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Pulpsmack -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 4:28:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro "We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." - Malcolm X Yes, it's a pity these stupid black folk can't just take what's coming to them and silently protest. Why did they sit under the "white tree"? Why can't they take a joke? Nooses hanging from a tree is a good joke, right? I mean, that's funny...and it's been funny for a few hundred years. ...Right? Racism is funny. Sure is... Ask Redd Foxx, Richard Pryor, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, Eddie Griffin... Ohhhhh you mean Michael Richards.... THAT racism (as if there is a lick of difference, other than contemporary society's change in what is supposed to be viewed as funny). Please. Do you even have a point here? Who ever contended that nooses in a tree was not something to be indignant about? Is this justification to beat a kid down, much less, one at random for being the suspect color? It doesn't matter how offensive the act is, we have very clear rules of conduct regarding the use of violence, much less deadly force. If your argument were to stand, there would be a great deal of dead or badly maimed internet posters on this site as well as others for their offensive posts.

Pulpsmack -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 4:33:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Amy Goodman had in interview with a fucking Cracker on the school board, and I suggest you hit democracynow.com for the podcast of it... Unless you are comfortable throwing the fabled "N-bomb" around on this site, yourself or others doing it (with all the consequences that accompany the board's code of conduct) I would suggest you edit your post and refrain from posting your racial slurs here. I have no problems with the use either word myself, but I have a big problem with one being treated with zero tolerance and the other as if it were no big deal.

Estring -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 4:36:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro "We declare our right on this earth...to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary." - Malcolm X Yes, it's a pity these stupid black folk can't just take what's coming to them and silently protest. Why did they sit under the "white tree"? Why can't they take a joke? Nooses hanging from a tree is a good joke, right? I mean, that's funny...and it's been funny for a few hundred years. ...Right? Racism is funny. Yep, those stupid black folk can't be held responsible for their actions. Who are we to expect them to not resort to violence when offended. I get offended by things too. Can I beat the crap out of someone as well? Different standards for different races? Sounds racist to me.

Owner59 -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 4:49:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pulpsmack So, six people who are gravely offended by the a horribly offensive act react by a 6-on-1 dogpile beatdown that potentially could have killed the kid, and you actually champion that cause? Frankly, it takes a great deal of restraint on my part to keep this civil and within the guidelines of the board code. If a Mexican child received the same treatment when he urinated all over an American flag and declared "reconquista" there would be no ridiculous "El-Paso Six demonstrations" at all. If the color of the one and the six was reversed, there would be a public outrage, and a potential riot if the jury did not echo the sentiments of those picketing on the streets. I don't defend the actions of the "*VICTIM", but there are means available to have dealt with him... School suspension/expulsion, counseling, whatever the Dr. Phil remedy du jour is. When those six Victims of racial offense decided to break the law and nearly kill someone for such a distasteful and hurtful display, they became violent criminals. I hear a great deal of hate speech directed at my ethnic subgroup (sadly it is mostly from liberal professors in the university from the same ethnic background as myself). Some of it is distasteful or offensive. Some of it is pure, guttural, "street" hateful. Does that give me license to release my hurtful feelings with a lead pipe? Would you be at my arraignment in protest against the system when myself and three others nearly killed a person of a different color/religion for some offensive stunt he pulled? And if you wouldn't, what makes these idiots so special that you would treat our cases differently?! You cannot argue logically, because this whole thing is stupid from that perspective. This country was founded on the principle of freedom of expression. No, I am not trying to defend idiot victim's choice of expression... I am conveying the belief that we are supposed to be a society where we can speak freely (whether right or wrong) and be reasonably safe from grievous bodily harm for doing so. Allowing an excuse for this behavior today is delivering a message in society that when one person upsets six others for whatever reason, they have license to beat the hell out of him. I am sorry, I don't give a damn. There are no magic words that pardon a thuggish dogpile of a beatdown by a group of people. And if there are such words, you better realize the other edge of the sword your argument sharpens over such words and who else would/should then be eligible for such violent treatment. The one kid is an ass. He should have been punished.... by the right people. These six kids are asses, and criminals lacking in self-restraint and control necessary to exist in society. Now it is their turn. EDIT: additional information was sent to me by a member who lives near Jena, which I will post here. If this is in fact true, it makes the case even more outrageous and unacceptable, and now they can and should throw that idiot hate crime punishment against those kids as well: "I would like to take this opportunity to correct one thing. The white victim, young Mr. Barker, was not in any way responsible for any of the previous "racial tensions" (ie nooses, or any fights leading up to the Dec. 4 attack). He was merely chosen at random because of his skin colour and was attacked from behind, rendered unconscience by the first blow, and then as he lay on the ground, he was repeatedly stomped and kicked by these criminals. Please feel free to verify this information with www.thetowntalk.com* where you can click on "The Jena Six" logo to find out more." So, six people who are gravely offended by the a horribly offensive act react by a 6-on-1 dogpile beatdown that potentially could have killed the kid, and you actually champion that cause? You know it`s much bigger than that.Much more complicated and involved,then your simple description.

