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Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:04:52 AM   
ChicagoSwitchMal


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Status: offline 		She had something coming to her, but all this?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/20/sinkovich.woman.tasered.wytv
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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:09:11 AM   
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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:10:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		She is defiantly on something probably besides alcohol.  She is seen resisting several times in a edited video.  She is being aggressive and beligernt, and attempting to destroy property.  I think she got everything she deserved for being a asshat with a cop.  The only thing this guy did was tell her repeatedly to stop, instead of useing physical violance to subdue a suspect, which has resulted in far more injuries to drunk, intoxicated people.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:20:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I liked the "old days" before tasers when the cops would use a wooden Billy Club.
Maybe they should go back to that.


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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:34:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		These abuse videos keep piling up...

According to Amnesty International, there have been over 150 deaths related to the use of tasers...

Police are abusing these tasers...they need to taken away. Its that simple.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 11:41:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Like my post stated - she had something coming to her, but that? This wasn't some 250 pound body builder weilding a baseball bat. You could tell by the cops cockyness that he was not threaten or felt threatened. He did it because HE COULD. That simple. I find it hard to believe he couldn't subdue that woman less painfully. His fat donut eating ass could of just sat on her.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 12:00:38 PM   
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Yeah, tasers can kill people!
With a Billy Club you'll get some nice welts and bumps but they won't kill you normally.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 12:07:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I honestly just think they are overused. And I'll be honest I don't know where to draw the line. But far to often it seems like the FIRST thing cops go for these days. A tiny drunk woman? A college kid confronting Kerry? Just two examples. It's way to easy for a cop to just zap someone. If it were enemy soldiers we wouldnt be allowed to use electricty on them if it was deadly or not. Why is it okay to use them on our citizens?

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 12:09:04 PM   
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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 12:36:42 PM   
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Like my post stated - she had something coming to her, but that? This wasn't some 250 pound body builder weilding a baseball bat. You could tell by the cops cockyness that he was not threaten or felt threatened. He did it because HE COULD. That simple. I find it hard to believe he couldn't subdue that woman less painfully. His fat donut eating ass could of just sat on her.


I'm guessing you have never been involved in a fight or struggle with someone who was drunk or high and being violent and uncooperative.  It is HIS JOB to attempt to control the situation.  All she had to do was sit quietly in the back of the cruiser.  Before that all she had to do was comply with his commands.  I am sure she was causing a disturbance before the cop arrived since someone had called the police.  No, she is not a body builder, but she could still have easily done harm to the cop or others around her (and herself) if she was allowed to continue acting like a loud, disruptive, drunken ass. 

I also really doubt that if he had wailed on her with a club that those who are against the use of tasers would have said "oh, that's  okay".  We know there was more to this than what the edited video shows- what was going on in the bar?  What was going on before the police arrived?  Without all the facts vids like this are often worthless.  It may very well be that this woman is known to be a person with a violent temper who cannot control herself when she has a good buzz going.  Maybe she is known to the police as someone who will not follow their orders ( and yes, the police are in certain instances allowed to order you to comply with their demands or face arrest).  We don't know the whol;e story, and these suppositional threads about "pigs" are getting tiresome. 

I don't agree with many of the laws we have to deal with minute by minute, but if I need to I will fight them in court and not with the guy (or gal) who we ask to enforce them.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 1:25:25 PM   
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Like my post stated - she had something coming to her, but that? This wasn't some 250 pound body builder weilding a baseball bat. You could tell by the cops cockyness that he was not threaten or felt threatened. He did it because HE COULD. That simple. I find it hard to believe he couldn't subdue that woman less painfully. His fat donut eating ass could of just sat on her.


I'm guessing you have never been involved in a fight or struggle with someone who was drunk or high and being violent and uncooperative. 

edit for my sticking space bar


What is your experience in this field then? Are you a cop? That's not sarcastic. It's anhonest question.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 2:05:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

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ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

Like my post stated - she had something coming to her, but that? This wasn't some 250 pound body builder weilding a baseball bat. You could tell by the cops cockyness that he was not threaten or felt threatened. He did it because HE COULD. That simple. I find it hard to believe he couldn't subdue that woman less painfully. His fat donut eating ass could of just sat on her.


