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PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 12:02:19 PM   
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Seriously, read this indepth. I feel so in the dark having not been aware, this is a confirmed 90% deathrate of thier workers tricking people into giving up thier pets, in the confidence they will be finding them new homes. When in actuality they are killing thier poor pets in the van on the way out from thier homes.

Im disgusted and I want more awareness on the subject.

I highly suggest signing the petition to ban PETA's tax exemption.


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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 12:23:59 PM   
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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 12:36:15 PM   
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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 12:41:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I find odd is that the article doesn't even give a viable reason as to why PETA members would go around killing animals. Why would people that risk getting arrested etc go around and do exactly what they are fighting against? The article seems a bit incomplete. . .

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 2:39:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hold on. Let's turn our brains on here. There may be something to it or maybe not. So let's consider for now that all those facts are correct.

Let's say they have killed 14,000 animals. One very important point would be, 14,000 out of how many ? If they "process" 140,000 animals a year, which were given away abandoned or whatever, perhaps they were in great pain or something. That means one in ten of these animals may have simply been put out of their misery.

This is where seeing all sides comes in handy. So what are we talking here ? When you take a pet (ex-pet I guess) to the local APL or animal shelter, it is only kept so long, a matter of days. If not adopted it is euthenised. Doesn't matter how happy or healthy it is.

Now I am not saying I am on PETA's side. If this is true, they should make pet owners aware that their animal will be euthenised. Sometimes the shelter is full up, who knows what other factors come into play. Making pet owners think that their beloved animal will find a good home through their organization when in reality they are going to snap it's neck as soon as they get out of there is just plain wrong.

I agree, we need more facts. It might all be bullshit put out by Vick's lawyer and or other operative. It could also be true that the ranks of PETA are sadistic toward animals and use the organization as a front to get their hands on more victims. We simply do not know at this time.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 2:47:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually this is pretty interesting. When I first read this topic and looked at the site, I was more than a little skeptical. However, I spent a few minutes to look into it, and I found that there is more than a little truth to these allegations. PrincessinLatex had the same question I did: why would they do this?

The answer, it seems, is given by PETA itself. They are openly against the no-kill movement, and they do not try to hide the fact that  they euthanize most animals given to them (http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&form=fac_select&fac_num=157&year=2004 and http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&form=fac_select&fac_num=157&year=2005).

The site the OP mentioned is certainly not completely accurate nor unbiased, but there has been a fair amount of questionable and possibly criminal activity by PETA and its employees (http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1420). One of the bigger scandals was when it was found PETA employees had dumped the bodies of over 80 euthanized animals is dumpsters (Wikipedia). The animals were euthanized immediately after being taken from local shelters and then dumped in local dumpsters forthwith (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL).

Moreover, the US DEA is investigating PETA's use and handling of euthanasia drugs (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839509/posts).

The BBB has also concluded PETA does not meet certain "...Charity Accountability standards" (http://charityreports.bbb.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=1160).

Finally the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has determined that PETA funds and supports terrorist organizations and activities(http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_5.pdf).

Wikipedia has a good article on PETA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA), but I would recommend going to see the references they cite for a more impartial viewpoint.

All in all, I'm glad you started this thread; it really was most enlightening.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 4:13:53 PM   
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Actually this is pretty interesting. When I first read this topic and looked at the site, I was more than a little skeptical. However, I spent a few minutes to look into it, and I found that there is more than a little truth to these allegations. PrincessinLatex had the same question I did: why would they do this?

The answer, it seems, is given by PETA itself. They are openly against the no-kill movement, and they do not try to hide the fact that  they euthanize most animals given to them (http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&form=fac_select&fac_num=157&year=2004 and http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi?link_select=facility&form=fac_select&fac_num=157&year=2005).

The site the OP mentioned is certainly not completely accurate nor unbiased, but there has been a fair amount of questionable and possibly criminal activity by PETA and its employees (http://www.lincolntribune.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1420). One of the bigger scandals was when it was found PETA employees had dumped the bodies of over 80 euthanized animals is dumpsters (Wikipedia). The animals were euthanized immediately after being taken from local shelters and then dumped in local dumpsters forthwith (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL).

Moreover, the US DEA is investigating PETA's use and handling of euthanasia drugs (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839509/posts).