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:08:38 PM)
Pulpsmack: There was an overall air of intimidation against the black kids and the white kids were pointedly being let off the hook for their overtly racist acts. And there's other context to consider here also - there were prior white vs black skirmishes and even a shotgun toting white kid at one point. Do you know how effective mere words are against a shotgun? You are taking one incident out of context and whining about it. Look at the whole story and you will see that the actions of the six were probably provoked and acceptable in the air of intimidation and second class citizenship under which they were being forced to live. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

cyberdude611 -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:16:56 PM)
Owner59, simple question for ya... If 6 white kids put a beat down on one black kid because that kid was black....what do you think the reaction of blacks would be? It's interesting how fast people's opinions on issues like this change when the shoe is on the other foot. If the situation was reversed, the NAACP and all these civil rights "leaders" would be marching demanding that the white kids spend the rest of their lives in prison. It seems like we are supposed to give the black kids a break because of the racial injustice done to african-Americans some 40-100 years ago. Just like with OJ right? He's black and we can't put another black man in jail. That's the only reason he got off with that murder charge. And then look at how blacks stuck up and supported Michael Vick. It's amazing how for some reason there are SOME black people out there with this thinking that the justice system intentionally targets black people. If OJ killed Ron and Nicole, he needs to be in jail. It's that simple. If Michel Vick tortured and killed animals, he needs to be in jail. The law is the law. And I dont care what your skin color is. If you do the crime, you do the time. There are no "get out of jail free" passes because you are a certain skin color or because you think your life was harder than anyone elses. I assure you there are white people in jail for murder. I assure you there are white people in jail for torturing animals. It's not a black-only crime. I mean it is basic common sense here. You get a gang together and start beating someone up....Guess what, you are going to go to jail. And you can have the best reason in the world for doing it. But guess what....it is still illegal. You just cant do that in a civilized society. You can't go rounding up posses because you feel offended.

Arpig -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:33:30 PM)
All very good points Sugar...however none excuses what they did.

LotusSong -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:40:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Owner59, simple question for ya... If 6 white kids put a beat down on one black kid because that kid was black....what do you think the reaction of blacks would be? It's interesting how fast people's opinions on issues like this change when the shoe is on the other foot. If the situation was reversed, the NAACP and all these civil rights "leaders" would be marching demanding that the white kids spend the rest of their lives in prison. It seems like we are supposed to give the black kids a break because of the racial injustice done to african-Americans some 40-100 years ago. Just like with OJ right? He's black and we can't put another black man in jail. That's the only reason he got off with that murder charge. And then look at how blacks stuck up and supported Michael Vick. It's amazing how for some reason there are SOME black people out there with this thinking that the justice system intentionally targets black people. If OJ killed Ron and Nicole, he needs to be in jail. It's that simple. If Michel Vick tortured and killed animals, he needs to be in jail. The law is the law. And I dont care what your skin color is. If you do the crime, you do the time. There are no "get out of jail free" passes because you are a certain skin color or because you think your life was harder than anyone elses. I assure you there are white people in jail for murder. I assure you there are white people in jail for torturing animals. It's not a black-only crime. I mean it is basic common sense here. You get a gang together and start beating someone up....Guess what, you are going to go to jail. And you can have the best reason in the world for doing it. But guess what....it is still illegal. You just cant do that in a civilized society. You can't go rounding up posses because you feel offended. RE: a comment by Whoopee Goldberg on the View about Vick and dog fighting. She actually defended it by saying "well he's from the south and they have done that for years". Jon Stewart of the Daily Show then responded with "That's like saying slavery was done for along time by the whites in the south." So just accept it? No.. if you want equality.. let's treat everyone the same and quit using "culture" as a justification. Some things are just WRONG. In addition, this evening on Scrubs there was an exchange between a white and black doctor. The white guy says "Boy, he sure hates us honkys". The black doctor responds "Doesn't everybody"? But whites just have to suck it up. Had that been reverses and the N word used, I don't think it would have been taken as humorus.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:53:59 PM)
I don't know if daddysprop looked at the picture on the link but...wow, looks a little worse that scrapes and bruises. Though, no doubt the vast conspiracy that tried to frame the OJ photo shopped it. My question to daddysprop is... If six white kids beat one black kid that badly in Jena LA and were similarly prosecuted, would you be as outraged? quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth A picture worth a thousand words - or maybe a few years.... http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070919/480/7b4a6f668d1d457bb9a96cc57fc23abd