I'm guessing you have never been involved in a fight or struggle with someone who was drunk or high and being violent and uncooperative. 

edit for my sticking space bar


What is your experience in this field then? Are you a cop? That's not sarcastic. It's anhonest question.


No sarcasm noted.  It's a legit question. I am not, nor have I ever really wanted to be a cop.  I know a couple on a social level, and have worked with them in the past as security for a country bar that regularly seated 500 drunk rednecks on any given weekend evening- so I have had my fair share of drunk and disorderlies.  Plus as I said, I have trouble with some of the laws they have to enforce.  I like my herb. O well.  But, if I was busted for it, I wouldn't take it out on the cop- that's what courts are for.  Fight it there, not with the guy who is doing his job. 

And I am certainly not saying there aren't bad cops.  There are plenty of them, but more that are good.  Calling them all "pigs" is unfair and an insult to those that lay down their lives daily to protect us from neandrafucks who don't have the least bit of care or concern for our lives or property (not that you have done that). 

I had a couple of bad experiences with one in the town where I grew up.  I learned and moved on. 

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 2:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		sjacket - Then allow me to respectfully say that preempting your opinion with

"I'm guessing you have never been involved in a fight or struggle with someone who was drunk or high and being violent and uncooperative."

has the appearance of establishing crediblity over my opinion while your own experiences don't sugest a more valid insight. .

I think we all have enough experience with drunks and violence to be able to from an opinion.

Peace

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 3:27:57 PM   
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The cops really like it when you call them, "Bro."

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 3:41:16 PM   
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I think we all have enough experience with drunks and violence to be able to from an opinion.


Really? How many people have you shot while arresting them? 

The reason that Tasers are called 'less lethal' or 'less than lethal' weapons is that they are intended to provide an option other than firearms in the use of force continuum...that is 'Why is it okay to use them on our citizens'. 


Now I love Chuck Norris as much as the next right thinking person, but contrary to millions of hours of fictional entertainment fodder, in the real world our police are not selected, trained, or intended to win kickboxing matches with the citizenery.

Prior to the advent of OC and Tazers, the police had  limited authorized choices when confronted with the task of getting an extremely combative subject to jail... sticks, or bullets, when words and simple hand controls did not work.

Now having said that, the Tazer is proving itself to be an extremely flawed substitute for deadly force... it has been linked to too many deaths in custody, and has been ineffectual in too many cases. It is one of thoe things that looks great on paper, but when it goes wrong, it has the potential for things to end badly.

I'm not a fan of the Tazer, but I recognize it for what it is and isn't, and I don't buy into 'The cop shoulda just used the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, and they would have settled right down...'  armchair quarterbacking.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 3:47:09 PM   
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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 8:13:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

She had something coming to her, but all this?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/09/20/sinkovich.woman.tasered.wytv


Oh my, the woman was resisting arrest I will not debate that. And she should have been arrested. However, I didn't even see the reason to taz her in the first place. Drunken or not the officer could have arrested her. Anyone here ever watch cops geez. Almost everynight you can see them take down a grown man who resisting arrest!!If he tazed her once I may be able to let it go. but he tazed her over and over again. Not to mention him threatening her over and over again. Police brutality is a touchy subject for me right now as man (Iraq war vetern) in my small town was shot and killed AFTER dropping his weapon, and was in the process of putting his hands behind his head.

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 8:20:11 PM   
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are you suggesting that only cops are allowed to form opinions on this subject?


No, IIRC, that would be you linking experience with the weight given to opinions.

Anything to add to the points raised?

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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/20/2007 10:27:55 PM   
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Police are abusing these tasers...they need to taken away. Its that simple.


I'd rather just get rid of a million or so police - Too many cops equals too big a drain on the tax payers.



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RE: Officer on leave over stun gun - 9/21/2007 5:45:39 AM   
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