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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 3:00:24 AM   
michelleryder


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Calling someone fats more schoolkid stuff maybe??

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 7:34:20 AM   
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I have a question for slaves/subs/masos that enjoy humilation play. Why does it seem that, for most, the word 'fat' is completely off limits?
I have recently started talking to a local Dom who happens to like pig play, a lot. I have never done pig play. I have talked to one or two Doms about it in the past. It is not a very popular kink, it seems.
But it surely does fit the humilation play theme, doesn't it?
Why is calling me fat such an offlimits thing? I mean, really, I am morbidly obese. There can be no question of the honesty of the comment. How would others feel about being called, for instance, a 'fat pig'?


Hi tsatske : )
   "individual kink" is such an interesting animal..
who the heck knows why some things are a turn on to some and a turn off to others....just is, I suppose.
  I'm sure our past demons have a certain amt to do with how we can deal with things now..
   Kudos to you for being able to embrace yours, as you can.. : )
 
Tempting said:
   Because as a general rule, I think that society has supplied all the humiliation an overweight person can take on an almost daily basis..I mean would you really want to experience any kink 24/7?..Tempting

and that really stuck out to me... great point Tempting : )
 
In our relationship, degradation has no place.  Its HIS preference ( insistance actually ) and one of the ( many ) things that made us compatible.. We share similar views and feelings about what feels good and empowers us as individuals, emotionally and mentally.  And He feels very strongly that everything we "do" is going to empower and strengthen ..not weaken or break (harm).
 To some, degradation does feel good and might even empower.....I respect that.
for me...for Him   it doesnt.
 
I guess what He and I define as degradating words, is like the individual kink thing...just our definition : ) ... 
stupid....fat..fat pig..ugly....cunt ( can I type that here? ) ... prick...imbecile...
just not something you will hear either of us call the other.
 
Humiliation>  once upon a time> I wouldn't have considered doing many of the things I find myself doing ( gladly and devotedly) now..and would  probably have "called" them humiliating..
I realize now> that one persons humiliation is another persons expression of devotion and deep surrender..
 
 
 
 






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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 8:03:45 AM   
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People who dislike being called 'fat' are most likely associating the word with 'undesirable'. Being wanted, is what many people crave, not to feel as if they are unwanted, so it's just about realizing what terms or actions trigger those feelings.

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 9:06:19 AM   
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Because people don't like to face the truth.

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 12:41:57 PM   
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FUCK!

i thought this was going to be about something else.

Wanna buy some cookies?

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 1:00:01 PM   
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I love verbal humiliation. I can be called anything, and it'll turn me on. And even though I am overweight, fat is not off limits to me. I mean, it's the truth, right, so why pretend I'm not?

There is a difference between being called fat during a scene, and being called fat in every day life. That's when it turns into abuse. And that's when I'll leave.

Sure, I used to have self-esteem issues, but being called fat doesn't make me go back to that. I figure if the person I'm with didn't like the way I looked, they'd leave.


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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 1:04:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Because people don't like to face the truth.


i have to beg to disagree here with this statement.  i think it's the fact that most of us have negative connotations associated with the word "Fat" which is why we have so much disdain for it.  When i read this article it occurred to me that i had never actually looked up the word "Fat" in the dictionary. And why should i? i know what it means don't i?  And then when i took myself out of the equation, took my own experiences out of the equation, i had nothing concrete to reference. So, i was forced to look it up on dictionary.com.  i was somewhat shocked to realize that perhaps only four or five of the definitions (out of 29) were about a person's body size. 
i think for most of us it's a result of the interactions we've had with the word previously.  For example, in the past i had issues with the word 'whore'.  i couldn't stand to be called that, couldn't stand to hear people joke about it, there was nothing appealing about it and nothing proud in it.  And then it occurred to me that the issue i have with the word, is a result of my past.  Being called that for the first 19 years of my life, will apparently have that kind of an impact on a person.  And honestly, it wasn't until one day at work (i was joking around with a couple of men who i highly respect) one of them looked at me and called me a 'filthy whore'.  And from that time on, it lost all of it's stigmatization.  It became just another word like: bitch, slut, cunt, etc. etc. 
i'll admit i really enjoy humiliation (both verbal and physical), and while i'm growing more and more okay with myself, i'm not sure i'd be okay with Him calling me fat.  And i'm sure i wouldn't be okay with Him calling me stupid.  For most of the same reasons i had an issue with the word whore.  However, the reality is if He wanted to call me those things, i probably wouldn't object as He's in control.  And i also know He cares about me and my self esteem so much that if i were to tell Him it was an issue for me we'd definitely talk about it before He began to use that word.
The fat word? i'm not sure about... Although one thing i do know for sure, is He wouldn't like it if i were saying it about myself..So, eh...

