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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 1:35:26 PM

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$500 ? That isn't shit today, it is far too little to play with the sharks in the stocks game. Of course if you can get an account with that amount I would say that shorting Haliburton stock sometime in mid 2009 might be a good idea.

There is six grand in the safe, and there is stays because I don't think anything out there is good enough. I might short some of tricky Dicky's stock in 2009, not sure.

Nothing is going to work short term except for tools or hoarding something that is about to rise in price. That's actually what the futures market is, but you just play it on a small scale. Gasoline or petrol is probably a good idea, but not right this minute in the US. However buying tanks in which to store it might be good. Plastic underground tanks are dirt cheap, but require a secure site.

At $500 you just need to buy things that are worth alot more than the price. Stay away from boats, and unless you are a competent mechanic, try not to go into cars. At $500 even getting into the car game is difficult.

I could teach you how to play poker for $500 :-)

The only thing that is really rock solid is silver. But that is not short term. I can almost guarantee that you will make money on silver, but not enough short term. What's more you will probably shoot yourself for selling it too early.

I know alot about how things work and how they are manufactured, and after recieving some more recent information, I believe silver is by far the best investment. While short term gain is sluggish, silver is poised to go through the roof within a decade, but it could happen as early as four years from now. This is the gamble you take. How long can you do without that money ?

All CM members, take note. I will let you in on this because I consider you friends, even those of you who hate me. Silver is the best investment period. What I read recently compared silver's uses, rate of extraction and refinment from the Earth and other factors.

My conclusion is based on hard fact. That conclusion is that gold is imbued with a value beyond the intrinsic. Right now, the cost of silver is pretty much it's intrinsic value. Gold's intrinsic value has not really changed, except for it's adoption as a standard and the subsequent hoarding. Gold also has alot of uses in non-essential industry, such as jewelry. But then gold, as well as silver does have uses in essential industry. However silver has more, and there is alot less of it than you think.

Silver is not considered as precious, but that is people's mistake. When you compare the reserves and costs, and all the other factors, I can say with quite a bit of assuredness that silver will shoot to ten times it's curent cost in ten years. And friends, believe it or not, that is NOT the time to sell it !

As essential industry grows to meet the needs of an ever expanding population, and reserves dwindle, there is a chance to make a whole hell of alot of money. I think in ten years the price will be at least eight times what it is now, but the next eight years will bring even better returns. When the time comes, that is where my money is going.

I think we might have a real good ride for at least fifteen years, after that industry and business will respond. They will have no choice. They will either find more silver, or they will find an alternative.

Hmmmm, I wonder what that alternative might be, don't you ? I have some ideas.......

One last little nail in the coffin of proof : There are metals which already cost more than gold. How is that possible ? You know. Platinum, palladium and uranium come to mind.

God forbid they ever find anything of value on my property, they fight wars over elements. Elements, of which gold and silver are among, cannot be made, period. Other minerals are the same, they simply cannot be made. I believe that eventually all metal will be precious.

Silver is next, take the ride. I plan to.

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 2:30:28 PM

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So where should someone invest $2500 for relatively decent growth? M

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 5:07:36 PM

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Full, you might want to put about half of it in silver. Not coin unless you can buy at or under melt.

With the other grand or so I would take a serious look at your debt service, if you are paying interest on anyhting tht is your first priority unless you got a hell of a good rate. Definitely try to stop the clock on anything that costs you more than 10% a year. If silver kicks up, then use that credit to get more of it.

I see a logrithmic curve coming. No matter what the actual base price, once it doubles in one year, get all you can.

People gotta understand, unless you get really lucky with penny stocks, you are not likely to make much money in stocks, penny stocks are the exception, but winners are few and far between.

Another option is to buy or lay claim (through the BLM) to a silver mine. Only sell what you need to sell for now. Break even, but hoard the silver, or the ore. I'm sure that there are silver futures markets, but nothing beats having it in your hot little hand.

The only way to really make quick money in stocks is to have knowledge aforehand of some court case or something that is going to hurt a company. But it is not all roses. If you shorted Microsoft stock right before the EU court's ruling recently, $500 might've made you $20, but it would happen overnight, as long as you have the communication in place. But if you work for Microsoft that is considered insider trading.

Do not play a game with sharks unless you have a very sharp edge.

Problem is the opportunities come too infrequently. If you made a mere $20 on your $500 overnight, every night, your money is doubled in 25 days. But it doesn't work that way.

All I can say is silver is more solid than gold right now. My decision comes when I see the curve start really rising, that will be the right time. If you don't have the patience or the wherewithall to ride it out for a few years, take smaller gains. It's all you can do.

In the end, the big sharks are going to make the lion's share of the money, but we can actually take a ride and make a few bucks as well. Remember, even if you make a half million a year, you go in that market, you are but a plankton among sharks, whales and all kinds of creatures that find you very tasty. And be prepared to lose all that money.

You can't win if you are not willing to lose. Nothing is surefire, silver is actually as close as it comes, but one invention could blow that right down the tubes. One idea could make silver worthless, and it is just a matter of time.

