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possible? - 9/27/2007 9:07:49 AM

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please i will like to get Your own opinions in this. Can it be true, that a Dominant Master will be in love with the slave? i mean true love that runs in the nerves. if they do, has it not come to sugar daddy and pet relationship? is that still the BDSM relationship? this is very impotant to me, and i hope those who are really in bdsm understands the terms and the Orientations i have used here.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:16:06 AM

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:16:44 AM

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I view "sugar daddy" relationships as one in which a guy is buying a person's time, affection, attention, etc by "helping her with her bills" / etc, which *to me* has nothing to do with "love", per say.

As for the question of Love and Master/slave (Dominant/submissive, Top/bottom, yadayadayada) relationships - some people want or need their relationship to include Love. That doesn't mean everyone will want Love as a part of their dynamic, and if it's important to either party they should make a point of saying so, but I fail to see how Love lessens or negates a BDSM dynamic.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:21:08 AM

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Yes a master can "truly" love his slave. No it doesn't mean it then becomes a "sugar daddy" relationship.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:26:54 AM

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Yes, very easily. Read the message board you will see direct threads and comments in most other threads of people living a power exchange relationship where love is in it and/or the key for them.

As a submissive person who wants and lives a significant power exchange myself, in all honesty if my Master loves me he will do these things to me and if he backed off because of his love that would be very hurtful and a serious compatibility issue. For me and my Master love able us to dive in deeper not prevent us from.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:28:36 AM

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A master can love his slave but that doesn't mean he will love his slave. It depends on the people involved. A sugar daddy/pet relationship has really nothing to with being in love. You can have that realtionship with love and without love. Again, it will depend on the people involved.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:31:36 AM

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yes i know love does not mean disrespect, no. but true love means total respect.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:39:12 AM

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yes i know love does not mean disrespect, no. but true love means total respect.

Ok...and yes...its possible.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:46:29 AM

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I'm confused.. you say true love means total respect, but are questioning if a Dominant can love thier slave... Do you therefore mean to say that if a Dominant should not love a slaver ergo they should have no respect for a slave either?

Also, part of my confusion stands in the fact that you state you are an expert in "Lifestyle BDSM" as well as numerous other things, then why do you need to ask if love is possible?

As LA has a tendancy to say and I agree, If you can ask "Has anyone..., Is it possible..., Can this happen....?" the answer is probably yes.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:51:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: totalysubmission

Can it be true, that a Dominant Master will be in love with the slave? i mean true love that runs in the nerves.

Yes, it can and does happen.

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if they do, has it not come to sugar daddy and pet relationship?

Definately not in this house! I am his pet, but I also his slave, his submissive, his little whore and his partner.

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is that still the BDSM relationship?

There is no "the BDSM relationship". There are many varieties of BDSM relationship. Yes, it is a BDSM relationship.

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this is very impotant to me, and i hope those who are really in bdsm understands the terms and the Orientations i have used here.

Really in BDSM?

Sounds like you are thinking a little along the "one way" lines.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:51:44 AM

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Hi Akisha, its up to me what lesson i am getting from the good answers of good ones. Its not to confuse You. If You have answer, give it. if You do not have, please i have no heart to argue with anyone. i humbly repeat, please i seek only answers, its for my help as I can also help another with my own answers in what i can. Thank You.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:52:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: totalysubmission

yes i know love does not mean disrespect, no. but true love means total respect.

And what prevents an owner from respecting his property?

Valyraen would never own someone he couldn't respect. He would not consider them worth owning.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 9:56:02 AM

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and all along, i have been getting simillar opnions and answers from everyone here, except Akisha, Lol. and i appreciates it very much. at the end i will get helped.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:01:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: totalysubmission

and all along, i have been getting simillar opnions and answers from everyone here, except Akisha, Lol. and i appreciates it very much. at the end i will get helped.

You could always try looking up old threads. The topic of love and BDSM relationships has been discussed quite a bit. It always seems to boil down to "Yes love is very, very, very possible in a BDSM relationship. That does not mean it has to be there for the relationship to be successful but the inclusion of real, complete and full love in a BDSM relationship does not make it "fake" or weak in any way."

Very little in this world works for everyone and every relationship. There are those here who could not have a BDSM relationship with love. There are those who could not have one without it.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:03:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: totalysubmission

please i will like to get Your own opinions in this. Can it be true, that a Dominant Master will be in love with the slave?
Yes.

i mean true love that runs in the nerves.
Nerves? A deep love can exist. People define love as individuals and as they experience it.

if they do, has it not come to sugar daddy and pet relationship?
Some have a "sugar daddy and pet" thing going on. Is that a negative to you?
But, No - love doesn't have to dilute a dynamic. Love can be tough. You can love your dog, correct?

is that still the BDSM relationship?
Love and BDSM aren't contrary. Some enjoy both at the same time.
this is very impotant to me, and i hope those who are really in bdsm understands the terms and the Orientations i have used here.
good luck!!!

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:07:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: totalysubmission

please i will like to get Your own opinions in this. Can it be true, that a Dominant Master will be in love with the slave? i mean true love that runs in the nerves. if they do, has it not come to sugar daddy and pet relationship? is that still the BDSM relationship? this is very impotant to me, and i hope those who are really in bdsm understands the terms and the Orientations i have used here.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:07:45 AM

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thank You all for helping. i am happy, and my heart is convinced. i am really happy for Yours answers. i have taken what i want out of it. my next questions comes up in next few hours. please may You all help again. learn and learn and learn, know and know, and know. that is increasing wisdom, its power. Lol.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:13:46 AM

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the sugar reciver is usualy buying the sugar provider, He gives her money in return for sexual favors, most typically. all though sugar Daddy and sugar-ess relationships don't have to revolve on sex favors.

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I view "sugar daddy" relationships as one in which a guy is buying a person's time, affection, attention, etc by "helping her with her bills" / etc

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 10:47:46 AM

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Hi Akisha, its up to me what lesson i am getting from the good answers of good ones. Its not to confuse You. If You have answer, give it. if You do not have, please i have no heart to argue with anyone. i humbly repeat, please i seek only answers, its for my help as I can also help another with my own answers in what i can. Thank You.

well excuse me, I didn't realize asking for clarification was a problem. And I did give an aswer if you actually read my whole response.

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RE: possible? - 9/27/2007 11:33:48 AM

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yes i know love does not mean disrespect, no. but true love means total respect.

and? i am not ONLY Sir's slave. i am also a housewife, and a mother, and a damned good cook, i can MORE than hold up my end of a conversation, i do well in the things i set my mind to doing.

Sir is PROUD of me for those things..as he is that i keep trying even when i think i cant any longer. he respects my efforts, and other things that i do that i didnt mention because they are private to me. Sir loves me also...he tells me that constantly, that he loves the way i adore him, and do what i can to take care of him.

he also has no problem in tying me and doing what he wishes, or flogging me, or carefully using a knife on me...

loving someone doesnt mean you cant enjoy BDSM with them. *smiles*

kitten, who is obeying Sir at the moment by taking it easy

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