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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 11:50:51 AM   
breatheasone


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Status: offline 		Bob...you are certainly free to put words in my mouth...i can do NOTHING to stop you

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 12:11:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Bob...you are certainly free to put words in my mouth...i can do NOTHING to stop you


And you are free from any necessity to explain the purpose for writing "(from what i've seen Bob has zero trouble speaking for himself)" within the original context.


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 12:20:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am once again sticking to submission and Dominance are a gift or what you individually perceive them to be :):)  They go hand in hand :)

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 12:48:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mmb1

Am once again sticking to submission and Dominance are a gift or what you individually perceive them to be :):)  They go hand in hand :)


I agree.

In a healthy loving relationship, I'd like to think each partner looks upon the other(s) as gifts.



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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 3:33:28 PM   
desiroustoserve


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Status: offline 		Agreed.  If one is considered a gift then so should the other.  Its what makes it all work.  The submissives get what they desire as well. 

Another thread needs to be started how the Gift of Dominance applies for submissives..lol.  I wonder how the subs would respond. 

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 4:10:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bobkgin

quote:

ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Bob...you are certainly free to put words in my mouth...i can do NOTHING to stop you


And you are free from any necessity to explain the purpose for writing "(from what i've seen Bob has zero trouble speaking for himself)" within the original context.


Bob...dear heart.....i have been married to the same man for 24 years(more then half my life) and i know him better then i know my self... i STILL don't speak for my husband (although i probably could and get it right verbatim LOL) i was simply trying to convey that speaking for someone else is seldom a good idea...and i tried to say it in a humorous light hearted way....apparently it didnt come a crossed that way.


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 4:30:54 PM   
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Agreed.  If one is considered a gift then so should the other.  Its what makes it all work.  The submissives get what they desire as well. 

Another thread needs to be started how the Gift of Dominance applies for submissives..lol.  I wonder how the subs would respond. 


Probably with the same snarkiness as the doms.

Before you start that thread, perhaps a thread to establish a baseline definition of the word "gift" would be in order.  When sub A uses definition B and dom C uses definition  D, net communication on topic is always zero.  Which is exactly what seems to happen in every one of these "submission is a gift" threads.


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 4:41:17 PM   
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Treasure;
well at least you have worded things differently, and maybe I have just grown more tolerant since the last time people got bored and started the 'gift' discussion for the gazillionth time....I hope your current relationship lasts a very long time, and you can continue to live in 'la la land'...here on earth I will stay grounded, and continue NOT to view my submission as a gift...{ sits here waiting on the 'drugs and alcohol' debate to start up again any minute}


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 4:59:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is an edited older response about "gifting" one's submission.

Any Dom that views a sub's submission as a gift is a complete pussy....Assholes each and every one of them....They put the sub, her submission and her pussy on a pedestal.

Those who view their submission as a gift are deeply mistaken.....If you are a total cunt then who would want your gift?  not many would place value on your submission unless of course you were hawt....Then it might be fun.
Regardless, the sub has an underlying need, desire etc to submit....Everything else is a spring board from those facts once she has reached that conclusion.

If a sub says her ultimate gift is her submission....Then she must be lacking in soooo many other areas.....Her submission albeit important is actually the least of my concerns....Is she sane? Is she intelligent?  Is she curious about the world around her? Can she understand and utilize common sense?  Do our personalities mesh? Is there a physical attraction? Is she compassionate? Is she self deprecating? Does she possess a sense of humor? How's her hygiene?

To find someone who possesses these characteristics and more is truly what is remarkable. Her submissive "gifts" will never amount to squat if we cannot see eye to eye. And in reality, it is all just a matter of my as well as her needs being met.  Fuck the gift.

When a little subbie is alone at night does she masturbate to the thought of her gift being received?  Or does she rub her clit thinking about her desires or needs being met?  It is a need or a desire that is what it is....She gets something in return for giving her gift.....So exactly what kind of a fucking gift is that?  One that is tied to receiving something back?

People come to CM or to this "lifestyle" because they have a need or desire that they want to be filled...Why can't you give your gift to someone who is vanilla?  If it is a gift then what is the difference? Oh I'm sorry, they won't reciprocate with the desired response that you seek....Can you see how weak the argument for "the gift" actually is?