Remember the most important part of gambling is to know when to walk away. I've seen people hit the royal on a poker machine and win a thousand, but then they sit there and put every quarter back in. You must not fall into that. If you keep playing until you run out of money, you ALWAYS lose.

My money is on metal, or will be.

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 6:00:53 PM

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Wow! Thanks for all that, Termyn8or! I already know how to play poker :)
I'll take your advice with the silver. I've been known to have pretty good instincts and am looking towards inventions as well.

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 7:34:25 PM

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So where should someone invest $2500 for relatively decent growth? M

thats a hell of a good question.

i would research the mutual funds and get an account on etrade or one of them that does muts. personally i go in - in the morning and i am usually out by closing as i do not believe in investing. i mostly do scalping like what T8r was talking about as a techincal trader and frankly i have no clu what I trade most of the time as far as stocks go. (except for futures and options of course.)

you can go on yahoo, msn in their financial sections and they have fund screeners, most funds tend to follow the dow or the s&P or somewhere in between unless they really loaded up on naz listed stocks.

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 8:58:58 PM

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I am deadly serious, just looking for the best way to go with what little I have. All the jokes about lottery and vegas just wash down the drain.

Why assume that they're jokes?

The only difference between the stock market and casinos is that casinos let you see the cards...

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 9:25:20 PM

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Kinkbound, My idea of a rapid gain would be $500 on a sector fund and risk it for hitting a " homerun" with maybe triple the gain.
I am not speculating, nor am I playing with the idea!

Well, we now know your risk tolerance. (You really are looking to speculate, whether you realize it or not.)

I should have asked you this before, but what is your time frame? In other words, how long are you willing to wait for your money to triple?

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 10:31:31 PM

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Hmmm, I see some non-understanding here.

This is a poker game, you must take pot odds into consideration with real odds. Real odds are the actual odds of you winning, pot odds are the amount of money in the pot, versus the current bet, which is to you. Bet or fold.

You make the decision mathematically. To illustrate, I will offer a scenario in a poker game anyone can understand almost.

There is five dollars in the pot, the bet is five humdred dollars to you and you have a pair of dueces. In another hand there is $4,000 in the pot and the bet to you is a dollar, and you have four of a kind.

Think people, what do you do ? Is it really that hard ? I see this so clearly and easily that it is just about a damn shame, but then I am smart. Sorry about that. I could play this shit very well, but I simply do not want to. I mean it, with enough balls, I could sink like $20,000 into it today, but even thinking I am going to win, I just do not want to do it. That is not my game.

As Kid Rock said, you'll never meet a motherfucker quite like me. I am not saying I am better, but I am certainly different. I would rather harvest sea salt. I would rather build a boat then sail it. My point of view is often quite off the beaten path, but who is right ?

And who cares ? Money means nothing.

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RE: Investing - 9/18/2007 11:45:42 PM

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why anyone would even consider investment advice even for 3 dollars on a D/s site is beyond me.

Am I being punked? lol

No one is serious about this are they?

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RE: Investing - 9/19/2007 1:20:15 AM

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I keep my investments pretty fluid,One never knows about big brother,Invest in your self , things around you. your home and in the long run you will be better off..Gold coins, diamonds...things that hold or increases in value as time goes on...

Just a quick aside.....

The gold thing is way overblown. Personally, I'd stick with rare, numismatic gold coins over that of the bullion variety.

Bullion ownership via a third party bookkeeping entry is volatile because A } It's not tangible because it isn't in your possession, and B } The bullion itself is volatile for short term investors with all these hedge funds collapsing. As soon as these mortally wounded funds start to blow.....they liquidate their gold futures/options thus driving the price down. In essence, with the hedge funds collasping.....it adds a new variable - because normally the weakening state of the dollar means the gold price automatically shoots up ; but the hedge funds dumping changes that.

For someone who wants to start small and slow.....I'd move in a strictly tangible area of various forms of abstract art and niche-market rare /semi-rare collectibles. Once you learn ''how to collect'' - Not only is it fun but its very profitable {and recession proof}.

If we go back shortly after the depression, we know that art and collectibles largely out-preformed everything with the exception of gold.

Above all - For those who are unusually shrewd.....the best investment out there is to latch-on to extremely wealthy woman ; }

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RE: Investing - 9/19/2007 5:03:25 PM

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But then Ranger, there isn't enough silver to dump.

Another investment if you can get it cheap and in bulk would be unrefined sea salt. First of all it will improve your health, and the rest can be sold to say companies. They pay more than they charger for salt actually. The sodium chloride and aluminum silicate mixture they sell you is only a small fraction of their revenue. They get alot more from what they take out of the salt. This is sold to chemical companies and is used for everything from gasoline and paint additives to drugs.

Salt would be good to have after the shit hits the fan, but as long as the economy is loping along you won't make much money off of it. And collectibles are a very good mention if you know what to look for. But even collctibles on a small scale, you need to know what to look for and comb garage and estate sales.

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