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secretsubnova -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 7:37:48 PM)
Ok, I admit I only read the first 3 pages... I wanted to read all of the replies before I posted mine but I'm just in too much shock at all of the "my kink is ok but yours isn't" to continue reading without commenting!!! Whoever pointed out that we sure have some narrowminded people commenting on this thread is dead on! You want a realistic gun for gun play??? Use a real gun. Most modern day handguns (revolvers excluded) it's fairly difficult to tell if they are loaded at a glance. Sure there are ways to tell but not very easily (and it seems most people commenting on this topic wouldn't know the difference regardless). So, use a modern handgun or rifle and don't load it. An unloaded gun isn't any more likely to kill someone than any other blunt object you could beat someone with. Check it once, check it twice, know it's empty and then point it at whatever consenting adult you please! I have to agree I think it's a VERY HOT idea! I completely agree with making sure the person or people handling the gun are well educated in gun safety and how the mechanism itself works. This is sooo typical you say the word "gun" and everyone flips out. No one flips out when you say rope... ever hear of a hanging? Alot of the items we use in "play" in BDSM aren't "toys". A knife isn't a toy, chains aren't toys, handcuffs aren't toys... this could go on for days. It's like anything else, you need to know what you're doing before you play, if you don't know - take a little time to educate yourself on the topic. Take some classes, get some experience and know an unloaded gun won't kill someone unless you beat them to death with it. One additional recommendation... make sure the person you're pointing the gun at knows it's playtime... I'd hate to unknowingly fire on a Dom holding a pointed gun at me trying to make a gun play fantasy come true because I thought he was a real threat. Sure gun play isn't the safest thing in the world but if done correctly it's no more dangerous than crossing the road.

Leatherist -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 7:43:59 PM)
Careful with that horrid "practicality" thing now,I might have to admire you. [:D]

StrongSpirit -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 8:34:09 PM)
Anyone above the age of 3 knows the difference between reality and fiction. Anyone doing BDSM should realize that there are certain things you can't do in real life, but can do in role-play. The key to a good role-play is to recognize that making things too real is NOT a good idea. You don't need a real doctor in a real OR with real laughing gas and a real scalpel to do a medical scene. Neither would any reasonable person use a working gun. Forget about the ammunition (you should always assume that a gun has working ammunition - even if you just unloaded it.). Of such things are FARK stores made. Do you really want to end up explaining to the cop that yes, it was a real gun, and yes it was loaded, but you didn't mean to shoot your play partner? Really not that hard to get a fake gun. If you're not an idiot there is nothing you can do with a real gun that you can't do with a fake one. Not even if your sub is a gun expert.

Leatherist -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 8:35:21 PM)
Gods, anyone who can clean a gun can take a firing pin out.

Lynnxz -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 8:38:30 PM)
I'm a wimp... I wouldn't want to get sub-juice all over my handgun... which is kind of a moot point because I have yet to purchase one. When I was in the army, they did have what we called "Rubber Duckies" in basic. It was basically a scale reproduction of a m16, only a crapload heavier, and made out of rubber or something. You couldn't really tell the difference by a quick glance... now that would be fun to play with... I'm picturing something rather vanilla... but something I had to do all the damn time after getting in trouble. Just have your sub stand there... and hold the rifle out in front of them by the barrel.... more torture than waving around a pistol in their face will ever be. [:D] There's also the possiblity of popping them with the stock. <3 Other than gumming it all up, I don't really see a problem with playing with a real gun, unloaded or loaded- as long as both parties know it's real... and I think the sub should know if it's loaded... so they have a bit of opinion in the whole thing- but that's just me. Hey, if everyone is up for it, go ahead and fuck around, if worse comes to worse, someone wins a Darwin award.

Alumbrado -> RE: Gun Play (8/12/2008 9:18:50 PM)
That is pretty much it... there are several ways to reduce the risk of playing with a 'real live gun'... but the easier the method, the less chance it will completely eliminate 100% of every possible risk. Firing pins and bullets are pretty much as easy to put back into a gun, as they are to remove. If someone plays at a risk level they find acceptable, they are assuming whatever fraction of the risk still exists, so they are the ones who will have to be creative enough to explain how their sub ended up perforated, when they took out the ammo and so on and so forth.

