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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 1:58:44 PM   
kdsub


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Cocain and crack are chemically the same, one is used by whites and carries light sentences, the other is used by blacks and carries a heavy sentence.

Shoot a guy for his wallet and $20 and get life, steal a few billion from a thousand old ladies pensions and get a $100k fine and probation.

Isn't justice such a nice thing?


I’d be a little less upset with someone that stole my pension than someone that tried to kill me…how about you…I do think the punishments should be different.

Crack… cocaine… Nothing but crutches for weak people that need to be protected from themselves and others. What the hell is so bad about reality that so many want to get away from it?

Why just complain people...why not suggest some solutions. I’ll admit I have none.

I wish folks would stop trying to say the laws in America are prejudiced against any one segment of the population. It may have been true at one time but not anymore. It’s not the laws that are wrong… it is how money… not black white or red…  how MONEY can make the difference. Anyone that can afford a good defense will have a lighter sentence. Just ask OJ or M. Jackson… or the white white collar asshole that stole my pension.

Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 2:16:01 PM   
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I’d be a little less upset with someone that stole my pension than someone that tried to kill me…how about you…I do think the punishments should be different.


So...steal 20 dollars, but if you rough the guy up while doing it, get 20 years? Steal 20 million, and not physically touch the people you steal from, and get maybe 2 years in a minimum security Federal prison?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Crack… cocaine… Nothing but crutches for weak people that need to be protected from themselves and others. What the hell is so bad about reality that so many want to get away from it?


So you really think we need to waste money locking up users?

And are you KIDDING me with that question? Either you've lived a really cushy life or you're just naturally numb to everything in the first place...

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I wish folks would stop trying to say the laws in America are prejudiced against any one segment of the population. It may have been true at one time but not anymore. It’s not the laws that are wrong… it is how money… not black white or red…  how MONEY can make the difference. Anyone that can afford a good defense will have a lighter sentence. Just ask OJ or M. Jackson… or the white white collar asshole that stole my pension.

Butch


Of course money matters more than anything else. But due to various historical reasons, the "green" divide also tends to be a "black/white" divide in this country. Not as much anymore, but still enough to be a problem. I have personal experience of being a white on the low end of the socioeconomic scale.


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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 2:42:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Cocain and crack are chemically the same, one is used by whites and carries light sentences, the other is used by blacks and carries a heavy sentence.

Shoot a guy for his wallet and $20 and get life, steal a few billion from a thousand old ladies pensions and get a $100k fine and probation.

Isn't justice such a nice thing?


I’d be a little less upset with someone that stole my pension than someone that tried to kill me…how about you…I do think the punishments should be different.

Crack… cocaine… Nothing but crutches for weak people that need to be protected from themselves and others. What the hell is so bad about reality that so many want to get away from it?
This would seem to indicate that you are against all drugs like coffee,chocolate, tea, alcohol, nicotine....the list of legal stimulants and depressants is much longer but I am sure you see my point. 
Just in case you did, perchance, miss my point it is simply that it is no ones business not the government and not yours what another human being does if it does not impinge on the freedom of others.

Why just complain people...why not suggest some solutions. I’ll admit I have none.
I gotta give you high marks for candor.

I wish folks would stop trying to say the laws in America are prejudiced against any one segment of the population. It may have been true at one time but not anymore.
If you believe this then I would suggest that you read a book called Black Like Me by John Griffin.  It is a non fictional account of a white man who chemically changes his skin color and travels amerika as a black man.  The formula for the color change is in the book...don't worry it is completely reversible.  Try it for six months and come back and tell me that color does not make a difference in this country.
 

It’s not the laws that are wrong… it is how money… not black white or red…  how MONEY can make the difference. Anyone that can afford a good defense will have a lighter sentence. Just ask OJ or M. Jackson… or the white white collar asshole that stole my pension.
I could not agree more....you get about as much justice as you can afford.  In the case of OJ and MJ they were found to be innocent not just given a lighter sentence.

Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 4:07:04 PM   
EPGAH


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Status: offline 		Race may play a role in justice--or whether or not your victims are alive, perhaps?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54088
Check it out, that's "just" from February of THIS YEAR...Sort of Jena's own Phantom Menace--er--PREQUEL!

