party affiliated think tanks and groups.  If I turn on talk radio and listen to say Rush all day I would think the president was the best president ever correct?  You are pulling and in all honesty what we call "conspiracy theories."

You are more then entitled to believe that the US would do terrible things, as it has messed up before by our government.  However when you go along trying to put forth that theory's and thats all they really are, because most of there facts are half assed assumptions, that BS. 

http://www.geocities.com/libertystrikesback/  - Please read the top of that page.  Maybe the US is creating a global police state, but I seriously am going to call the BS card on that.

Global Research - Come on yeah thats about as fair and balanced as ummm Fox News.

Wiki - Note the words alleged, and yes this is important, because many people allegedly see ghost aliens etc, that would otherwise seem credible.  People have claimed tons of things throughout history its proof that is needed.  Yes there s proof the CIA has done bad shit but please check your courses.

serendipity AKA Steven Blum - claimed specialized knowledge of the CIA due to hi involvement with a ex-CIA operative, and hes a self proclaimed socialist.  Maybe he is right on the money with his theories, but for now thats all he has is suposision, and a bit of educated guessing.  This is what we call a poor source unless we talking about one side of the story, or a groups political beliefs.

Please understand sometimes major news organizations don't report things, or a credible source will drop the ball.  However you have shown that you subscribe to, and are willing to accept only one side of a multifaceted story. 

Please do your homework.






non partial think tank?

ok kool

Show me where your non partial think tanks have exposed northwoods, ajax, gladio, shit the lusitania, in real time. 

Like these are all released documents you know, that means they have become a a "classic"  no longer a requirement to think just pick up any book.

Lets see how your boyz stack up or do they need to wait for it to become a classic as well?

It never fails to humor me when i use a site people ALWAYS prefer to shoot the messenger rather than realizing that there are sometimes upwards of several million hits and all they need to do is get off their browser and look for whichever one tweetks their tweeter.


Oh... and now that you called the bs card, lets see your hand on each issue.





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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 4:18:00 PM   
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I've always maintained that we need term limits:   One in office and one of equal length in prison.

Politicians, lawyers and MBAs first against the wall come the revolution.  Then we'll work on the various fundamentalists, one bullet at a time.




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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 4:22:43 PM   
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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/15/2007 6:04:08 PM   
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Get my drift?  Both sides of this story are theortical at best, although I think when you take the head guys out, as seen in other terror organizations, you have a pretty signifcant drop in sucessful operations for several years.


you know what the biggest problem with this kind of stuff it?   We do not know they took out any head guys.    Worse they could have taken out somone they thought were traitors.  Say if biladen suspected one of his guys of whatever. drop the nickel on him boom.  Th us has their brag point and every one is happy.

Thats the problem is that its no longer serve the people its self serve and i frankly am suprized when they say something that is not a lie of at minimum 1/2 truth.

It gets so incredibly counter counter counter spy/ terrorism you never know who is being used for what and who turns out to be a patsie or dicposable "patriot" etc...   

The murrah building is a total nightmare literally a person could read for months about all the back stabbing covers and on and on its amazing how well thought some of these covers are to provide "plausuble deniablity" and the people suck it up every time because its not longer get to the truth, politics is nothing more than a football game now days and right wrong or indifferent it does not matter how immoral our governemnt is or which party, or how many lives are sacraficed etc as long as "our team wins".

911 for instance is just another one of those deals like a pile of shit the more you stir it the more it stinks.

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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/16/2007 12:14:47 AM   
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There must be some alternative out there that considers minority and majority concerns. I just don’t know what it is.


yup its called a "republic"!


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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/16/2007 9:05:18 AM   
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As most of you will realize a crideble threat can be had from 2-5 people and thats generally the best way to oganize a terror cell.  However the leaders/trainers have been seriously disrupted, and continue to be at less of a capscity then previously.  This doesn't mean numbers aren't on a rise, but skilled professionals means less of a effective chance. 



Whether the leaders are the leaders and whether they have been taken out is another story. Washington claims bin Laden is the leader of al qeada but they don't appear to have taken him out so how confident can they be they have taken out other significant figures. As the intelligence about Iraq proved totally wrong, it is a mute point whether the intelligence that says that islamic terrorist groups have been weakened is right or wrong. The British and other European services seem to think islamic terrorists organisations have been anything but beheaded and are more akin to a multi-headed hydra. Yes, they have got ridden of the camps in Afghanistan but now many are based in Iraq with munitions a plenty and ordinance professionals enough from the former Iraqi army and the Iranians. The fact is that there are so many Islamic groups with a greivance against the west and the US in particular, it is impossible to label them with one name.

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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/16/2007 9:08:09 AM   
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I've always maintained that we need term limits:   One in office and one of equal length in prison.

Politicians, lawyers and MBAs first against the wall come the revolution.  Then we'll work on the various fundamentalists, one bullet at a time.







That is how this government came into existance after all :)





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RE: 5 Myths About Terrorism - 9/16/2007 9:23:54 AM   
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There must be some alternative out there that considers minority and majority concerns. I just don’t know what it is.


yup its called a "republic"!


Democracy 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what's for supper.

Republic:  2 wolves deciding whats for supper and a well armed sheep contesting the vote.



Real0ne:
That may look cute on a bumper sticker but it is less than accurate.  Perhaps you might want to read Hamilton's definition in the "Federalist Papers".  Where he compares and contrasts the two words.  He spends a fair amount of ink explaining why one is more useful (at the time) than the other.
Now I know you do not particularly like Hamilton but that does not detract from his knowledge and understanding of government.
thompson
 


I do not consult Alexander Hamilton's life or history for much of anything. First, he wanted Washington to be our king. He thought that was the best govt. originally. Next he wanted power concentrated in a central federal govt. He in fact may have been our first capitalist fascist.

Next, he bought up pay-script that the revolutionary militias erroneously thought were worthless...for 30 cents on the dollar...ALL THE WHILE secretly composing and submitting a bill through congress to pay 100%.

It passed and Hamilton succeeded in swindling these poor men who did the fighting and...while tripling his money. 

Hell, the consitututional convention offered to set the president's salary...Washington's salary at $25,000 a year. Washington said that was WAY too much...just cover my expenses. FIRST year expenses...$500,000.

Our country was 'founded' by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes...boy how things have change...hey ?

Welcome to America !!

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