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thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/1/2007 6:34:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Politesub: Perhaps you are content with an anti drug website for your information. If so please continue. If you are interested in something a bit less biased you might avail yourself of a copy of the PDR Physicians Desk Reference. It is the definitive reference for all things pharmacopeia. Should you avail yourself of this publication please note that there is no LD 50 for cocaine or heroin. You will also note that they state that cocaine is not addictive. As for your contention that "affluent society" is now using crack I would like to know how you came to that conclusion. thompson Thompson, unlike yourself i looked at several sites on the web about cocaine. The link i gave you was for a site about general medical health. I cant be responsible if you think that`s an anti drug site but no matter. Type in cocaine abuse to goggle and maybe the numerous links there will help you learn more than just the one book. Do the same about crack users and you will find the information i did. Edited to add the NYT link that i had read. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFDD1730F932A35753C1A96F948260 Politesub: If you prefer newspaper articles and websites to the pharmacopeia of the PDR then there is not much more I can add. thompson

Politesub53 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 3:23:24 AM)
Thompson i feel the same way about your one book. Its a reference book thats all !

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 6:13:48 AM)
h quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado Yeah...as schedule II... "Schedule II Drugs in this schedule have a high abuse potential with severe psychic or physical dependence liability. Included are certain narcotic analgesics, stimulants, and depressant drugs. Examples are opium, morphine, codeine, hydromorphone, methadone, meperidine, oxycodone, anileridine, cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, phenmetrazine, methylphenidate, amobarbital, pentobarbital, secobarbital, methaqualone, and phencyclidine. " Which is of course, exactly the same as quote: they state that cocaine is not addictive [sm=biggrin.gif] That anvil getting heavy? Aldumbrado: You seem to have a facility to misrepresent your source. Drug schedules are devised by the government. My reference was to the pharmacopeia. It is one thing to disagree with someone but to deliberately manipulate facts to disparage someone you do not agree with is ethically questionable. This is not the first time this has been pointed out to you. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 6:21:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anguisette1 Just in case anyone's interested...among the criteria for being classed as schedule II you will find: "that abuse...may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence". Two cents from the Forensic Tox department :) Anguisette: Does the forensic tox department also recognize that sex is highly psychologically addictive? thompson

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 6:27:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Now are we going to believe what thompson says they say, or what they actually do say? luckydog: As usual you will believe what you choose to believe no matter what the facts are. But before you get both feet in your mouth at the same time why don't you actually read what the PDR says. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 6:33:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thompson i feel the same way about your one book. Its a reference book thats all ! Politesub: The PDR is not a reference book it is THE reference book. thompson

Politesub53 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 6:49:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thompson i feel the same way about your one book. Its a reference book thats all ! Politesub: The PDR is not a reference book it is THE reference book. thompson Sorry to suprise you Thompson but the PDR isnt an English reference book. Does the fact its American make the rest of the world wrong ? You asked where i got my facts about affluent drug users, then brushed off the article as its not in your book. At least i read as many sources as possible.

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 7:12:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thompson i feel the same way about your one book. Its a reference book thats all ! Politesub: The PDR is not a reference book it is THE reference book. thompson Sorry to suprise you Thompson but the PDR isnt an English reference book. Does the fact its American make the rest of the world wrong ? You asked where i got my facts about affluent drug users, then brushed off the article as its not in your book. At least i read as many sources as possible. Politesub: I read your newspaper article and gave my opinion of its validity vis-a-vis the definitive reference on the pharmacopeia of the drugs in question. If you choose not to agree with accepted definitions of pharmacopeia because the book was not of English origin that is your prerogative. Most of your post show you to be a thoughtful, inquisitive and intelligent person,why you would choose self imposed ignorance is beyond me. thompson

Politesub53 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 7:48:18 AM)
Thompson maybe its because i am open minded and choose to read as much on a subject as possible. The news paper article that you read wasnt about the drugs per se, it was answering your question as to how i found about about affluent crack users. Using the words " self imposed ignorance " is a bit ironic coming from your good self.

