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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 8:18:52 AM   
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Tots' bunny nabbed in circus protest




A pet rabbit named Sugar Bunny was stolen from a preschool and fliers protesting circus animal acts were left in its empty cage.

The preschool's children gathered in a circle Monday to remember Sugar Bunny.
"We talked about how some people have different ideas about animals," said teacher Lori Peters.
"Some people don't think they should be in cages."

Sugar Bunny vanished from the Community Building Children's Center on Saturday, teachers said.
"Somebody stoled him," 5-year-old Zion told The Spokesman-Review, which gave only the first names of him and other children in a report on the heist. "I'm sad."

The fliers expressed protests against the Ringling Brothers Circus, which was in town during the weekend, and had a picture of a bear trying to escape from a cage. The fliers bore the names of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and the Northwest Animal Rights Network.

Daphna Nachminovitch, director of PETA's domestic animal department, said the group would not endorse stealing a pet bunny.

"Just like dogs and cats, (rabbits) have been domesticated, so we encourage people who have the knowledge and ability to adopt rabbits from their local shelters," Nachminovitch said.
It's unclear whether the preschool will find a new pet, Peters said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070925/ap_on_fe_st/odd_rabbit_theft&printer=1;_ylt=AmBJbU8nX1nMeNlVmA77o98uQE4F


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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 8:24:32 AM   
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There was a HBO feature,w/ a guy going to a dog purchasing event(in the south),where dogs were "bunched",the 1st step on their way to hell.


He had a Shepard,a nice gentle,playful pup.He walked around the event(which was huge,like football field sized),with the dog on a leash,and a hidden camera.

He went up to every buyer,asking how much.
Every guy said,"25 bucks,that`s all I can give you."

There were thousands of dogs there,created in huge metal trailers,baking in the sun,and all doomed.

The guy taped some "buyers" tossing dead dogs out of the trailers,that died from the heat,lack of water,no air.Who knows how many made it to the lab,for who knows what,then to be killed and dissected?

These dogs don`t make the list,and who know how many are lost this way?

The criminals who go to these"bunching events"are the real bad guys.They are the bottom feeders who answer the "free,to a good home ads,where people really do think that their kitten is going to a good home.But the dogs and cats don`t go to good homes.Rather,they go into stainless steel cages,and many suffer long slow deaths.

Who,but PETA, is doing anything about that?


the documentary was titled "Dealing in Dogs" and was funded/filmed/produced by the activist group "Last Chance For Animals", not PETA. REPEAT:  PETA was not involved in the documentary or in the successful prosecution and conviction of folks they investigated.  they are actively seeking donations and volunteers for their ongoing investigations and projects.
learn more here:
http://www.lastchanceforanimals.com/

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 9:02:54 AM   
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Another reason I don't like PETA - people get so worked up about PETA that they completely ignore/forget or just plain don't see how many other animal protection groups are out there making a difference. This "Last chance" group sounds pretty cool.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 9:23:56 AM   
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 Merc,

Wasn`t saying that PETA was part of the the HBO special.Just mentioned that in reference to the numbers of pooches lost every year.
Thanks for the link.

PETA is however,very involved in stopping where those doomed dogs go,ie. the medical research labs/animal testing outfits.

Without that draw,that suction,that demand of dogs and cats,there would be no events like the one shown in the film.There would be no "bunchers",or the lower than dirt people,who get/steal/"adopt"/pick up off the street,the dogs and cats and bring them to the "bunchers" for a payday.

The medical research industry claims to be on the up and up.But that is complete bullshit.We know that.We can do better.

Saw a show in PBS some years ago,about animal research.

It dealt with issues like the same experiments ,being done over and over(endlessly,for years),not because of knowledge being gained,but b/c they got money for every animal used(abusedIMO) and the data they gathered.

This particular experiment was what happens to monkeys ,after a severe head injury.

The animal was in some sort of rack(made of metal),w/ the waist clamped,the legs clamped and arms to.The animals head was held with another big metal ring.

