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serisa -> high end submissive (9/28/2007 3:58:55 PM)

i have identified myself initially and have been told without my telling them first as a high end submissive but there is limited information on the net.  can anyone tell me any more about 'them'.  are they really such a challenge for Doms to cope with as what i read?  will they affect my chances of making a good sub? and any advice for me? are they really as rare as what i am led to believe?.  thanks




feastie -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 4:34:35 PM)

High end?  High end usually means luxury, expensive.  Do you perhaps mean high maintenance?




exquisitefeline1 -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 4:44:19 PM)

Hi serisa...

This thread pretty much covers a lot of discussion on what you are looking for...
http://www.collarchat.com/m_327223/mpage_1/key_high%252Cend%252Csubmissive/tm.htm#327558

After reading through it myself, i get there feeling that it may be a term used a loosely as schizophrenia- "not sure what it is, its not like me, lets put it under that umbrella ;)" But it sounds to me like it could be someone who has been conditioned against their true nature, or a true sub that has been taken advantage too many times...



So what is a high end Dominant?
Boxing personalities always annoys me, and dont let anyone tell you what you are.

i think the best thing you can do for yourself, if you want to understand what kind of submissive you are, is to tune in more and more to what is the instinctual you, what is innate to your primal being, and your true expression, and find people who have done the same thing. Keep pulling away those layers of society and parental etc conditionings, and reflect a little on the interaction afterward to understand yourself... when you are submissive and when you are not, who you are submissive to and who you are not... why you are submissive to them and how it makes you feel...etc

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Exquemelin -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 5:10:31 PM)

Think she comes with GPS navigation?




Celeste43 -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 5:11:35 PM)

Sounds like a come on to me. "You aren't really competent and successful, you need a twue dom to bring out your little girl side, and I'm the one". Not mentioning that he'll also start taking control of your finances 'for your own good', despite the fact that you've been perfectly capable of doing so on your own for years.




Daddyskittin -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 6:24:29 PM)

Sounds like another attempted creation of a box to put people in so the world makes sense to others... I can only guess that it was yet another online based term because in all my years in the lifestyle I've never heard high end... nor many of the other multiple catagories and catch phrases I've ran across online.





RRafe -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 6:45:04 PM)

It's often used to mean someone is going to be a pain in the ass. I'd have to know the specific intent, from the speaker himself to be sure.




velvetears -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 7:37:22 PM)

And here i thought it was a submissive who had her rear end high in the air [&:]




RRafe -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 7:43:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

And here i thought it was a submissive who had her rear end high in the air [&:]


I somehow feel I'd lack compliant with that definition.[;)]




TNstepsout -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 7:47:08 PM)

In my earliest experiences back in the day when I identified as a sub, I responded as described as a High End Submissive. I don't know why that particular term is used, but it was helpful to me to begin to understand my experience and why my reaction was so confusing to others. And yes, I was a pain in the ass.  I didn't mean to be.

Part of the defiinition of High End Sub was someone who entered sub space very quickly in response to a Dominant behaving in an strongly dominant manner. That was me. I didn't really understand what was happening and I thought that meant I was submissive. I couldn't understand why, if I responded so strongly to an active dominant why I was so abysmal at everything else submissive.

After a really awful experience, that is much like that described in the article, I took a long break. In the year since then I realized that what I was reacting to was an ingrained behavior in response to living with a man with a terrible explosive temper. Although not physically abusive he threw nasty temper tantrums. When he was in one of his rages I would shut down completely and become totally quiet, complacent and invisible as possible and not dare speak up until he had calmed down. What I was reacting to was a look and tone of voice that triggered this response in me. I'd been reacting this way for so long (22 years) that I didn't know it was dysfunctional.

So I relate this story because the High End Sub might not be a type of sub, but one that has an ingrained behavior pattern that mimics "submissiveness" in certain situations. If you have a history like mine, you might want to examine your response and see if it might be a conditioned response to abuse or threat of abuse.





MrDiscipline44 -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 8:34:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: velvetears

And here i thought it was a submissive who had her rear end high in the air [&:]
It was the first thing that came to mind when I read the title.




CatKnight -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 9:01:49 PM)

Serisa:  I'm not sure what a High End Sub is.  I'm too new at this.  However, your experience as described on another thread seems to match up well with TNstepsout's version, so she might be worth studying.
 
I do know this from my short time here, talking with others and my own lady.  Be very, very careful about putting yourself in a box and identifying yourself as this or that.  I tend to make that mistake.  In fact there's a thread somewhere on the Switches subforum with me wrestling terms.
 
Terms tend to make it easy for us to identify a person's wants and needs.  I am probably a switch.  However, that doesn't mean I'm like every other switch on this board.  I was debating with my fiance just last night whether I was really Dom-ing her or being a service top. 
 
Terms are useful.  But don't let them define you.  You are not (necessarily) a "High End Sub" or a "Sub" or whatever.  You are Serisa.  You have your own wants and needs.  It's far more important for you to find those then worry about what you might be.
 




smilingjaguar -> RE: high end submissive (9/28/2007 9:23:40 PM)

First thing to come to mind for me is a submissive with really long legs so that her hind end is really high...suitable for the taller dominants.




obis -> RE: high end submissive (9/29/2007 12:59:51 AM)

I figured a high end submissive would come with rich, Corinthian leather. No more irritating shaving bumps!




exquisitefeline1 -> RE: high end submissive (9/30/2007 2:32:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TNstepsout

In my earliest experiences back in the day when I identified as a sub, I responded as described as a High End Submissive. I don't know why that particular term is used, but it was helpful to me to begin to understand my experience and why my reaction was so confusing to others. And yes, I was a pain in the ass. I didn't mean to be.

