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Alumbrado -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/6/2007 7:19:06 AM)
quote: I should think it a simple enough question. Very simple...which makes me wonder why you are doing such a frantic tap dance to avoid getting the answer to it. Just click on the search button, type in my name and the 'school teacher' quote you claim I made, and give the link to the words. [sm=biggrin.gif] Then rinse, and repeat with the 'cocaine is not addictive' line from the PDR. [8\|]

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/6/2007 8:27:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alumbrado quote: I should think it a simple enough question. Very simple...which makes me wonder why you are doing such a frantic tap dance to avoid getting the answer to it. Just click on the search button, type in my name and the 'school teacher' quote you claim I made, and give the link to the words. [sm=biggrin.gif] Then rinse, and repeat with the 'cocaine is not addictive' line from the PDR. [8\|] Aldumbrado: You are the one who is doing all the tap dancing. The question is quite simple. If you have not been a teacher then say so and I will apologize for my characterization of you as such. Of course your continued refusal to deny the allegation would seem to indicate that my statement is true and that you are now dancing around on one foot with the other firmly stuck in your mouth. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/6/2007 8:44:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 Nope thompson, the PDR is online. I quoted it to you. luckydog: Since you have not been able to produce a copy of the PDR on line it would appear that the above statement is inaccurate. If our positions were reversed this is the point where you would begin calling me a liar. I on the other hand am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider that you were mistaken. The least you could do at this point is admit to being mistaken. I am not asking for an apology simply an acknowledgment that you were mistaken. This is part of adult discussion. thompson

ModeratorEleven -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/6/2007 8:53:29 AM)
Ok folks, enough. XI

luckydog1 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/6/2007 10:24:15 AM)
But I am not, the data from the PDR is on line, by the same company, copyright and all. I quoted it to you, and sourced it. And it says cocaine is addictive. You wish to disagree feel free.

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/7/2007 10:41:09 AM)
in quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 But I am not, the data from the PDR is on line, by the same company, copyright and all. I quoted it to you, and sourced it. And it says cocaine is addictive. You wish to disagree feel free. luckydog: I have heard it said that denile is not just a river in Egypt. You have read the on line stuff but by your own admission have not been to the library to look at a real PDR so how can you say they are the same? It seems to me you are seeking an argument without basis. thompson

kdsub -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/7/2007 11:07:04 AM)
Not really wanting to continue the argument but as stated in my previous post, I did view a hard copy of the 2007 PDR Vol 61. Borders said it was the latest addition… He said they carry all the most recent medical books because of their proximity to Washington University School of Medicine. I could find no reference to cocaine and no one I asked could either. I had no problem in any medical dictionary or reference… they all listed it as addictive. Butch

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/7/2007 5:51:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not really wanting to continue the argument but as stated in my previous post, I did view a hard copy of the 2007 PDR Vol 61. Borders said it was the latest addition… He said they carry all the most recent medical books because of their proximity to Washington University School of Medicine. I could find no reference to cocaine and no one I asked could either. I had no problem in any medical dictionary or reference… they all listed it as addictive. Butch Butch: If one goes to google and types in "Is cocaine addictive". in less than a second you will have over two million hits. As we go through them we find that many are sites owned by those who have a vested interest in showing that it is addictive. You know those who get paid to say this or that. I am sure you would agree that one can get google to find support for most any position. If you are open minded enough to ignore or at least understand that someone has a vested interest in pimping this or that position then we have room for discussion. If not then it is just a matter of "my cite trumps your cite". This sort of attitude leads nowhere and certainly not to any sort of understanding of the question at hand. This site is to refute the concept that rats will choose cocaine over food...something that the media likes to toss around as proof that cocaine is addictive. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2007/08/06/is-sugar-more-addictive-than-cocaine.aspx Here is another site that will not only shed some historical light on it but also give you some insight why the drug companies might not want you to have access to it...you see they have a patent on the synthetic stuff. http://cocamuseum.com/main.htm Peruse this site it has a lot of both historical and pharmaceutical information. Here is a Dutch site that is non governmental and non pharmaceutical. http://www.drugtext.org/sub/coca1.html You will note that it is foot noted and well documented. I am going to stop here for now because I have given you an enormous amount of stuff to read. thompson

kdsub -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/7/2007 6:39:05 PM)
I am not citing a website… I am talking about the same manual you are quoting except it is the latest addition…the hard copy. All the references and manuals are hardcopy medical documents by the most respected publishers…I don't know what else I can submit... I gave you the names of each in a previous post.

