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luckydog1 -> RE: ACLU backing Senator Larry Craig (9/20/2007 2:37:00 AM)
evryone of those cases, except the first which was 40 years old was non consensual(in the first case the sub could not be found to testify as to wether there was consent or not. that the court woud find for non consent in the absence of evidence seems reasonable to me). I do think non consensual BDSM should be a severe crime, perhaps you don't.

DomKen -> RE: ACLU backing Senator Larry Craig (9/20/2007 7:42:04 AM)
I am opposed to nonconsensual bdsm. However that case in NY is from all I've heard a lot more complicated than that Newsday article made it sound. I simply couldn't find a better article from after the conviction. You're welcome to look into it and see for your self. However at the very least there are much more recent cases of recent prosecution, Iowa v Collier for instance and no indication that any appelate court anywhere in the US has ever ruled that S&M activity isn't battery.

luckydog1 -> RE: ACLU backing Senator Larry Craig (9/20/2007 11:51:22 AM)
There was no prosecution in Iowa v Collier, why such a need to grasp at straws? A student club got a probation for beating someone in a school building (again a public place) others could hear what was going on. No one was prosecuted. The school adminstered an internal punishment of the club not any individual. The club took it to court to overturn it, and lost. So from all the cases you have posted there is zero prosecutions for consenual private BDSM. What exactly are you trying to prove. I still have not recieved any answer as to whether the ACLU goes to bat for all Bsthroom sex prostitution cases, adn whether this is just ot keep this guys face in the news for political reasons. If it is for poltiical reasons, it pretty much negates any credibiliy the ACLU has.

DomKen -> RE: ACLU backing Senator Larry Craig (9/20/2007 1:18:08 PM)
Iowa v Collier wasn't about a college club. It was about pimp and one of his girls. The pimp appealed his conviction claiming it was consensual S&M not a violent rape and therefore covered under the states exceptions to assault for "sport, social or other activity" rather than rule on the facts, the appelate court can't, they simply ruled that even consensual S&M is assault. Once again, have the cops claimed it was a prostitution bust? All the facts I have say no. The ACLU is involved in the Craig case because he is being prosecuted for a form of flirting that the ACLU lawyers in question think is close to being protected free speech. It is entirely possible that no one else caught by these stings have ever gone to the ACLU or gotten enough press to have it come to the ACLU's attention.

luckydog1 -> RE: ACLU backing Senator Larry Craig (9/20/2007 5:07:23 PM)
Craig did not go to the ACLU, and the idea that they have never heard of this before is utter nonsense. Craig pled guilty to lesser charges to avoid a trail. He copped a plea, so he was not charged with solicitng a prostitutite. But that is what the activity was. I was wrong about Collier. The article I read was about the student club and it used the collier ruling. My mistake. However my kind of BDSM, has nothing to do with beating my hookers and then gagging and ignoring thtem when they try to get me to stop. Perhaps you feel that violates your rights.

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