GrizzlyBear -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 5:57:06 AM)
For those who think that they can safely play with real guns that they are sure are "safe" or "uinloaded" - put your money where your mouth is. Just before you put that "safe" gun into the mouth or cunt or ass of your sub and pull the trigger, put it in your own mouth and pull the trigger. Put your life where you would put theirs, first. That way when you make that mistake no one but a fool could make - it will be your brains spattered on the ceiling, not some innocent person's. Most accidental firearms fatailties are from guns that the shooter thought were "unloaded". Usually by people who thought they knew better. They forgot about Murphy. BTW anybody that points an "unlosded" gun at me had better prepare to have mine pointed at them most skosh, and mine is Definitely loaded.

IronBear -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 6:16:33 AM)
"The old addsage that guns don't kill people; People kill people" works pretty well for me. In fact from a physics and relitivity basis, you can lkay a loaded gum ot any other "readied" weapon on a table in the center of a large room and depart after closing the door behind you. That weapon is 100% safe. However, the closer a human gets to the weapon the greater the relitive danger the weapon becomes. I will not be so filled with righteousness and bigitory as to call all who use guns as inept fools for there are ways and means that a gun (unloaded) can vbe safely used. It's juct not my cup of tea and I remember reports of very experienced shooters who have accidently killed some one.. I carry oin a regular basis as prescribed by our lays and have a SF weapons bag in my home (again a legal requirement). I also have a range of other working weapons none of which is brandished unless i am prepared to use them in a lethal manner. I will not risk my family or friends by "playing" with those weapons for an ego wank... IB (The incorrigible, irrepressible and irreverent Bear)

CruelDesires -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 6:21:10 AM)
And lighting people on fire and hitting them with whips that are breaking the sound barrier and can pop an eyeball out of ones socket just as quickly is less dangerous? Not even getting into breathplay and its variants. Those are not too sane an activity either... but people are still doing them. shrugs C-D

GreedyTop -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 6:38:17 AM)
hey.. CD.. got a gun?? grin

LaTigresse -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 6:57:17 AM)
My opinion on the matter of anything with a reasonable amount of risk that means potential DEAD..... If they are consenting adults and want to take the risk of blowing holes in each other.......have a party. At best, someone gets their rocks off, at worst, it's not only helping the over population problem but also good birth control. Anyone tries something like that with someone I care about and I will be more than happy to reciprocate on them. Out in the woods, with my Colt 45.....hollowpoints, all six chambers loaded and the safety definately OFF. I am not afraid, pigs and coyotes will eat damned near anything. No skin off my arse at all.

spatejak -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 8:36:08 AM)
The first rule of firearm safety is that a gun is ALWAYS loaded. (What do peoplesay if they shoot someone accidently?)You can get very realistic replicas of a wide variety of guns. I have a friend who has a Beretta that can actually load a live cartridge, but it can't be fired. You're much better off with something like this.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 5:35:37 PM)
Why is this thread still around? There's only one right response to the question of gun play: HELL NO. Anything else is the wrong thing to say. Period. End of Sentence. End of Discussion.

E2Sweet -> RE: Gun Play (8/13/2008 5:44:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 ....There's only one right response to the question of gun play: HELL NO. Anything else is the wrong thing to say. Period. End of Sentence. End of Discussion. As I'm not a huge fan of this particular style of play, but its interesting to me nonetheless. So, I'd have to totally disagree with the quote above (respectfully of course). There are definitely ways that it can be enjoyed with a high margin of safety. Some methods that have been discussed are indeed safer than others, and some are indeed way too over-the-top for my taste. But still, several examples have been outlined throughout the thread that make gun-play very do-able.

MasterAramis -> RE: Gun Play (8/14/2008 8:24:22 PM)
quote: any one with any experience or advice? Beyond the obvious,please, I am well aware that this is very RACK play. Out of all the things one can do with a slave, submissive, partner, we have to go to the extreme and look to guns? Come on now. That's plain silly. Look at what hapened to the Masonic Lodge in NY a few years ago. Playing with guns is asking for trouble. Just my two cents! Aramis Duval

