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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 5:51:35 PM   
camille65


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That every one has the exact same view of each right or each wrong?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 5:55:59 PM   
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What I do care about is that she brings her story here as an example of what should be accepted as "ok". Well in order to make the decision personally of whether or not you want to believe it really is "ok" [...] it might be helpful to know that the person giving such advice claims to have been found mentally incompetent.


How so? I mean, I can make up whatever the hell I like and post it, like Rover said.
Quite apart from that, I am competent, and agree that it's "ok".
So we disagree on what should be "ok" and not.
That's just YKINOK all over again.

Which is kind of what the TOS tries to avoid when it speaks about dismissing others' choices.

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There are a lot of people who come to these boards who have zero experience in this lifestyle.


And, quite frankly, they're not nearly as important as the people who have enough experience to judge for themselves already, and enough insight to understand that the Internet is just social darwinism waiting to happen as some sucker that takes it at face value without doing independent research to verify what has been said. It's not our job to save everyone, nor would this community be worthwhile if it was.

Why not leave it at disputing the position briefly, or putting something in your tagline?

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Without presenting them with all the relevant facts I would think it would be impossible for them to look at the advice given and make an informed decision as to what would be right for themselves.


How do you propose to check what facts are relevant, and on the Internet, no less?
For that matter, you omitted the "not allowed to supply all the relevant facts" bit she said.

The search function is available if they care to look things up.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 5:56:50 PM   
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And it seemed to me- early on, before I "knew" her or any of the posters in question- that this all comes down to people taking her statements as a "sublier than thou" position, and backlash from that, whether from taking offense at thinking that they are being viewed as inferior (taking offense at one's own thoughts, usually due to vague definitions of the word "slave" in the CM community, and a specific, literal meaning by prop; I spent ages clarifying that in one thread, eventually resolved), or from taking her statements as arrogance, or from some sort of envy (wtf; who would envy the burden involved, if they're happy with the positive side of their own relationship?)...



I've also been working at unravelling that knot.

I think for a few there is a visceral response, borne of a memory or a fear that is deeply imbedded and triggered by Prop's posts.
I think for others Prop is another in a group of individuals who cannot be 'domesticated' to suit the moods and tastes and concepts of reality and bdsm of these individuals.

Prop is not the only one who has felt the pressure to bend knee or leave.


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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 5:58:18 PM   
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Do you think that it is a given thing, that everyone everywhere states the same lines drawn for right and wrong?
That every one has the exact same view of each right or each wrong?

Yes actually, I do believe that...I believe there are SOME absolute right and wrongs that are universal.


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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 5:59:59 PM   
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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:00:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Sorry for getting off the no limits debate I realize that how I use the term and how most people use it is very different.


Not to worry, it derailed into another debate ages ago.

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Thanks for the reply!


You're always welcome, BeingChewsie.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:01:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: camille65

But they aren't universal. It'd be really nice if that happened though.

Some are... I think you get that...

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:02:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Where would BDSM be without is 'white knights'?


Home.




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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:04:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

change her legal status and i don't give a flying fuck if he wants to chop off an inch of her body each week


How about nullification of small girls in Somalia?

I mean, it's legal, right?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:06:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Do you think that it is a given thing, that everyone everywhere states the same lines drawn for right and wrong?
That every one has the exact same view of each right or each wrong?

Yes actually, I do believe that...I believe there are SOME absolute right and wrongs that are universal.



And anyone disagreeing with -your- version of "universal absolute right and wrong" would be ... ?

You see, the Fundamentalist Christians have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would not include extra-marital affairs or poly.

Catholics have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would preclude all sorts of things petaining to bdsm.

So I am curious regarding the "universal absolute right and wrong" code which -everyone- recognizes that permits the various activities described in these forums.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:07:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Yes. Brainwashing works wonders.


And both ways, at that.

That said, she consented to the initial round of it while legally competent.
A second round of it now would be mind-rape, quite simply put.
I believe rape is fucking with stuff without consent.
Rare day when we agree, Bob, no?

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:08:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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ORIGINAL: camille65

But they aren't universal. It'd be really nice if that happened though.

Some are... I think you get that...


