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CuriousLord -> RE: Is God a Woman? (10/1/2007 1:38:10 PM)
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
Atheism is another form of religion CuriousLord unless you can prove beyond any doubt that god doesn’t exist.
Naw, there's quite an exception. I am an instance of this exception.
You see, if you come into the world with a fresh slate, no predisposition but a concern for the truth and such, one would find that it is highly unlikely for God to exist.. that "prophets" were likely mad men. It's the conclusion that there is no evidence- no reason- to believe in God in the same way you currently have no reason to believe that there's a colony of monkeys underground in the moon.
One might call one who considers the possibility of God as being relatively balanced with the possibility of no God or other religious systems as an "agnostic". However, one such as myself has no reason to believe that there is a colony of monkeys underground in the moon. Therefore, I call myself an athiest; while I'm not certain that there's no monkey's, I recognize the strong probablity that there isn't and the utter lack of evidence for there beign one. I further recognize that the idea likely came about due to the zeal of monkey enthausasts hoping for something meaningful in their world.
I would be happy to provide credible cites for this definition of "atheist". I understand that the world is often misunderstood as "people who believe God don't exist". Because, really, who uses it? Religious people who want to disenfranciese other positions, correct? Hence the common misconception of "athiest". (Which I realize I keep typo'ing yet I'm absolutely too lazy to fix.)
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
Science will get you so far in life but it can’t give you the answers to questions if no one proposes such questions in the first place. The concept of God or a higher being is an idea, the same way that electricity was an idea once upon a time. Scientific facts have to come from some initial idea in the first place. Therefore to exclude the possibility of something unproven means you may be blind to the real answers; only seeking that which you believe to be true.
The concept of electricity was a concept invented to describe observed phenomina. It now serves to describe this phenomina in a scientifically verifable method through the work of not many dozens of men over a relatively short time period.
The concept of God was a concept invented to control/comfort humans or describe observed phenomina. The observed phenominia have been increasily accurately described by other means while the "God" description of it fails in all regards tested. The concept of "God" is constantly modifed to make up for its continuing inability to do anything.
One might define "God" as an existent being of great benevolence who never can/will effect the universe. This would match observations. God is either not real or moot.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
To say God absolutely doesn’t exist follows the same crazy logic as to assume it does exist. There is no proof one way or another at this point in time and no one is yet able to propose a test for God.
Which is why I say it is highly unlikely that a colony of monkeys exist under the surface of the moon. Unlikely to the point that anyone who argues it is almost certainly either misinformed or crazy, should they be unable to provide unknown evidence for, which they are not.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
One day there may be a test for God proposed but only if people still have that idea in their heads.
If phenomina occur, we'll note it and attribute it appropriately. That's science- we need not remember fairy tales to understand things we see happening in the world.
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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
That being said, all religion is unproven and therefore invalid from my point of view but people are allowed to choose things that get them through their day I suppose.
I constantly worry about the collaterial damage that religion causes, particularly to youth who are predisposed towards religious inclinations as well. It forces them to constantly question themselves, since they find their beliefs and reason to be in contradiction. I constantly worry for those not yet afflicted, or even born. So many of them will acquire this mental disease before its extinct.
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