monywildcat -> RE: Gun Play (8/14/2008 9:24:37 PM)
To Rrafe's scenario, with the .45, and the watermelon, and all that... What would I feel? Personally, I would like to feel my fist through his head. But, that's just me. The whole gun play, not my kink. The ex did something similar years and years ago, with his 20 guage shotgun, not in a scene or anything like that, but a real mind-fuck nonetheless. Not fun. Reason #75 he is the ex. I have always held to the philosophy that guns do not equal toys, in any shape or form. I have taught my offspring this. Along with firearm safety and all that goodness. If someone had considerable knowledge of firearms and the know-how on how to render them (for the most part) incapable of firing rounds be they live or dummies or balls of fluff, along with a partner that has that kind of trust in them that while it may appear that a real live gun with real live bullets was sliding into their bits or pointed at their head, AND all the precautions were made in advance to make sure that the scene didn't turn into a 911 dispatch and a breaking story on the nightly news, then more power to you. That's my two cents, anyways. Have fun with that.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Gun Play (8/15/2008 10:37:46 PM)
I can’t believe this thread is still going with all these crazy suggestions… I am beginning to see why some people need SSC. In fact, fuck it… SCC flag wave this topic because most of you guys really shouldn’t play with guns much less own one. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ quote: ORIGINAL: HisLittlePet I don't care what ANYONE says...... An unloaded gun will never never never shoot someone..........regardless of if its disabled and unable to fire at all. If you don't put bullets in it, it can't shoot one off. She pretty much makes my point about all of this. "I thought the gun was unloaded" (google results) ”I didn’t know the gun was loaded” (google results) All dead from “unloaded” guns, get it? Next thing, someone will suggest using blanks. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ People obviously do things with unloaded guns they wouldn’t do with loaded ones. As proven by many insane comments by people with no experience or exposure who are speculating on a variety of ways to make a deadly weapon safe so you can start “pointing it at someone”. They should be bitch slapped for talking out of their ass about a deadly topic. . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Why oh why would someone with no training or experience offer bad advice about a deadly form of BDSM play? This is like some of the advice in the asphyxiation thread. I see some of you only read the first few pages and missed my post. Please read my reply, you might like the counter perspectives. They come from experience and training. It was a hard place for me to reach in my life. It violated my training*. But it is the only path that allows for this play while holding everyone fully accountable and avoiding accidents.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Gun Play (8/16/2008 12:02:37 AM)
Most people who die from accidents with guns do so with unloaded ones... plus, they kill sort of instantaniously. Gun play is hot, many do it, few die.

ResidentSadist -> RE: Gun Play (8/16/2008 2:21:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spatejak The first rule of firearm safety is that a gun is ALWAYS loaded. (What do people say if they shoot someone accidentally?) You can get very realistic replicas of a wide variety of guns. I have a friend who has a Beretta that can actually load a live cartridge, but it can't be fired. You're much better off with something like this. This guy knows the rules. He learned the same rule I did. I was trained by Mat Sebring, SWAT instructor for Detroit Police and tri county sheriffs department and took extended specialty classes. And I tell you that you have to be an asshole to shoot someone unintentionally with a gun you know is loaded. If you don’t plan to fire it, it doesn’t need to be real, end of story. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -=Seriously Stupid Shit=- NO NO NO… as I read back throw this thread I cant believe all the replies that suggest disabling the gun, rigging the ammo etc. Don’t disable it. If someone is dumb enough to think that is a good idea, they are dumb enough to do it wrong. If they are smart enough to gunsmith, they are smart enough and familiar enough to handle a functional and/or loaded gun correctly and safely. I carried for over 10 years. My guns were always loaded and I almost always carried 3 guns. I never shot myself once in all that time. However there is this awesome story about a TV actor. But first, lets talk about blanks. OK... how is this for an example, use blanks! Sure, blanks are harmless right? The incredible asshole that starred in dukes of hazard, was fucking around trying to pick up two chics from the set and they were eating luinch. The actor still has his gun so he points it at his temple and pulls the trigger to impresses the ladies oh yeah! The result was when the gun went off, his brain blew out from the shock wave and splattering over the two chicks he thought that stunt would impress. Come on, give us some more good advice. I bet there is a grave open right next to that dumb-ass TV star that killed himself with a blank in the lunch room.

Alumbrado -> RE: Gun Play (8/16/2008 5:43:21 AM)
quote: The incredible asshole that starred in dukes of hazard, was fucking around trying to pick up two chics from the set and they were eating luinch. The actor still has his gun so he points it at his temple and pulls the trigger to impresses the ladies oh yeah! The result was when the gun went off, his brain blew out from the shock wave and splattering over the two chicks he thought that stunt would impress. And which asshole would that be? If you are referring to a Mr. Hexum, he apparently turned down the Dukes offers, and none of the details of his self inflicted gunshot wound match your story in the least... Brandon Lee? Again, close, but no cigar. And BTW, anyone who thinks that a blank is going to splatter brains across a room, needs to get some real training in how firearms work.

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