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 8:24:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Thompson maybe its because i am open minded and choose to read as much on a subject as possible. The news paper article that you read wasnt about the drugs per se, it was answering your question as to how i found about about affluent crack users. Using the words " self imposed ignorance " is a bit ironic coming from your good self. Politesub: I found it interesting that the article made reference to the affluent but used tradesmen as their representatives for the affluent. Most notably house painters (who are universally known for their alcoholism) I mention this alcoholism only in the context that it is an indicator of those with an addictive personality and thus are prone to addictions to other substances. The affluent (those who can afford pure cocaine) will smoke it if they want an instant "impact". No one with a three digit IQ (who actually knew about crack) would ever put crack into their body. thompson

MissHarlet -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 8:31:25 AM)
Work in a Rehab as I did and all the books seem immaterial to the reality of what is addictive.

Politesub53 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 10:15:37 AM)
Thomson here is the reference to house painter in full, please note the other careers mentioned. I agree with you though Doctors should know better. Quotes "Dr. Washton added: ''These new addicts are business executives and house painters and doctors and receptionists" Waves to MissHarlet..I agree in the grand scheme of things none of our opinions matter to the addicts themselves.

Alumbrado -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 11:11:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Aldumbrado: You seem to have a facility to misrepresent your source. Drug schedules are devised by the government. My reference was to the pharmacopeia. It is one thing to disagree with someone but to deliberately manipulate facts to disparage someone you do not agree with is ethically questionable. This is not the first time this has been pointed out to you. thompson Putting up an exact quote, is misrepresenting and disparaging? And your insinuation that cocaine has no lethal or addictive properties is ethical? Keep toting that Acme anvil untill you find someone to fall for it, you aren't getting any takers here.[8\|]

luckydog1 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 11:53:46 AM)
Sure, Thompson, here is what they say about Cocaine. "People can be addicted to drugs, such as cocaine, that do not produce physical dependence. " http://www.pdrhealth.com/patient_education/BHG01PS06.shtml Feel free to provide a quote where they (or anyone)" state that cocaine is not addictive. " or simply admit you are lying.

MissHarlet -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 3:59:17 PM)
waving to Polite Sub ... nice to see you again... and refreshing to see a submissive that admits they have a brain <wink>

Anguisette1 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 4:15:09 PM)
Toxicology has no responsibility (or need) to categorize sex. What's your point? ...or is there one?

kdsub -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 5:02:22 PM)
Hi there Mr. thompsonx I checked out the local 2007 version 61 PDR… there is no listing for cocaine or its salts that I can find. I checked out these hard copy Medical references by ; …Stedmans…Merck…Meridian Webster…WDMD… and… Dorlands In every case cocaine is listed as ” Use of cocaine or its salts lead to dependency”. The only Medical use of cocaine is as a local anesthetic for some surgeries of the throat mouth and nose. In every case the use was followed with a warning of dependency. Cocaine for this use is now mostly replaced with Benzocaine tetracaine and pontocaine. Every comprehensive responsible medical website that I could find states that cocaine is addictive. I would be glad to post links if you need them. The Wikipedia that I have seen you reference in other threads states that cocaine is addictive and within two years 5-6 percent of users are dependent and 10 year users 10-15 percent are dependent. They list many respected references for this information you may want to check out. Butch

dcnovice -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 5:07:48 PM)
quote: http://www.pdrhealth.com/patient_education/BHG01PS06.shtml I had no idea the PDR was online. Thanks, Lucky! Anyone know if the website is the same as the print edition?

dcnovice -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 5:11:47 PM)
If I admit I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, will someone tell me how we got from John Edwards to coke?

Politesub53 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/2/2007 5:28:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice If I admit I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, will someone tell me how we got from John Edwards to coke? Someone played they race card using cocaine/crack and the disparity in sentencing. I pointed out that the disparity is as one is way more addictive. I forgot to say 2/3rds of crack users are estimated to be white but no matter. Thompson said i was partially right but completely wrong ( either or surely ) Anyhow i said then he said, then they said then... ect ect. So blame me partially or completely. Either way i hope you are up to speed. [;)]

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