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/7/2007 6:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I am not citing a website… I am talking about the same manual you are quoting except it is the latest addition…the hard copy. All the references and manuals are hardcopy medical documents by the most respected publishers…I don't know what else I can submit... I gave you the names of each in a previous post. butch: I see it is not about a discussion of ideas but rather my cite is better than your cite. Thank you for your candor. TYFSASAKM thompson

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 6:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not really wanting to continue the argument but as stated in my previous post, I did view a hard copy of the 2007 PDR Vol 61. Borders said it was the latest addition… He said they carry all the most recent medical books because of their proximity to Washington University School of Medicine. I could find no reference to cocaine and no one I asked could either. I had no problem in any medical dictionary or reference… they all listed it as addictive. Butch Butch: The PDR is not an easy book to navigate. Let me see if I can help you. If you know the drug manufacturers name you look in the first white page section under the manufactuer. In this case Roxane. If you do not know the drug manufacturers name you can go to the pink pages (generic name index). Here you will find cocaine and its manufacturer Roxane. It will give you a page numbe to look in the second white page section (product information). thompson

kdsub -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 8:02:49 PM)
Last post ..beating a dead dog here... As I listed in a previous post all references to cocaine as a topical antiseptic come with a warning of possible dependency. I went to Roxane Laboratories website and, as in all references I have found, their Product Safety Data Sheet states “Warning may be habit forming”… This warning is for a topical application. Check for yourself below. Butch http://bi-msds.e3solutionsinc.com/COCAINE%20HYDROCHLORIDE%20TOPICAL%20SOLN.pdf

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 8:18:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Last post ..beating a dead dog here... As I listed in a previous post all references to cocaine as a topical antiseptic come with a warning of possible dependency. I went to Roxane Laboratories website and, as in all references I have found, their Product Safety Data Sheet states “Warning may be habit forming”… This warning is for a topical application. Check for yourself below. Butch http://bi-msds.e3solutionsinc.com/COCAINE%20HYDROCHLORIDE%20TOPICAL%20SOLN.pdf Butch: I see you have changed your position from "cocaine is physically addictive" to "possible dependency" As I said in my original post and as substantiated by your link above...cocaine is not physically addictive and has no ld 50. The link you cite says it "may be habit forming" not "is addictive". I am sure you know the difference. Roxane also has an 800 number you can call and request a "package insert for complete instructions and precautions" TYFSASAKM thompson

kdsub -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 8:21:07 PM)
I give up on you thompsonx... check the link below for absolute proof...lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqOyDAwfxA&NR=1

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 8:27:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I give up on you thompsonx... check the link below for absolute proof...lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iqOyDAwfxA&NR=1 Butch: I never said it would not get you stoned.[;)] thompson

luckydog1 -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/9/2007 9:53:08 PM)
actually thompson, what you said was "You are partially right but completely wrong. A quick look at the PDR will verify that cocaine is neither lethal nor addictive. It is the adulterant in crack that make it both lethal and addictive."

thompsonx -> RE: John Edwards drops a racial bomb (10/10/2007 6:52:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: luckydog1 actually thompson, what you said was "You are partially right but completely wrong. A quick look at the PDR will verify that cocaine is neither lethal nor addictive. It is the adulterant in crack that make it both lethal and addictive." luckydog: I see you still have not overcome your comprehension problem. Perhaps a class in remedial english might help. "May be habit forming" does not mean the same as "is addictive" thompson

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