The BBB has also concluded PETA does not meet certain "...Charity Accountability standards" (http://charityreports.bbb.org/Public/Report.aspx?CharityID=1160).

Finally the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works has determined that PETA funds and supports terrorist organizations and activities(http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_5.pdf).

Wikipedia has a good article on PETA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETA), but I would recommend going to see the references they cite for a more impartial viewpoint.

All in all, I'm glad you started this thread; it really was most enlightening.


Wow beat me to it, the original site I've given is full of alot of biased information I will admit. Ive been reading into all this after I found it, but I will say they have alot of good reason to BE biased.

According to trial testimony (yes there was a trial of two of the PETA "addoption center" workers) the people who gave up thier animals where TOLD, "Yes we'll start looking for homes for these adorable kittens today. What are their names?" only to euthinize the mother cat and kittens IN THE VAN on the way out from the home. They had no intention of finding homes for these animals. On top of that the forensic evidence dosn't show any of the animals had any illnesses that would cuase them to be euthonized in the first place.

So dispite the biased opinion of petakillsanimals.com its something there to open people's eyes to what PETA are definatly keep quiet about. It seems terribly cultish and disturbing to me.

So yes, as far as how much that bridge goes doll, Im sure its very far outa my price range unless your thinking about decent payment plan <3


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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 4:17:25 PM   
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What I find odd is that the article doesn't even give a viable reason as to why PETA members would go around killing animals. Why would people that risk getting arrested etc go around and do exactly what they are fighting against? The article seems a bit incomplete. . .


As for their reasons? PETA openly advertises to stop breeders breeding in my area's newspaper, and openly advocate the lowering the number of domestic animals in america and elsewhere. Lets not forget the founder of PETA actualy quoted saying "I hope it comes here" when asked about the Foot and Mouth epidemic.

They seem fully against any animals that come in contact with humans. There seems to be alot of hidden agenda behind thier ways, and in the case against the workers killing the animals, they openly admited it was cheaper to kill the animals then to shelter and rehouse them.


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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 4:22:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have never been a fan of PETA. Fanaticism even over a good cause is still fanaticism. Still, I am shocked by the story.
It is also interesting how the people on here who consider themselves from "the open minded side", so readily dismiss a story that goes against what they believe. 

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 4:31:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		that is not nessisarily true , the animal control shelter here where I volunteered kept a dog for 3 months before it was sent to a foster home. It's not automatic that animals are killed after 4 days. a lot of times an animal is kept for months if it's not adopted, and then sent to foster care. If an animal don't pass behavior evaluation, like it's agressive, or it bites, or it attacks another animal or what ever reason, yeah it might get put down, cause they can not adopt or rescue out agressive animals. sometimes it happens that animals are euthinized after 5 days but not always.
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When you take a pet (ex-pet I guess) to the local APL or animal shelter, it is only kept so long, a matter of days. If not adopted it is euthenised. Doesn't matter how happy or healthy it is.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 5:40:48 PM   
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So dispite the biased opinion of petakillsanimals.com its something there to open people's eyes to what PETA are definatly keep quiet about. It seems terribly cultish and disturbing to me.



I agree that PETA has a horrible record, and they should be stopped; what is most troubling to me are their ties with terrorist organizations.

I was just pointing out that I could have easily noted the biased way PETAkillsanimals.com is written and completely disregarded the matter. I think the best way to illustrate PETA's record to the general public would be to present clear evidence in a logical and consistant manner. I believe that would be infinately more convincing than PETAkillsanimals.com, which, despite its good intentions of bringing to light the unethical and criminal activities of PETA, might be desregarded by some people.

Anyway, I am not saying that PETAkillsanimals.com is a bad site, but merely, that I think they could convince more people if they changed their tone somewhat. In any event, the link with terrorist organizations and other illegal activites should prompt further investigation, and, hopefully at the least, their removal from charity status.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 5:50:49 PM   
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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 6:07:58 PM   
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What I find odd is that the article doesn't even give a viable reason as to why PETA members would go around killing animals. Why would people that risk getting arrested etc go around and do exactly what they are fighting against? The article seems a bit incomplete. . .


As for their reasons? PETA openly advertises to stop breeders breeding in my area's newspaper, and openly advocate the lowering the number of domestic animals in america and elsewhere. Lets not forget the founder of PETA actualy quoted saying "I hope it comes here" when asked about the Foot and Mouth epidemic.