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 1:47:30 PM   
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As someone who shed 85 pounds in the last two years (the healthy way, by getting off my ass and turning off the tv),  I wouldn't enjoy being called fat in a sexual situation.  I calls em likes I sees em tho and the truth is, skinny people don't seem to mind being called skinny.  We show our priorities in the way we behave, look, what we put our attention to, etc.  Our society makes fat women feel invisible and asexual.  I've been on both sides throughout my life and when I lost 50#, I noticed a huge change in the level of attention I received, from both men and women.  I kinda scared me at first because I was so used to being ignored, but I missed it...being told I am pretty.  Whatever turns you on, I say.  I think it wise that we (we are the "society" and "community" after all!) are more open to different types of bodies being attractive.  I never, ever had a problem getting or keeping a guy tho I chose to be celebate for two years after my divorce.  I can't beat them off with a stick now!  Hmm, maybe I should think about just beating them huh?  Sorry to read in this thread that there are women who are tormented by their weight and appearance in this day and age.  Just remember, men run all thos beauty comps, they are the ones designing and creating all the marketing campaigns and it is some arsehole's version of beauty that we are killing ourselves trying to emulate.  However, that being said, women dress less to impress men and more to impress each other!  And it is us women who act like bitches to each other and say mean things about other's hair, clothing, weight, purse, shoes...pathetic!  There is so much more to life and being a woman than how much one weighs!  Thank Godess that the tide is turning toward health and wellness now!  Skinny ppl, your days are numbered!

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 1:52:58 PM   
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Master would never call me fat i am the first to admit i couls lose some weight.  I am trying to lose weight so someon (espically Master) calling me fat could derail that.  It would really hurt me deeply because i an senestive about my weight.  Master loves my body.

Hey if pig play is your thing have a blast.

Matt's littleone

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 2:06:24 PM   
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context is everything...fat as in "c'mere my fat little piggy" is a lot different than "get over here you fat fucking pig"...if the word, period, is a trigger for the person, unless you are willing to deal with the fall out each and every time - or the eventual build up to a huge fall out - don't use it...otherwise...use it in a productive manner rather than a destructive manner....

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 3:13:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Because people don't like to face the truth.


i could stand to lose some weight but the very last thing in the world that i am is unintelligent.  i would MUCH rather be called a worthless fat pig than to be called stupid.  Not sure why i react so adversely to being called stupid but i do... and it has nothing whatever to do with facing truth.  *shrug*

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 5:45:30 PM   
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Humiliation is fun but there are potential land mines hiding deep in people's minds. I have a nickname that I picked up way back in high school. When I hear the word anywhere it triggers a profound response deep in my nervous system.

When I anticipate using humiliation I will specifically ask in advance is there are any issues or names that might deeply offend my charge. Then I tell them that nothing I say during a scene has anything to do with how I truly feel about them.

That usually avoids any problems.

Also, I might add that  racial, religious, gender and sexual preference discrimination are all now politically incorrect. You can't say rude things about any of these in public. But if you listen to comics they have no problem being rude as hell about fat people. I love George Carlin's humor but I get tired of his constant fat bashing. It's the only safe prejudice left.

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 6:02:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tsatske

Why does it seem that, for most, the word 'fat' is completely off limits?
How would others feel about being called, for instance, a 'fat pig'?


I'm just going to note here that I have not read all the replies to this topic yet, so I'm probably going to repeat some stuff that others have said in some way or another.

To answer the first question, a lot of people have self-esteem issues concerning their weight, especially women. Not all are this way, mind you, which is great, but a large percentage is.

Society at large has not helped this- the word "fat", at least in my perception and from what I have gained from those I have spoken to on the issue, has become almost synonymous with "unattractive", "disgusting" and something to be controlled or eliminated in today's view of beauty. I don't think this is necessarily right, but I'm just speaking from what I have heard and observed. Personally, I envy a lot of people with some "meat on their bones"- especially ones who don't feel guilty about it and can embrace themselves and their bodies exactly as they are. It's beautiful, and something I have never fully been able to do...I admire that so much it's hard to put into words.

To answer your second question, I would probably completely shut down towards that person for an indefinite amount of time. I had anorexia and bulimia for 12 years, and I still have days where it can be difficult for me. I know logically I'm not a "fat pig", but I still have trouble occasionally not percieving myself to be one, especially if I eat more than I think I "should", etc.- and that's just asking for a relapse to put myself in that situation. I barely skirt the "normal weight" category for my height, but to me, it would still be devastating on some level to me and would put me in a bad place, and that bad place is fully capable of killing me, and nearly has in the past.

I am very sensitive about my weight- I have trouble if my size is referred to much at all and in a manner I don't find appropriate (for example, if my Master or doctor is concerned I am losing weight, and says "You're thinner, what's going on? Are you eating okay?" that's one thing, because it comes from a place of knowing my history and a genuine concern for my well-being- but people who I don't know or know making comparitive statements about my weight- "OMG how do you get so skinny" or "I wish I was tiny like you" is not okay with me and I find it difficult to deal with)- let alone if it's a comment in the opposite direction (like my father, when I was gaining weight during my recovery said "You're eating too much, you are going to get fat"- I weighed approximately 95 pounds, up 11 from my lowest-low, and to say that was "not helpful" would be a serious understatement). I guess you could say that I prefer for no comments at all to be made about my size, because either one can push me in a negative direction mentally, and I don't have any desire to nearly die from an eating disorder one more time and go there.