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 4:08:50 PM   
kdsub


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There are good points on both sides…and you have presented yours with intelligence. It does not mean we have to agree though. I am not a fanatic about drugs but some drugs have no value except to destroy lives. If there were no users there would be no suppliers. It is not the only answer arresting users but free or at least legal drugs like cocaine would be a disaster.

I am not saying prejudice does not exist But skin color means nothing if you have money… that is the point I was making.

Hi thompsonx

There are many people that can use drugs like alcohol responsibly… you show me one crack head or meth user that can… Those type drugs do nothing but destroy lives and should not be legal and if it takes arresting the poor people that use them as a deterrent so be it. It may be a weak deterrent but better than nothing.
What people do in their homes is my business if it affects me… People die over drugs… turf wars… greed… robbery…people will do anything for those drugs once they are hooked. To say just because you don’t rob or kill does not mean it does not happen.

I don’t know how old you are but I can tell you things are much better race wise then in 1961 when that book was published. But like I said above I am not talking about race relations I was talking about how money is all that matters in the application of the law.
Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 4:39:54 PM   
kdsub


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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 5:01:12 PM   
FatDomDaddy


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Status: offline 		Hey leave John Edward alone, he meant nothing by it. Just ask him, I'm sure he'll tell you some of his best friends are Negroes.

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 5:27:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Hi Innocentyoungsub

There are good points on both sides…and you have presented yours with intelligence. It does not mean we have to agree though. I am not a fanatic about drugs but some drugs have no value except to destroy lives. If there were no users there would be no suppliers. It is not the only answer arresting users but free or at least legal drugs like cocaine would be a disaster.
Perhaps you should do a little research on cocaine before putting both feet in your mouth.

I am not saying prejudice does not exist But skin color means nothing if you have money… that is the point I was making.

Hi thompsonx

There are many people that can use drugs like alcohol responsibly… you show me one crack head or meth user that can… Those type drugs do nothing but destroy lives and should not be legal and if it takes arresting the poor people that use them as a deterrent so be it. It may be a weak deterrent but better than nothing.
It does not seem to have worked so far so your approach has been proved faulty.  Perhaps you might use the search section of cm and read some of my discussions on this subject. 


What people do in their homes is my business if it affects me… People die over drugs… turf wars… greed… robbery…people will do anything for those drugs once they are hooked. To say just because you don’t rob or kill does not mean it does not happen.
Well that seems to be the point...if some people use alcohol irresponsibly then by your logic there should be no alcohol.  That approach has been tried and found wanting.

I don’t know how old you are but I can tell you things are much better race wise then in 1961 when that book was published. But like I said above I am not talking about race relations I was talking about how money is all that matters in the application of the law.
You can access my profile by clicking on my name.  My profile will tell you how old I am.
I would agree that money has a lot to do with the application of the law.  There is a lot more to it than that.  Black people get rousted because the cop wants to know why some black guy is driving an expensive car....(obviously a dope dealer or a pimp cuz everyone knows dey aint no niggers with a real job.)
Just a few years ago an off duty LAPD officer was rousted by a couple of "harness cops" for no other reason than he looked too prosperous...yeah he filed a complaint with IA and it came back that the "harness cops" had acted within official department guidelines.
So if you really honestly believe that things are better then take me up on my offer...make yourself black and see just what life is like in this much improved world you have deluded yourself into believing exists.
Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:02:12 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Hello again thomsonx

One of the good things about this country is people can disagree with each other and usually, in time, the majority consensus changes laws for better or worse. Right now the majority agree that alcohol is safe when used responsibly and cocaine is not.
If enough people think as you… that law will change eventually.
A agree with you on race relations in not only America but also the world so no argument there. And I think we also agree about money and law.

Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:06:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Cocain and crack are chemically the same, one is used by whites and carries light sentences, the other is used by blacks and carries a heavy sentence.

Shoot a guy for his wallet and $20 and get life, steal a few billion from a thousand old ladies pensions and get a $100k fine and probation.

Isn't justice such a nice thing?