I think this :  http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/world/africa/20girls.html?_r=1&ref=world
is beyond wrong, but it isn't to everyone. Sure that is an extreme example, it was at hand. Point is, you can't apply some universal code of right or wrong for every person.
Edit/Added
Yes there are a lot of things that 'most' will consider wrong but it is impossible to say that there is an absolute concrete source for determining right and wrong.

< Message edited by camille65 -- 9/20/2007 6:10:11 PM >

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:09:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

i hope i am always judgemental, the day i stop being so i loose part of my humanity.


Or gain some.
Depending on who you're talking to (e.g. me).
But you're the one who has to live with yourself; what you have to do for that is up to you.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:10:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

Yes. Brainwashing works wonders.


And both ways, at that.

That said, she consented to the initial round of it while legally competent.
A second round of it now would be mind-rape, quite simply put.
I believe rape is fucking with stuff without consent.
Rare day when we agree, Bob, no?

Health,
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I am yet to be disappointed when you engage a topic, Aswad.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:10:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: velvetears

Psychiatrists brainwash but her master hasn't?  And you know this how?


Did anyone say he hadn't?

She pretty explicitly stated elsewhere they agreed to do that.

I've posted on some aspects of behavioural modification elsewhere; that's brainwashing too.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:12:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chellekitty

did anyone see that i said, even leaving out anything to do with BDSM, he's still doing illegal shit cause if she is to be believed, vanilla sex with her is against the law?


So was, at one point, anyone possessing a felt tip pen.

You know, "possession of a device for circumventing copy-protection".

Back when Sony had CDs that could be copied if you inked out the outer 1mm or so.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:15:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Do you think that it is a given thing, that everyone everywhere states the same lines drawn for right and wrong?
That every one has the exact same view of each right or each wrong?

Yes actually, I do believe that...I believe there are SOME absolute right and wrongs that are universal.



And anyone disagreeing with -your- version of "universal absolute right and wrong" would be ... ?

You see, the Fundamentalist Christians have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would not include extra-marital affairs or poly.

Catholics have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would preclude all sorts of things petaining to bdsm.

So I am curious regarding the "universal absolute right and wrong" code which -everyone- recognizes that permits the various activities described in these forums.

I didn't say anything about what universal right and wrongs permit and don't permit....weather in this forum or not... I am a Christian. I have a husband of 24 years and a Master... I am not committing adultery. I have my husbands permission and blessing in my journey in this lifestyle. He (my husband) knows the nature and dynamic of a Master/slave relationship...he just doesn't want anything to do with it LOL.My husband also knows I am now collared. This has not been in conflict with my beliefs as a Christian woman.


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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:16:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: susie

Well thank goodness there are a whole lot of people out there that do not feel the same way as you. If you would just stand by and watch someone jump off a cliff without making any attempt at intervention then that is a very sad position to be in.


I've got friends I would not stop.
Depends on the manner of intervention, and the reasons for jumping, IMO.
But I'd halt a random stranger to ask why they're jumping, and offer help if they want it.

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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:19:52 PM   
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RE: No Limits: How far would you go? - 9/20/2007 6:22:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

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ORIGINAL: camille65

Do you think that it is a given thing, that everyone everywhere states the same lines drawn for right and wrong?
That every one has the exact same view of each right or each wrong?

Yes actually, I do believe that...I believe there are SOME absolute right and wrongs that are universal.



And anyone disagreeing with -your- version of "universal absolute right and wrong" would be ... ?

You see, the Fundamentalist Christians have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would not include extra-marital affairs or poly.

Catholics have a "universal absolute right and wrong" that would preclude all sorts of things petaining to bdsm.

So I am curious regarding the "universal absolute right and wrong" code which -everyone- recognizes that permits the various activities described in these forums.

I didn't say anything about what universal right and wrongs permit and don't permit....weather in this forum or not... I am a Christian. I have a husband of 24 years and a Master... I am not committing adultery. I have my husbands permission and blessing in my journey in this lifestyle. He (my husband) knows the nature and dynamic of a Master/slave relationship...he just doesn't want anything to do with it LOL.My husband also knows I am now collared. This has not been in conflict with my beliefs as a Christian woman.



Last I checked a husband cannot give a wife permission to break the laws of God, which include laws against adultery.

All I can say is that the curriculum for mainstream Christianity must have changed considerably since I last attended, that all of the above should be considered acceptable to a "christian woman".


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