The monkey did not have any pain meds or anything to help in that regard,and was wide awake.

Just over it was a swinging weight on a long pendulum,with one edge sharpened.Not really sharp,more like plow blade.

As the monkey is held helpless,the arm is released ,the wright falls,cleanly knocking off the top of the monkey`s skull.

Of course the animal starts to yelp and scream,but can`t move,even a little.

As the monkey dies,they record the vital signs,levels,etc.
Then they do it again,and again.I was reminded about that show,when I saw the 2nd "Silence of The Lambs",when Ray Liotta got served(literally),in the same way the monkey did.

I hear people say that we need to do this research,to help humans.
I`m not convinced.

I also hear there are better and more accurate ways to do research,and that animal research provides little benefit,compared the the amount of animals torn apart every year.

I`ve heard people say that no amount of dogs and cats killed ,is to high,when it comes to possible,future medical breakthroughs.

I don`t agree,we can do better.

Another issue,that only PETA has brought up,was/is the use of dogs as practice models,for the  military medical corps.They shoot dogs,in order to get practice in how to treat gun shot wounds.Poor things,we can do better.

I believe that the 2 things I just mentioned are wrong.We don`t have to shoot dogs,to learn how to treat battle field wounds.And I don`t think that endless,repeated, and outdated animal experiments, and vivisection,is right either.

My best to beth.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 9:45:18 AM   
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I also hear there are better and more accurate ways to do research,and that animal research provides little benefit,compared the the amount of animals torn apart every year.


That is bullshit. When it comes to the big stuff, AIDS, cancer, so on... we need animals to test. It really fucking sucks. I will be the first to say that it really fucking sucks. I don't like it. I really hate it. I want there to be another way. But I think the number of human lives it will save outweighs that so until PETA starts doing their own tests to find a suitable way to test cures for these diseases (which will have to be on some sort of living tissue), it really doesn't matter how much someone stands there going "shame, shame".
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Another issue,that only PETA has brought up,was/is the use of dogs as practice models,for the  military medical corps.They shoot dogs,in order to get practice in how to treat gun shot wounds.Poor things,we can do better.


Yes. It sucks. But I still don't think PETA bringing that up outweighs the harm that PETA does.

PETA brings up issues. They also do it without ever considering the other side. I don't like the idea of shooting dogs at all. But I also realize that these people have to get practice at treating wounds. Maybe it would be better if they were put in an ER in the bad side of DC. That would get them plenty of practice. But PETA isn't looking to find ways to resolve the issue. They simply want to demonize. Real animal groups will work with people to find a way to resolve the issue so that the animals aren't being hurt and the practice that is so needed, still happens.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 9:51:41 AM   
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Merc,
Wasn`t saying that PETA was part of the the HBO special.Just mentioned that in reference to the numbers of pooches lost every year.
Thanks for the link...

Owner 59,
A point of information...
That post was completely beth.

I know it surprises some but she and I are NOT politically, spiritually, and many other '...ally's" in agreement. For example; my attitude regarding animals is that, per the Western God source document - the Bible, man was given "dominion" over all. Meaning that if Mike Vick wanted to run a dog training school for fighting pit bulls - they were his to do with as he pleased. If people go to pounds and buy a dozen puppies to use as chum or bait for shark fishing - so be it. I wouldn't do either and beth says in reality I'm a kind sensitive person (what does she know!), but if okay with God - who am I to challenge.

Getting back to my beth, in many regards we couldn't be more philosophically in opposition. beth's intelligence, conversational skills, and her mental prowess stimulate and intrigue me as much as her physical attributes. My rules for her do not include a requirement to agree with me or take on my philosophy. If she has any "rule" in that regard its NOT to be a 'head-bobber'. I know I've been wrong, am wrong, and will be wrong on many subjects and issues. If I can't rely and trust the one person I trust with every aspect of my life to argue, debate, challenge, point out a different perspective or flat out tell me I'm wrong; how could I trust her at all? On the other hand, if she believed that any disclosure of her beliefs would result in ending our relationship how can she trust me with her most personal sentiments and private needs? Agreement is never a requirement for a relationship - respect is.