They seem fully against any animals that come in contact with humans. There seems to be alot of hidden agenda behind thier ways, and in the case against the workers killing the animals, they openly admited it was cheaper to kill the animals then to shelter and rehouse them.





I googled around a bit,and found this.Read it through,and you`ll find that Penn & Teller`s position on euthinasia, is identical to PETA`s position.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=77814

It`s a relpy from the webmaster at FSTDT.com,who is a PETA activist.She dispells some of the bullshit being thrown around.

I suspect that CCF is an industry group,posing as a consumer group.There site also has an anti-vegetarian positions/myths,and other things the food industry would like you to believe.

There are fake groups that pose as consumer advocates,fighting for your right to smoke,eat trans-fat,and Aspartame,junk food,etc.Accept there`s no grass-root organization.Rather it`s a PR group,funded by industry and corporate America,pretending to be consumer advocates.

They just want to counter movies like "Supersize Me",and others like it.But they can`t do it on the up and up.They have to hide there true agenda,with a "we`re the good guys" label,like a consumer group.

I have no problem with industry telling their side,but why the deception?


Like this one.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/

and
http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/summer96/insert.html

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 6:21:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		 Does anyone know how many healthy dogs and cats are put down every year,by your local shelters?Does anyone care? Didn`t think so.

Well,over ten million.That`s right,million with a "M".

Does anyone know how these animals are put down?Does anyone even care?News flash...The cheapest way possible.Doesn`t matter how inhumane or cruel.

Could it be that PETA is trying provide a humane way to do this(the NC case not withstanding)?

Could it be that the fake consumer group,CCF is using the Michael Vick story,to further their anti-PETA agenda?

I think PETA ,for all their faults,is a victim of swiftboating.


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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 6:30:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with most of what Owner59 has said. In fact, euthanasia is not bad in and of itself, and its use the way PETA advocates is also not necessarily bad. However, what I do not like is the deception that PETA uses to further its goals. It is one thing to educate people on controlling animal populations and to implement euthansia protocols to that end. Unfortunately. PETA, through its actions, seems to have decided that deception and illegal activites are neceesary to acheive its goals. There have been documented instances of PETA employees euthanizing an animal within hours of picking it up from its previous owner under the pretense of finding it a new home. This is obtaining property under false pretenses; not only is this immoral, it is illegal. Moreover, PETA gave more than $70,000 to an ALF member after burning down a Michigan state research lab (http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_11.pdf). While, some of PETA's points may hold validity, I think PETA's actions have negated any credence PETA might have had.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 6:54:21 PM   
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I agree with most of what Owner59 has said. In fact, euthanasia is not bad in and of itself, and its use the way PETA advocates is also not necessarily bad. However, what I do not like is the deception that PETA uses to further its goals. It is one thing to educate people on controlling animal populations and to implement euthansia protocols to that end. Unfortunately. PETA, through its actions, seems to have decided that deception and illegal activites are neceesary to acheive its goals. There have been documented instances of PETA employees euthanizing an animal within hours of picking it up from its previous owner under the pretense of finding it a new home. This is obtaining property under false pretenses; not only is this immoral, it is illegal. Moreover, PETA gave more than $70,000 to an ALF member after burning down a Michigan state research lab (http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_11.pdf). While, some of PETA's points may hold validity, I think PETA's actions have negated any credence PETA might have had.


Peta is a far left,radical outfit,and they admit it.If they brake any law,I`m for PETA getting what`s coming.

But I don`t want to see swiftboating  efforts against PETA,by people who could give two shits about how animals are treated.Namely,the food industry,which BTW,fund CCF,and the PETAKILLSANIMALS.com bullshit.  

The agenda here, is not to save dogs,far from it.But rather to fight PETA,and their affective anti-meat campaign.CCF and PETAKILLSANIMALS.com are abusing people`s natural sympathy for dogs and cats,and bamboozling folks with a very sophisticated ad campaign.

To me,fake outrage is one of the worst types of lie.It`s premeditated,calculated,and nothing more then theatrics.


Notice how they want people to stop sending PETA donations?
And though they`re fully funded and back-rolled,they have a donations link.Very sophisticated.



That aside,PETA makes very valid points.

Like, the reason there`s 10 millon dogs and cats killed every year,just in America.