julietsierra -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:59:12 PM)
Let's not forget that the principal did attempt to expell the white students for what the school board contended was a "kid's prank" and that one of the members of that school board who did not approve the principal's decision to expel just 'happens" to be the district attorney involved in this case. Oh yea...and that same school board member/district attorney told the student body of that school - the entire student body, not just the black population of that student body to keep quiet or with a stroke of his pen, he could ruin their lives forever. The nooses hung from trees by the white kids could have been called a school prank OR it could be called a hate crime. The district attorney/school board member decided it was a prank. The jumping of the white kid could have been called attempted murder OR it could have been called a high school fight. Guess what the district attorney/school board member opted for in this situation. There are certainly consequences to be paid, but there's no way in hell, I would consider a high school fight to be attempted murder - ESPECIALLY when the kid that was jumped still managed to drag himself to a party that same evening. Personally, if someone opted to attempt to kill my son, I sure as hell wouldn't be expecting him to waltz off to a party that same evening. And know what? The picture you see is EXACTLY what the outcome of school fights look like - back when I was in school - 30 years ago AND today. Kids are impulsive and they react badly to perceived injustices. Nooses hung in lovely school colors in order to "persuade" the "wrong type" of students from sitting under a tree, even if it was a high school prank, is a significant instigation to further bad decisions on everyone's part. And bad decisions are frequently the domain of high school boys - both white and black. No one is saying that ALL the boys, black and white, should not face consequences of their actions, but certainly, the consequences should darn well have been administered more even-handedly than they were, and if they didn't warrant jail time for the white kids for a hate crime, they didn't warrant jail time for a high school fight. juliet

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 5:59:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig All very good points Sugar...however none excuses what they did. I don't disagree with you per se - but to punish the six is mere scapegoating. Lots of this stuff could have been prevented by a substantially more proactive approach on the part of school administrators. Punishment should have been swift, unequivocal and color blind. Alas...

SugarMyChurro -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:03:28 PM)
And julietsierra said it 42 seconds before me, but she also stated it so eloquently.

JohnSteed1967 -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:04:14 PM)
Here's the thing Why did these 6 black kids pound on one white kid? Because he said some racial shit? Oh Excuse me like Six people have anything to fear from the mouth of one person white or black. If there were racial tensions going on then why didn't these black kids do something non-violent like the montgoery bus protest, or ghandi's salt march to the sea? Why didn't their parents ask to speak with the principal, the police, the school board, their senators etc until they got a response. You can't tell me that an adult with a mind couldn't have defused this? the parents should have been the age to have learned the lessons of the 60's and civil rights. seems to me this is more lets make the white man the devil shit that the NAACP and Al Sharpton keep spewing I got two words for Al Sharpton: Twanna Brawley. Oh Al you don't rember Twanna the black chick that was supposed to have been raped and beat by white men and then come to find out that it never happened!!

