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ORIGINAL: Celeste43
Around here, punishment is not the objective. Communication is.

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveLion

So to conclude, and not be longwinded(er too late). Punishment for me consists of:
1. The threat
2. The use of that threat
3. The understanding the sub has that you don't like doing it, and you want her/him to understand that their actions are making you do something yo don't want to do.

What do you all think?

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveLion

I just wanted to know from everyone, what they punish for and how brutal do they become?

Personally speaking.  There are different levels. and types.

If my sub doesn't send me her daily picture or call me when I ask, I stop talking to her and implement a no contact rule till she has begged me for forgiveness to my liking.  Some people would think its lax, but if your a Dominant, then you don't need the contact, while a sub most likely needs the Master to give them attention.  You would be suprised at how fast you can keep a Sub in line with that.

Something more, like disobeying a direct order...and not just any order, one you call out and explain that it is a large transgression, well then you need to have a threat of something they don't like.  Its the credible threat that counts.

For instance, my Sub hates the butt plug, so I keep one around, and display it when she has done very badly.  I haven't ever had to put it in all the way, because she knows it hurts...and this keeps her in line.

Punishment should be a credible threat to the Sub, and they should believe that you will use it.

For example, my Sub disobeyed me and did something that I told her was a hot button.  So for punishment, I tied her up , blindfolded her, greased her anus up and started to use the plug.  She started to cry, and beg me for forgiveness.  So I pushed the limit a little bit, told her to hold on cause I was going all the way with it, it was going to hurt.  Then just as I started to push I stopped.  Why you may ask?  Cause the threat it credible, and she believed I was going to do it.  Perception is part of the punishment.  I untied her, held her close, and told her do you ever want me to do that again?  She said no...and that brought her right back into line.

So to conclude, and not be longwinded(er too late).  Punishment for me consists of:
1.  The threat
2.  The use of that threat
3.  The understanding the sub has that you don't like doing it, and you want her/him to understand that their actions are making you do something yo don't want to do.

What do you all think?

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveLion
At first you must use your punishment to show physically what is right and wrong, after time this shouldn't be an issue.

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A lot of times I have found a sub is challenged communication wise, because of something in their life...and they are unwilling to talk , once communication breaks down, then you need to punish.  Show that talking will make it better and they will respond... after time.

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveLion

A lot of times I have found a sub is challenged communication wise, because of something in their life...and they are unwilling to talk , once communication breaks down, then you need to punish.  Show that talking will make it better and they will respond... after time.

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ORIGINAL: SubmissiveLion

I just wanted to know from everyone, what they punish for and how brutal do they become?

Personally speaking.  There are different levels. and types.

If my sub doesn't send me her daily picture or call me when I ask, I stop talking to her and implement a no contact rule till she has begged me for forgiveness to my liking.  Some people would think its lax, but if your a Dominant, then you don't need the contact, while a sub most likely needs the Master to give them attention.  You would be suprised at how fast you can keep a Sub in line with that.

Something more, like disobeying a direct order...and not just any order, one you call out and explain that it is a large transgression, well then you need to have a threat of something they don't like.  Its the credible threat that counts.

For instance, my Sub hates the butt plug, so I keep one around, and display it when she has done very badly.  I haven't ever had to put it in all the way, because she knows it hurts...and this keeps her in line.

Punishment should be a credible threat to the Sub, and they should believe that you will use it.

For example, my Sub disobeyed me and did something that I told her was a hot button.  So for punishment, I tied her up , blindfolded her, greased her anus up and started to use the plug.  She started to cry, and beg me for forgiveness.  So I pushed the limit a little bit, told her to hold on cause I was going all the way with it, it was going to hurt.  Then just as I started to push I stopped.  Why you may ask?  Cause the threat it credible, and she believed I was going to do it.  Perception is part of the punishment.  I untied her, held her close, and told her do you ever want me to do that again?  She said no...and that brought her right back into line.

So to conclude, and not be longwinded(er too late).  Punishment for me consists of:
1.  The threat
2.  The use of that threat
3.  The understanding the sub has that you don't like doing it, and you want her/him to understand that their actions are making you do something yo don't want to do.

What do you all think?