Sorry about the confusing about who's posting. It a function of only having one profile between us. The "key" to knowing who posts is that she always posts in purple and always uses third person speech.

Regarding PETA - I love them! I love their naked celebrity advertisements, and all their very visual protests. Hell, last year while we were given someone a "tour" of the area around the Kodak theater there was a PETA group "protesting" animal experiments by having young bikini clad woman "wrestle" in tofu! It generated a donation from me.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 9:55:33 AM   
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Another reason I don't like PETA - people get so worked up about PETA that they completely ignore/forget or just plain don't see how many other animal protection groups are out there making a difference. This "Last chance" group sounds pretty cool.


Aqua,
if you plan to watch the show "Dealing in Dogs"...be prepared for some pretty horrific stuff.
this slave was doing her insomniac thing one night while we were visiting the other coast, flipping channels and came across the documentary on HBO in progress--didn't know what it was, but here was this guy "undercover" at one of these places that inhumanely treats dogs.  he had a hidden camera in his shirt pocket.  this slave literally had to go to the bathroom and cry/vomit/wail, (so as not to disturb Master's sleep) over the things she witnessed, sobbing uncontrollably when returning.
this slave has an awesome respect for the guy that went undercover like that...to maintain that persona long enough to get those bastards dead to rights...this slave couldn't have maintained composure like that for one minute, not to mention weeks.
speaking of PETA...we were in Hollywood, some movie premiere at the El Capitan across from Mann's and they were on the corner holding signs with two girls in string bikini's "Tofu wrestling" in a little plastic pool.  this slave's take...they are just as fake and fanatical as the rest of Hollywood.

Edited to add: (Merc) HA - That's my image of PETA - String bikini Tofu wrestling!
 
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See - beth loved it too!

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:04:45 AM   
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Got a link? A source? Cuz I`m not going to take your word for it.If you have one ,post it.


I get it.  You want to stay in denial about PETA so you've decided to disbelieve the quotes, including a voice recording of a PETA campaign director and citations of speeches with locations and dates.  I'm not making this shit up.  Neither are they; those are their real views, as published.  If you want to see for yourself you can start by checking courttvnews.com and move on to other news databases, including warnings released by government agencies about the seriousness of the domestic terrorism threat from the extreme animal rights front.  But I suppose according to you there are no trustworthy sources, everyone's been taken over by Corporate America which is united in anti-PETA conspiracy. 


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Perhaps a vid of what you claim?A real reporter,documenting what you claim.Or those things, stated in PETA literature or their website?


Audio file of his rather distinctive voice not good enough for you?  I get it.  You're a fruitcake, and it doesn't matter what proof people show you, you're going to keep claiming we made it all up and PETA is completely innocent. 

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You also linked PETA to a terrorist group.I asked for proof that PETA gave them money,after the FBI put the group on the terrorist list.Never heard back.Is that b/c it`s not true?


You could have easily found it yourself.  Since your purpose is not to find out the truth but to continue spouting PETA apologist bullshit, someone else found it for you.  http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_5.pdf   But hey, I'm sure the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works is not a good enough source for you.  They might be making stuff up. 


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I need more than soup and salad.


We obviously have dessert here already.  Fruitcake with extra nuts.  

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:09:29 AM   
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I don't think I could bare to watch the show! I have a hard time watching "Animal Cops" even though I'm addicted to it. Again, go SPCA!

I do want to look into the group though. I'm not in a situation where I can help relieve the burdon on shelters by fostering an animal so I like to make donations when I can. Not in a situation where I have a lot of money to spare either but they say every little bit helps!