I draw a really clear line on this issue- don't say anything unless you are concerned for my health or I ask for reassurance that I do, indeed, look fine where I am at on a day when I am beating myself up or some such nonsense I am occasionally prone to. Otherwise, I really don't want to hear about it or deal with it.

That's my two cents, take it for what it is worth-
behindmirrors.

Edited to add: I forgot to include that my limits are not necessarily anyone else's, just as are my experiences. So if you enjoy it, go for it- I was more or less explaining (in detail) why this is something that is not part of my kink.


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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 6:08:32 PM   
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 What my Dominant tears down, he builds back up.  So to humiliate me about something physical like being fat, he would have to put in a lot of time building that part of me back up.  I guess the trade off isn't worth it for him.

I have actually been playing in public before and some chick called me fat!  She was trying to add to the scene I guess.  (My Dominant and another guy were carrying me somewhere.)  But it didn't bother me because frankly, I am far more attractive than she is lol  and she was just trying to help.  Intention is everything for me.  Are you calling me fat to turn me on or do you really want to inflict some damage you have no plans on repairing?

I would imagine a lot of people hope they aren't fat and if they are fat they hope no one is noticing.   The 'f' word kind of shatters those delusions.

If it works for you, it works for you.  And that's good.




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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 6:13:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrDiscipline44

Because people don't like to face the truth.


Like Hello??. I know I am fat but humilition in any form doesn't turn me on. It is just a preference for some and what they enjoy. Has nothing to do with knowing you are fat. Most fat people know they are. Duh!!

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/23/2007 10:24:22 PM   
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Well duh, sweetheart, sometimes the truth runs a little deeper then the obvious. It's not just the truth that they're fat but also that they're fat because they're lazy. That they are the way they are because they don't want to get off their ass and change to be heathier, to look better and feel better. So to some people, telling them their fat is also showing them a weakness in their character that they don't like to see.

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/24/2007 5:59:00 AM   
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if i went by your posts i would say you were an asshole....i am fat because i starved myself...i have lost 75 lbs because i eat now...

btw...Steve...i replied to your post in my new thread on the General board....

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/24/2007 7:32:58 AM   
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greetings mrdiscipline,

as chellekitty mentioned, i gained weight because i killed my metabolism by starving myself, exercising 6-8 hours a day, and popping diet pills like candy for six years straight. when i tried to recover from my eating disorder, i gained weight very quickly and my body would not take it off. only now after trying to eat normally for two years straight am i even coming near to repairing my metabolism so that i can lose weight. "repairing my metabolism" has not been a "sit around and be lazy" exercise, either; it has been a 3-dr's-appts a week, shots to deal with mineral and vitamin imbalance, struggling to make my eating and exercising habits appear normal DAILY kind of thing.

it has nothing to do with being lazy, actually, for me and many people i know. it may for some, but it does not for all. most people in your position will never admit that, so this post may be pointless, but it bears being said nonetheless. fat does not equate to lazy.

respectfully,
annabelle.

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/24/2007 7:45:12 AM   
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good job on taking care of yourself annabelle...its hard watching that scale go up and up and up when you know you are doing the right thing...it gets better, not easier, never easier, just better...now that you are healthier, you can work on getting to a healthy weight for you - which is not what the stupid charts say...

i will never be what the charts say...i have too much bone mass and muscle mass...right now at 300lbs and a size 24, my hip bones on the sides are 1/2 below the skin...i can touch my hip bones like most size 4 girls can...and it shocks the hell out of most people...now, i still want to loose some fat around my core - belly and back and around my upper limbs - thighs and triceps...but most of it is muscle....and my stats at 9 years old were 5'4, 200lbs, a size 14 jeans and wearing a 38 C bra...i am now at 5'6 300lbs, a size 24 jeans and wearing a size 44 DD bra....i think i wear my weight pretty damned well...it doesn't make things like suspension and flesh hooks and throwing me over your shoulder any easier...but...i look damned sexy for a 300lb girl....

part of my problem when i was starving was that i was getting energy off my muscle burning instead of my fat...so now that i am getting everything stabalized with my health, i want to start burning fat and building muscle back....but i need to do that slow and steady....anyway...lol...didn't mean to hijack the thread or go off on a rant....but yea...lol

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RE: Why is the 'F' word offlimits? - 9/24/2007 7:56:04 AM   
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LOL a Thread right up my alley!!!

i was a pig for 5 years.  The thing is ... i am not overweight... (i run a bit underweight).... even knowing that... if he called me 'fat pig' i would be seriously hurt by it.   i have come to realize that my situation and pig status was not the norm (meaning the normal Master/pig thing), simply because i am not overweight (i detest the word fat, btw).  In every other aspect i was a pig (no i will not go into details... as much of what happened is very private and not for forum fodder).

Weight does not have to come into pig play (imo) even though the greater populations of 'pigs' are overweight.  In my case, i think that was part of his kink.... an underweight pig. 

In answer to your question... i think being called 'fat' can be very hurtful, but most of our hurts come from our own minds. 

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