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plantlady64 -> Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 8:38:22 AM)

Hello All,
I was in a conversation in another thread here. In this conversation I had someone who said she did not consider her act of submitting her will to another as a gift she chooses to give.
I on the other hand feel to submit my will and my body to someone else for their pleasure and control the ultimate gift I could choose to give to someone.

So now I'm wondering how many people feel to submit is a gift, and if it's not considered to be a gift, what your idea of the act of submission means to you?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
sub suzanne



Isolde -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 8:46:24 AM)

I don't consider it a gift as when I consciously submit, I am fully expecting dominance in return. For me, a gift is something that is freely given without expectation of return. That doesn't mean that my submission is not precious or not to be treasured or respected for what it is- a surrender of my control to another person. But what it is not is a gift.

In the same vein, I would consider dominance from someone I care about and trust to be an honor, something to cherish, but still not a gift because I would be reciprocating with my submission.



Heinz -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 8:57:49 AM)

A sub is giving herself away to here Dom(me) So the Dom(me) has te tread here as a gift. A Dom(me) musst be proud as the owner of the the erson who submitted him/herself totely.

Master Heinz (Holland)



EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 9:02:54 AM)

Gift or not...

On the gift of submission

Reposted:
My being owned is not a gift, it is not given freely, nor is it given without conditions. I maintain my commitment to the Owner based on expectations, based on the knowledge that he IS the Owner. I was able to CHOOSE him for me.

The "gift" idea is a pleasant romantic metaphor, but no more or less. I am who I am. While I might be a blessing to some people, relationships are HARD WORK, as wonderful as they might elsewise be. Being in a relationship takes commitment, sweat, tears and time.



feline -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 9:06:22 AM)

I'm with Isolde. I don't consider it a gift. I consider it an exchange. I give him what he wants, needs or desires in exchange for the same.

If I considered my submission a gift, I would think I should consider his dominance a gift as well.

It's a give and take sort of thing. Yin & Yang [:D]

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plantlady64 -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 9:23:52 AM)

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I'm with Isolde. I don't consider it a gift. I consider it an exchange. I give him what he wants, needs or desires in exchange for the same.

If I considered my submission a gift, I would think I should consider his dominance a gift as well.

It's a give and take sort of thing. Yin & Yang


Hello feline,
I do consider the attention of my Master or Dom's I choose to submit to as a gift they give me. I agree with the yin/yang concept, especially in this lifestyle. I firmly believe you get back what you are willing to give. To me that's the beauty of the gift of BDSM shared between the two.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne



TwistedSin -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 4:14:28 PM)

I don't consider submission a gift. For those who truly are submissives/slaves, they need and crave control. They're getting something out of the relationship, just as the Dominant is.



LaMspeach -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 6:44:42 PM)

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I don't consider submission a gift. For those who truly are submissives/slaves, they need and crave control. They're getting something out of the relationship, just as the Dominant is.


i feel te same way.

My submission is apart of who i am and something i give to only one. I need to give up the control as much as he needs to control. It is just part of who we are.



kisshou -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/19/2005 7:24:50 PM)

I do not consider it a gift.



Hissweetshiv -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 6:06:16 AM)

Gemini attack.... i do consider it a gift and yet i don't. Allow me to clarify before someone's head explodes, lol. I don't consider submission a "gift" in the sense of "here is something nice, i don't want anything back". I do, however, believe that submitting to that One special Man or Woman is the greatest gift (as in blessing, boon, etc) that a submissive or slave can give a Dominant. Just as Dominance is that sort of a gift to said submissive or slave. They are two faces of the same coin, and one can't be there without the other.



piratefish -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 8:20:55 AM)

In some ways, yes I feel it is a gift, but not just of your body. It is a gift of your trust and vulnerability. A gift implies that it was given in goodwill, making one's submission a privilage, not a right.



Mercnbeth -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 8:31:00 AM)

quote:

So now I'm wondering how many people feel to submit is a gift, and if it's not considered to be a gift, what your idea of the act of submission means to you?


this slave does not feel that to "submit" is a gift, it is this slave's manner of behavior within our D/s and M/s relationship.



littleone35 -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 8:41:45 AM)

i guees i fell different then most. I condiser submission the nost presious of gifts. It's not just ehr gift of you body is is a gift of trust also .

littleone



imtempting -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 9:02:57 AM)

No I dont.



nenakajira -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/20/2005 11:57:04 AM)

No, I dont consider it a gift... nor even really an exchange. Within our group.. claiming to be a slave has expectations of its own. What I do is what is expected of me and so therefor not really thought much about or commented on. I suppose that doesnt make much sense.. lol.

When I submitted to my owner it was with the understanding that Id get as much or little in return as he decided to give me. Therefor, it wasnt really an exchange. Nor did he see my submission as a gift.. it was just the price for being with him.



OsideGirl -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/21/2005 8:11:52 AM)

Gift <gag> God, I hate that term.

If it's a gift be sure to give him a receipt so he can take if back if it doesn't fit.

I consider it to be an exchange of power, a symbiotic relationship. It's a dynamic that exists between two (or more) people.



darkinshadows -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/21/2005 9:09:12 AM)

No.

Peace and Love



feline -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/21/2005 9:55:20 AM)

quote:

especially in this lifestyle. I firmly believe you get back what you are willing to give.


I believe that's true in life in general, not just the lifestyle.[:)]



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jocelyn -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/22/2005 10:10:12 AM)

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So now I'm wondering how many people feel to submit is a gift, and if it's not considered to be a gift, what your idea of the act of submission means to you?


I'm used to being in the minority and don't expect Y/you to be startled at my reply. Part of my background is the patterning given to me by my foremothers. As a little girl, the smiling "You are precious beyond description, girl child" words were heard many, many times. When I repeated like phrases to my own daughters, it wasn't just validation for our link as family. As one in a long line of independent, loving women, it was also a reminder that value of an individual is unconditional.

As part of that early childhood noise, I received a healthy dose of "you're responsible for making this world a better place" a bit of "good genes are given to you, not earned, so don't get snippy if things come easily to you, Missy" and a good helping of "Reality and the inability to ignore it is a heavy load."

Yes. When I made the decision to give myself to this Man, it was most certainly a gift. He owns not only my body and whatever flavor of soul I possess (spirituality is a shifting thing for me) but he owns my creativity, my place in society, the fruits of my labor (god, that's an antiquated term!) and whatever is generated from this ownership pactthat neither of us may foresee.

Old fashioned? Yup. Trivial or trite? Not in my mind OR heart. This Man had a list a mile long. Compromise exists in all relationships, and both of us are still getting to know the person on the other end of His tether, but my self-defined enslavement to him is total. Truly, it's all I have to give.

...just one slave's humble opinion[:)]

jocelyn



MundaneEgg -> RE: Do you consider your submission to someone a gift? (7/22/2005 4:08:00 PM)

i most certaintly consider my submission a gift. i fully submit to no other power in this world except to my Mistress. it is a gift and my Mistress treasures it.

michael

Owned and operated
by Mistress Heather



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