Part of the defiinition of High End Sub was someone who entered sub space very quickly in response to a Dominant behaving in an strongly dominant manner. That was me. I didn't really understand what was happening and I thought that meant I was submissive. I couldn't understand why, if I responded so strongly to an active dominant why I was so abysmal at everything else submissive.

After a really awful experience, that is much like that described in the article, I took a long break. In the year since then I realized that what I was reacting to was an ingrained behavior in response to living with a man with a terrible explosive temper. Although not physically abusive he threw nasty temper tantrums. When he was in one of his rages I would shut down completely and become totally quiet, complacent and invisible as possible and not dare speak up until he had calmed down. What I was reacting to was a look and tone of voice that triggered this response in me. I'd been reacting this way for so long (22 years) that I didn't know it was dysfunctional.

So I relate this story because the High End Sub might not be a type of sub, but one that has an ingrained behavior pattern that mimics "submissiveness" in certain situations. If you have a history like mine, you might want to examine your response and see if it might be a conditioned response to abuse or threat of abuse.




Wow, i totally relate to this.
i enter sub space very quickly, like once as soon as the collar went on, i could not remember a thing after, until it came off. Another experience i could not remember a lot of what happened until i had hypnosis 2 weeks later. Yesterday my Dom kept tapping me on the ass to wake me up after a scene and i was kneeling with my forehead on the floor, and my arms out stretched in front of me.

Working through the conditioning is so important, and every BDSM experience allows me that opportunity. i had an experience recently where a Daddy type Dom was talking to me in a club, and woman approached and was trying to Dominate me to Dominate her. What she did was so confusing, she was harshly telling me to turn around, move a few meters away from her and work out how i am going to get her to do what i want her to do. i turned and then collapsed crying, and threw myself in the arms of the male Dom, who consoled me.
She, of course, was instantly upset that she had made me feel this way and felt bad, i tried to explain that it was not her. But what it did bring up for me, was the relationship i had with my parents. My father was highly disciplinary and my mother was confusing and abusive, this was spontaneously reenacted in those moments of being in the club. i was mostly brought up by my mother, and have always craved the discipline my father was able to give me, these are the things that i have learnt through BDSM.

Every layer that is shed in enlightening me to myself and my behavior makes me a better submissive, and gives me more strength, lucky my b/f is patient and is understanding my needs. i have tried various healing strategies but somehow BDSM has worked the best, for some reason we have to walk through the dark and scary to find the light in us.
So maybe this makes me also a high end submissive, as it is not purely fetish for me, although those aspects are greatly enjoyed when doing so. However, just because one has greater emotional needs, does not mean they are not worth the journey. And, a Dom who engages that journey has a fully devoted sub who appreciates and is ever thankful for them doing so.




scwomankf -> RE: high end submissive (9/30/2007 7:13:40 AM)

Wow, thank you TNstepsout for your post. You have helped me understand some behavior, not quite the one described here by you, but similar that evoked a response in me that was not appropriate to the situation. I appreciate this very much!
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DocRudy -> RE: high end submissive (9/30/2007 8:16:19 AM)

This top of the line submissive comes with all-leather cow interior, and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights...

-DR




blndewitch -> RE: high end submissive (10/6/2007 3:02:47 AM)

Tried to get the link for you but it may no longer be open to the public.  It was at Steel-Door Chamber Archives....maybe try searching it.  But this is a copy of the article written by Mistress Steel and yes, there is a difference.
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THE HIGH-END SUBMISSIVE
This submissive often emerges quite young. This submissive is most often a female. S/he will generally be quite bright, articulate, charming, loving, giving, career oriented, willful. None of these characteristics will identify or reveal this submissive's truth. Often this submissive will learn very early to mask their truth. They will recognize in terror it's potentials and will often take serious measures to obscure any hint of their true nature to those around them. With some they will spend enormous amounts of time watching television and movies to 'pattern' normal behavior based on what they see. This is a form of self-training or self-shielding. They will often be extremely well read for the same reason. They instinctively know that survival requires for them to be 'invisible'.

[Mod Note:  remainder removed.  Please read the article in it's entirety at http://www.steel-door.com/High_End_Submissive.html]





DocRudy -> RE: high end submissive (10/6/2007 6:47:27 AM)

So... basically a "high-end submissive" is... SuperSlave!!

Able to leap tall cocks in a single bound!

Too funny. [:D]

-DR




Moongoddess40 -> RE: high end submissive (10/6/2007 7:24:42 AM)

Serisa,
Wow,.....this is an "old" term but, anyone who is into the physiology of a submissive mind knows it.  Don't expect everyone to get it though.....some simply don't want to go that deep, they are more surface thinkers, which is fine .....I like to know all of the person I'm with.....no matter which side if the fence they prefer....remember you have a huge percentage of this community, especially Dominants, who are basically narcissistic individuals, masking it.....it's all about them and their needs....they are not the real deal. Good luck to you sweetie,.. Moon




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