I'm with you about PETA being fanatical and fake. Their "Holocaust On Your Plate" ad campaign really turned me off from them. It just doesn't compare at all. I mean... how low and immoral do you have to be to compare killing chickens to something where millions of people were killed and tortured emotionally? Every time I hear about those ads, I just think of an interview of a Holocaust victim. She was a child and she and other children were crying for their parents. The officers pointed up at the sky, at the black clouds, laughed and said "There are your parents!"

*shudder*

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:16:32 AM   
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Got a link? A source? Cuz I`m not going to take your word for it.If you have one ,post it.


I get it.  You want to stay in denial about PETA so you've decided to disbelieve the quotes, including a voice recording of a PETA campaign director and citations of speeches with locations and dates.  I'm not making this shit up.  Neither are they; those are their real views, as published.  If you want to see for yourself you can start by checking courttvnews.com and move on to other news databases, including warnings released by government agencies about the seriousness of the domestic terrorism threat from the extreme animal rights front.  But I suppose according to you there are no trustworthy sources, everyone's been taken over by Corporate America which is united in anti-PETA conspiracy. 


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Perhaps a vid of what you claim?A real reporter,documenting what you claim.Or those things, stated in PETA literature or their website?


Audio file of his rather distinctive voice not good enough for you?  I get it.  You're a fruitcake, and it doesn't matter what proof people show you, you're going to keep claiming we made it all up and PETA is completely innocent. 

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You also linked PETA to a terrorist group.I asked for proof that PETA gave them money,after the FBI put the group on the terrorist list.Never heard back.Is that b/c it`s not true?


You could have easily found it yourself.  Since your purpose is not to find out the truth but to continue spouting PETA apologist bullshit, someone else found it for you.  http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Exhibit_5.pdf   But hey, I'm sure the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works is not a good enough source for you.  They might be making stuff up. 


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I need more than soup and salad.


We obviously have dessert here already.  Fruitcake with extra nuts.  


And a nice side-dish of bullshit,

from  PETAKILLSANIMALS.com 

Bon appetite....

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:17:55 AM   
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Did you take a look at the links that I posted yesterday?

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:22:22 AM   
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And a nice side-dish of bullshit,

from  PETAKILLSANIMALS.com 

Bon appetite....


Woohoo! One site goes overboard about it so PETA must be saints! Ignore the evidence presented by US Senate! Ignore the tax records that Penn & Teller so helpfully dug up for us! Ignore the words that come out of PETA's own mouth! Ignore everything bad that they do because they bring up issues that other groups bring up as well and they resolve the issues peacefully without threatening anyone!

By the way, you seriously might want to watch Penn & Teller. They cite source all the time. Course, you won't like what the sources have to say. I mean, hey.. a video of PETA reps teaching people how to make firebombs? It doesn't exist, even though I'm watching it right now!

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:55:57 AM   
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 Yes and to a site,they are all industry funded,fake "consumer groups".
Do you know how much bullshit and lies, an unlimited budget will buy you?There are tons of anti-peta webs sites on the web.I haven`t found one yet,that doesn`t look fishy.And with my BS detector out and running(b/c of PETAKILLSANIMALS.com),I`m really looking at the edges and small print.
That CCF outfit,was the food industry front group(ie fake consumer advocacy group),that ran the PETAKILLSANIMALS.com ads,and put up the web page.

Did you read my posts ? 

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I don`t need to repeat myself.

One example of just what kind of bullshit you can buy,and sell to the general public,is the "Al Gore claims to have invented the Internet"lie.
You`d have to know about politics,or be a republican,to have heard the BS story of how VP Al Gore made a claim that he "invented the Internet".

That never happened,not even close.But millions of Americans think that the story is true.Why?How can a rouse be pulled on so many folks?

The answer,dirty PR tricks,fake grass roots political websites,ad campaigns and repetition,repetition,repetition.With literally millions to spend.Whole ,fully staffed offices and media operations,who`s soul task is to spread falsehoods,half lies,lies,and myths.

Just look how successful,the republicans were at convincing folks,about the Al Gore lie.