Estring -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:04:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro Pulpsmack: There was an overall air of intimidation against the black kids and the white kids were pointedly being let off the hook for their overtly racist acts. And there's other context to consider here also - there were prior white vs black skirmishes and even a shotgun toting white kid at one point. Do you know how effective mere words are against a shotgun? You are taking one incident out of context and whining about it. Look at the whole story and you will see that the actions of the six were probably provoked and acceptable in the air of intimidation and second class citizenship under which they were being forced to live. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six Ah, that changes everything. I guess they were justified in beating up a white kid who had nothing to do with any of it. Spoken like a true Victicrat.

julietsierra -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:07:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy My question to daddysprop is... If six white kids beat one black kid that badly in Jena LA and were similarly prosecuted, would you be as outraged? And if black kids hung up something that has historically been a symbol of terrorism toward white kids, would you be as nonchalante regarding their actions? juliet

julietsierra -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:12:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Estring quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro Pulpsmack: There was an overall air of intimidation against the black kids and the white kids were pointedly being let off the hook for their overtly racist acts. And there's other context to consider here also - there were prior white vs black skirmishes and even a shotgun toting white kid at one point. Do you know how effective mere words are against a shotgun? You are taking one incident out of context and whining about it. Look at the whole story and you will see that the actions of the six were probably provoked and acceptable in the air of intimidation and second class citizenship under which they were being forced to live. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six Ah, that changes everything. I guess they were justified in beating up a white kid who had nothing to do with any of it. Spoken like a true Victicrat. The boy who was beaten up was at the party slinging racial slurs regarding the boys who were involved in the fight. They jumped him because of that. ALL of this was a product of the situation with the tree and nooses and hate crimes being called a high school prank. And it doesn't happen only in Jena. It's happening everywhere. juliet

Estring -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:15:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra quote: ORIGINAL: Estring quote: ORIGINAL: SugarMyChurro Pulpsmack: There was an overall air of intimidation against the black kids and the white kids were pointedly being let off the hook for their overtly racist acts. And there's other context to consider here also - there were prior white vs black skirmishes and even a shotgun toting white kid at one point. Do you know how effective mere words are against a shotgun? You are taking one incident out of context and whining about it. Look at the whole story and you will see that the actions of the six were probably provoked and acceptable in the air of intimidation and second class citizenship under which they were being forced to live. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six Ah, that changes everything. I guess they were justified in beating up a white kid who had nothing to do with any of it. Spoken like a true Victicrat. The boy who was beaten up was at the party slinging racial slurs regarding the boys who were involved in the fight. They jumped him because of that. ALL of this was a product of the situation with the tree and nooses and hate crimes being called a high school prank. And it doesn't happen only in Jena. It's happening everywhere. juliet Even on Mars? How ridiculous can you be?

cyberdude611 -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:17:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: julietsierra The boy who was beaten up was at the party slinging racial slurs regarding the boys who were involved in the fight. They jumped him because of that. ALL of this was a product of the situation with the tree and nooses and hate crimes being called a high school prank. And it doesn't happen only in Jena. It's happening everywhere. juliet Yes it is racist and the white boy was dumb to do that. But that doesnt give the black kids any justification to form a gang and start beating up the kid. That's still illegal and that's why they were charged.

SugarMyChurro -> Be Counted (was RE: Jena 6 Day) (9/20/2007 6:26:02 PM)
Be counted! How many of you would sit under the "white tree"?

bamabbwsub -> RE: Jena 6 Day (9/20/2007 6:33:07 PM)
I personally think that an attempted murder charge in this case is way overboard for the crime(s) committed. Assault? Yes. Violence is violence, and the 6 black kids should be held accountable for their actions. But NOT attempted murder. There is definitely a double-standard in this country when it comes to race, but I feel that it goes both ways. Racism often plays a role in our courtrooms, and black people often get the short end of the stick. However, I -- and perhaps a lot of other people -- do get put out when the NAACP, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al...support someone (like Michael Vick) JUST because of his color. What Michael Vick did was WRONG...it was a CRIME...and he should pay for it. Had it been Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, etc., I'd still feel the same way. Wrong is wrong, whatever color you are. And I think that blindly supporting a person or a group of people just because they are of the same color as you is being as blind to the justice system as those who persecute someone because they are a different color. With that said, however, I do hope that the 6 boys are held accountable, but that the sentence more closely fits the crime -- which, in my not-so-humble opinion, is NOT attempted murder. I also hope that the white kids who incited the racial tensions are also disciplined, as they are culpable as well and should not get off without some sort of punishment.

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