Crack and Cocaine are two different drugs from the same plant. Cocaine has been treated to make it a powdered form and it takes between 10 and 15 minutes to produce a high. Crack only takes 10 seconds. it is also way more addictive, that is why there is a difference in sentancing, nothing to do with race at all.

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:13:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH

Race may play a role in justice--or whether or not your victims are alive, perhaps?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54088
Check it out, that's "just" from February of THIS YEAR...Sort of Jena's own Phantom Menace--er--PREQUEL!

EGPAH:
The depth and breadth of your research underwhelms me.  Perhaps you could also bring us an operations manual from the Ku Klux Klan for further justification of your racist and bigoted opinions.
If you are literate enough to read this pap why aren't you able to expand your literary horizons.  You know read something that is not infested with such narrow minded tripe.  Or is it that you are satisfied to wallow in your bigotry and hate?
thompson

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:19:40 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Just wondering thompsonx… do you always yell to get your point across? Or do you think typing in big letters will somehow make people respect what you have to say more?

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:28:26 PM   
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Hello again thomsonx

One of the good things about this country is people can disagree with each other and usually, in time, the majority consensus changes laws for better or worse. Right now the majority agree that alcohol is safe when used responsibly and cocaine is not.
What a load.   You really should do some reading before you make such statements.  That is straight out of a sixth grade civics book...dig a little deeper.

If enough people think as you… that law will change eventually.
A agree with you on race relations in not only America but also the world so no argument there. And I think we also agree about money and law.
Not completely but in some areas.

Butch

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:35:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why can we not get over race in this country?  Edwards is from my state, but I don't think he has ever served in any major capacity other to run for Vice President.
People we need to heal ourselves and form a better nation.  The only way it will happen is with us, not these blammed politicians who haven't had to work a normal day in their lives or sacrificed a loved on in war.

Regards, MissSCD

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:44:11 PM   
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Just wondering thompsonx… do you always yell to get your point across? Or do you think typing in big letters will somehow make people respect what you have to say more?


kdsub:
Yelling is when one types in all caps.  Using a larger font is for old fucks who are too vain to wear glasses. 
People respect what I write because I am profound, correct, accurate, definitive and occasionally witty. 
It is only arrogant when I am wrong.
thompson
 

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:51:42 PM   
kdsub


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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 6:58:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Cocain and crack are chemically the same, one is used by whites and carries light sentences, the other is used by blacks and carries a heavy sentence.

Shoot a guy for his wallet and $20 and get life, steal a few billion from a thousand old ladies pensions and get a $100k fine and probation.

Isn't justice such a nice thing?


Crack and Cocaine are two different drugs from the same plant. Cocaine has been treated to make it a powdered form and it takes between 10 and 15 minutes to produce a high. Crack only takes 10 seconds. it is also way more addictive, that is why there is a difference in sentancing, nothing to do with race at all.

Politesub:
You are partially right but completely wrong.
A quick look at the PDR will verify that cocaine is neither lethal nor addictive.  It is the adulterant in crack  that make it both lethal and addictive.  If all drugs were legal and priced at their actual value no one would even think of using meth or crack.  Just as no one would drink gasoline if Jamison's were the same price as gasoline.
thompson

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 7:04:35 PM   
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they find you all that do they...lol.. hmm we must not be reading the same posts I guess... oh by the way  to the “profound, correct, accurate, definitive and occasionally witty.  you forgot to add Pompous Ass

kdsub:
Pompous Ass is under the heading of arrogant....it only applies when I am wrong, which is seldom.
thompson

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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 7:12:05 PM   
kdsub


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RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb - 9/29/2007 8:50:57 PM   
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If I ever catch you in error may I call you a pompous ass?…By the way feel free to call me anything you like...I like it.

butch:
Should you find my facts to be in error I would hope that you would call my attention to it.
I endeavor to be polite to everyone I speak to so please do not confuse my direct and straightforward speech for rudeness.
You have signed yourself as butch so I respond to you as such, it is only common courtesy...if you would prefer to be called kdsub I would be equally comfortable with that.
As for name calling...mod 11 kinda frowns on that and she is not known for going to an ass kicking contest barefoot.
thompson

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