The folks going after PETA are just as well funded,full of dirty tricks,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,and aren`t there for the dogs and cats.
This I know.
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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 10:57:23 AM   
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The folks going after PETA are just as well funded,full of dirty tricks,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,and aren`t there for the dogs and cats.
This I know.
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Yup. Because using the words and video clips of what PETA folks have actually said and done and their own tax records is just so underhanded.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 11:01:20 AM   
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The folks going after PETA are just as well funded,full of dirty tricks,like PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,and aren`t there for the dogs and cats.
This I know.
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Yup. Because using the words and video clips of what PETA folks have actually said and done and their own tax records is just so underhanded.


All those dirty tricks,like on PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,do have an affect,and a pay off.Hey,someone has to play the dupe,just don`t ask me too.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 11:03:07 AM   
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If peta wants to be taken seriously ...Where do you draw the line?

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 11:05:22 AM   
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All those dirty tricks,like on PETAKILLSANIMALS.com,do have an affect,and a pay off.Hey,someone has to play the dupe,just don`t ask me too.


Try PETA's own press releases - including the videos of PETA speeches that PETA puts out.

I'm not getting my information from that site, I've never looked at it. I'm getting it from PETA folks and what they have said in interviews, press releases, and speeches. And since the head of PETA is a self-admitted media slut, she would be all over a lawsuit about people pretending to be PETA reps.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 11:24:58 AM   
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If peta wants to be taken seriously ...Where do you draw the line?

http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp


I`m not a peta member and don`t like everything they do.Not going to mess w/ speech rights either.At least PETA isn`t hiding behind a front group,like the food industry group CCF,who put out the PETAKILLSANIMALS.com thing.

If they get embarrassed b/c of an ad or comic,so be it.Tough.

I`ve seen children's comics,depicting Catholic priests,who have secret passage ways from the priests quarters,to the nunnery,so the they can have sex,fornicate,etc.There was a colored diagram of the passages and rooms.In the middle of the under ground tunnel was a secrete room,where the dead babies were put.Stacked up like lumber in the corners.

This comic,and hundreds like it,were being sold in a "Christian" store,here in Jersey.This is a myth that the born-again ,evangelical,anti-Catholic types peddle,and is absolutely digesting and wrong.But legal.They take the risk of being exposed as bigots,in order to sell those lies.

I don`t like children being targets either,but they are.




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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 1:45:08 PM   
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And a nice side-dish of bullshit,

from PETAKILLSANIMALS.com

Bon appetite...


Screw that site, dude! Your railing it is a diversion, and you know it! Support what you have to say, or go back home to your bridge, where trolls belong! I definitely smell the bullshit around here, but it's definitely not the anti-PETA data.

Okay, so you think that site is bullshit, we get it. But the discussion is not about a specific site. It's about PETA. A lot of people have posted a lot of verifiable information, but all you can fallback on is lambasting a website? Weak.

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RE: PETA - The REAL killers - 9/25/2007 1:55:56 PM   
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I`ve seen children's comics,depicting Catholic priests,who have secret passage ways from the priests quarters,to the nunnery,so the they can have sex,fornicate,etc.There was a colored diagram of the passages and rooms.In the middle of the under ground tunnel was a secrete room,where the dead babies were put.Stacked up like lumber in the corners.

This comic,and hundreds like it,were being sold in a "Christian" store,here in Jersey.This is a myth that the born-again ,evangelical,anti-Catholic types peddle,and is absolutely digesting and wrong.But legal.They take the risk of being exposed as bigots,in order to sell those lies.

I don`t like children being targets either,but they are.


So because some other group does it, it makes it okay?

Because anti-abortion fanatics bomb clinics, it justifies PETA promoting criminal activity as well?

Dude, stop and think about your logic here.

I also have a new challenge for you. Put down your politics, and just look at data. Don't think "oh this data was found by funding from evil big business, therefore it's evil too!" Just look at data, that has been provided, from goverment agencies even, and has been supplied by PETA themselves, and form an opinion based on facts. Not how you feel, not because of politics, but cold, hard, impartial data.


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