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TiNeedsHouseboy -> RE: Forced m/m - subtle and blatant (7/20/2005 10:59:36 PM)
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For myself, I'm not into forced anything. I want a sub to serve my heart. To that end, I want him to fulfill my requests -- yes, requests, not demands or orders -- because it pleases him to please me.
As for two men, if I have two men in hand, then dang it! I'm not wasting their energies by allowing them to service one another. I'm the central focus and they damn better well take care of MY needs! (That's not a joke. Notice the lack of emoticon.)
Meanwhile, I need to address the following remark:
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Master Kevin
I would never subject a slave of mine to do something sexual that was of pleasure to me, but totally against the grain of my sub/slave. If a boy's not gay....He's not gay!
Conceptually, I agree with you, yet I did encounter a guy who had a fascinating D/s dynamic that involved forced bi. It's intriguing because of the double-bind he faced. He described it to me via a chat, and I debated whether to paste that here, allowing him to speak for himself. At the outside chance someone might recognize his writing style, I'll recap the discussion. For the sake of identification, let's call the sub in question "Billy Boy." (I like the clang of it.)
Billy Boy had a Mistress, who was engaged to her male sub, and knew Billy Boy was heterosexual. At the start of the relationship, Billy Boy's scenes were limited to him and his Domme. He said she had a wickedly creative mind for thinking up mind fuck sessions. Apparently, they engaged in quite a bit of CBT.
After they'd known one another for a while, she told him that one day, when he wasn't expecting it, she would have another male join the scene. She was informing him in advance because she wanted him to have the right to refuse to get involved in a scene with another male sub.... BUT.... if he did refuse, that would be the end of their relationship.
This is the part that truly honked me off: That Domme clearly had it planned all along to add in a second male sub, but she waited until Billy Boy was attached to her before lowering the boom on him. Billy Boy admits that had she disclosed this before he got to know her, he would have told her no way, and the relationship never would have occurred. In other words, there was far more than a mind-fuck dynamic. There was intentional deception and manipulation.
To make a long story short, this Domme's sub fiance joined the scene one day, and they became an ongoing 3-some. Billy Boy found it very hot to be under her domination and felt comfortable with her control over him and her fiance. She'd have the guys French kiss and blow each other. She also had a passion for being fucked doggie style, with the second sub beneath her, giving her oral. She'd have the guys alternate between who was fucking her, and who was tonguing her.
They remained a hot and horny 3-some until the Domme had to move out-of-town for a job. She wanted Billy Boy to join them, but he was married to a vanilla wife, who he adored. And so, the triad ended.
Billy Boy said it was one of the hottest experiences of his life and is glad he had the chance to be dominated in that way. So, I asked him if he would have had gotten involved with the other sub sexually outside the context of a domination scene. He replied with something like, "Do you mean did I ever meet the guy for drinks? No." He wasn't sexually attracted to the other guy. He didn't consider himself bisexual. He didn't have a desire to socialize with the other sub. The attraction was strictly limited to the Domme's control over both of them.
So, there you have it.... a M/M set-up that was born out of manipulation, but which had a happy outcome. Still, it drives me bonkers on a conceptual level that the Domme wasn't honest from the get-go that she had an expectation that both subs would play together while serving her sexually. After all, how can you have a trusting relationship when you practice intentional deception that's not at all playful, and incredibly self-serving -- far beyond the notion of serving the dominant's needs? From my perspective, that Domme violated the "sane" and "consensual" aspects of SSC (or whatever label you prefer).
~ Ti ~
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