Read your romance novels if you choose....of course I will be waiting for when you make your next post, "Do all Doms poo?"


< Message edited by domiguy -- 9/17/2007 5:00:10 PM >

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:18:05 PM   
desiroustoserve


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Status: offline 		NOW that was GOOD.... I needed that.  Its not that serious.  Its ridicolous to pick it apart like this.  But since submission is supposedly a gift, when it should be a true desire of a submissive, then continue on with the sermons. 

A submissive desires the Dominance.  Period.  Pick it apart and look at it from every single angle of life. 

Bottom line is that the needs are being met by both.  Neither are above the other or greater. 

Domiguy-- now that was funny !! Enjoyed it. 


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:20:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1

Treasure;
well at least you have worded things differently, and maybe I have just grown more tolerant since the last time people got bored and started the 'gift' discussion for the gazillionth time....I hope your current relationship lasts a very long time, and you can continue to live in 'la la land'...here on earth I will stay grounded, and continue NOT to view my submission as a gift...{ sits here waiting on the 'drugs and alcohol' debate to start up again any minute}


I know nothing of your tolerance level, but your reading comprehension skills appear to be very poor, indeed.  I stated clearly in my op, and at least once more within this thread, that I neither subscribe to or use the "submission is a gift" concept.  I do, however, believe I understand it and am more than willing to refrain from being derogatory to anyone who does prefer to use it.

I would have appreciated your felicitations more had you not entwined them with arrogant sarcasm.  As it is, my relationship with FirmhandKY continues to go very well, thank you. 

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:23:31 PM   
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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:46:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: desiroustoserve

Another thread needs to be started how the Gift of Dominance applies for submissives..lol.  I wonder how the subs would respond. 


I would respond as I did in this thread - that neither of us considers each other a gift.  We are simply who we are, and we happen to fit very well together.  This does not mean I'm not grateful to him every day for the way he Masters me.  He is extremely giving to me as a Master.  But if I did not submit to him as I do, he would not be my Master, and if he did not Master me as he does, I would not be submitting to him as I do. 

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:47:36 PM   
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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 5:48:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

*sighs*  More fools who cannot read.



My last post was not directed at you or it would have said ...(in reply to TreasureKy)....See wasn't that easy?

If you look below you will see that this post clearly states.....(in reply to TreasureKy) ...pretty neat stuff..huh?

*sighs* Another fool who cannot read.

< Message edited by domiguy -- 9/17/2007 5:50:51 PM >

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 6:50:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's wierd how people have made up all of this altruistirc bullshit to excuse the fact that they enjoy getting thier rocks off on a power trip.

What's even wierder-is I used to believe it too-what a fool.

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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/17/2007 9:27:52 PM   
Bobkgin


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

*sighs*  More fools who cannot read.


Actually, Treasure, I think its great that submissives are given such an unequivocal choice.

I think both sides have been articulated extremely well and a submissive can choose which of the two she would prefer.

I'll trust a submissive to judge for herself which is right for her and which is not.


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RE: Submission… the gift that keeps on giving - 9/18/2007 1:45:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

quote:

ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

*sighs*  More fools who cannot read.



My last post was not directed at you or it would have said ...(in reply to TreasureKy)....See wasn't that easy?

If you look below you will see that this post clearly states.....(in reply to TreasureKy) ...pretty neat stuff..huh?

*sighs* Another fool who cannot read.


Whether or not you can read really isn't the issue.

Whether or not you understood what the OP wrote (i.e. reading comprehension) is pertinent, however.

Domi, I like you, even though we don't often agree.  However, for someone reading this thread closely, and understanding the intent of the OP (which is easily discerned if something more than light skimming is used in reading the post), your post seemed to be agreeing with Elusive1- who does seem to be having a reading comprehension problem.

Therefore ... yes ... in this case, while I don't consider you a "fool", I certainly understand and agree with Treasure's intent behind her comment.

And I think you understand all of this as well, as you couplet about "Looking to see who my post is in reply to ..." doesn't track with your comments, in my mind.

Come on ... just admit you screwed up!  We all do it from time to time.

Firm


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