One reason is puppy mills and breeders,who could care less how many puppy and kitten souls they bring into this world.As long as they make money,fuck the rest.

Not all shelter animals are mixed/mutt strays.Many are products of the breeding industry.Which btw,has been funding anti-PETA efforts for years.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 7:49:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I concur; these are groups whose primary agendas are not necessarily to improve animal welfare, and I certainly do not condone their methods or deceptive practives either. However, I believe that PETA is just as bad as those groups in playing on people's sympathy.

PETA is guilty of gross misrepresentation of the facts surrounding everything from the disposition of the animals they take to the facts about animal research. In one particular instance they claimed that cats were being embalmed alive at a particular facility, which, of course turned out to be false. They make unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations and exaggerate the truth to well beyond the point of slander. It just seems to me that PETA itself is one big lie, and I have absolutely no respect for them, especially with their president openyl advocating violence to further the cause.

Anyway, I apologize if that seems like a rant. Please understand, I completely agree that many anti-PETA organizations are motivated by profit, and I am equally repulsed by their deceptive tactics. However, my point was that PETA is, in my opinion, no better than them.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 8:27:54 PM   
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I concur; these are groups whose primary agendas are not necessarily to improve animal welfare, and I certainly do not condone their methods or deceptive practives either. However, I believe that PETA is just as bad as those groups in playing on people's sympathy.

PETA is guilty of gross misrepresentation of the facts surrounding everything from the disposition of the animals they take to the facts about animal research. In one particular instance they claimed that cats were being embalmed alive at a particular facility, which, of course turned out to be false. They make unfounded and unsubstantiated accusations and exaggerate the truth to well beyond the point of slander. It just seems to me that PETA itself is one big lie, and I have absolutely no respect for them, especially with their president openyl advocating violence to further the cause.

Anyway, I apologize if that seems like a rant. Please understand, I completely agree that many anti-PETA organizations are motivated by profit, and I am equally repulsed by their deceptive tactics. However, my point was that PETA is, in my opinion, no better than them.


 However, I believe that PETA is just as bad as those groups in playing on people's sympathy.
 
  Agreed.I don`t like the blood/red paint throwing, on people wearing fur.

But I don`t think people should be allowed to be  ignorant of the cruelty animals suffer at the hands of men.

Skinning animals alive(to save money),vivisection, bad living conditions and the poor health of the animals.(eating sick animals is not a good idea,btw),for example.

Who is going to mention these things?Certainly not the main-stream media.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 10:45:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		In  all the shelter's I know of personally, their injected with something that stops their heart. The vets around here that have to put an animal to sleep, do the same thing, and while I dunno if you can claim it's painless, it's quick and It's " not what ever method is cheapest" The animals are often held and talked to while they're being injected

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Does anyone know how these animals are put down?Does anyone even care?News flash...The cheapest way possible.Doesn`t matter how inhumane or cruel.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/21/2007 11:32:41 PM   
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In  all the shelter's I know of personally, their injected with something that stops their heart. The vets around here that have to put an animal to sleep, do the same thing, and while I dunno if you can claim it's painless, it's quick and It's " not what ever method is cheapest" The animals are often held and talked to while they're being injected

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Does anyone know how these animals are put down?Does anyone even care?News flash...The cheapest way possible.Doesn`t matter how inhumane or cruel.



Usually, it`s an OD of anesthesia.Painless and peaceful.If the shelters you know of use this method,then that`s the best one can do.

But not all shelters do that.Many,far to many, use poison gas,or a gun,or worse.

PETA`s aim is to provide the humane way of euthanasia.They help hundreds,if not thousands of shelters, do the right thing.

And for that,PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.has the gall to accuse them of wholesale killing of dogs.Claiming that PETA is promising people that their dog won`t be killed,only to kill the animal.Like some sinister "Soylent Green" movie.lol

And, the people funding, and operating PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,haven`t the faintest interest in helping 
dogs.If they were,they`d be helping to place dogs,in loving homes.That`s the problem,to many dogs and not enough homes.

Because of the sheer amount of dogs,10 mil. a year are killed.It`s a horrible reality,that few know about.Do you think CCFor PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,cares about that?
For PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,to exploit this tragedy,is horrible and evil.

I`m disgusted by the tactics of PETAKILLSANIMALS.com.They are no better than liars or crooks.

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