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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:19:47 PM   
xsdenied


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Status: offline 		What about the other World Kingdom.  (www.owk.com)  that is a big compound and it is private, that will keep the cops out.
Something like that?

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:28:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not a permanent place (and it doesn't have the cobblestone streets and all that), but bdsm camp events like Leather Retreat, Camp Crucible and Dark Odyssey Camp would give you a similar experience, just not full-time. 

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:47:59 PM   
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I know that in Kentucky Bondage is on the books as illegal.


Do you happen to know the legal citation for this?

I know that in Texas §22.06 of the Penal Code establishes consent as a defense against assault charges where serious bodily injury is not involved.  Similarly, the definition of "restraint" used in the Penal Code (§20.01) specifically requires a lack of consent.

On this basis, it would be difficult to argue that most bondage and kink scenes would be illegal, at least in Texas.  Consent negates criminality.

However, this is only the law in Texas.  What is the letter of the law in Kentucky?




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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:49:42 PM   
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Haha, oh can I please watch?
promise to leave all recording devices safely tucked away- Or not..Your choice. ^ ^


Do I get copies?


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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:55:53 PM   
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Do I get copies?


I would never deprive you of them. What kinda girl do you take me for?

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 2:58:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you look hard enough and ask around enough, you'll find that there are BDSM B&B's all over. They only advertise by word of mouth, mostly. You have to understand that even if they can remain open legally, city officials and concerned citizens can make life very difficult.
 
Once the people who are supporting your spot just to make a point go away, you still have to make a viable business out of your resort. It's a harder sell than you might imagine.
 
Daddy and I plan on opening a B&B without the BDSM theme, although, you can be sure we wouldn't be tossing any kinksters out.  There are a lot of things to consider...what else will be a draw for your resort? In the beginning, I would try and rely on something outside your resort for a draw...like the beach, for instance. Of course, the problem with the beach is you do great spring and summertime business and slow fall and winter business.
 
This is something to look at with a panoramic lens...you have to consider everything. And, the other thing you should consider is who you are going into business with...so many considerations, so little time.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:00:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a little hint, even if something is "thought" to be illegal, before it actually can be, the victim party has to press charges against the aggressive party. If in the case to which the victim denied the allegations and the state thought they had a strong case, they would drop it in a heartbeat if the "victim" pressed counter charges against the state for charging their partner with any of those. Honestly, I'd like to see the state try to charge a dom(me) with something with the sub passing a test as being perfectly sane in a SSC relationship and then saying to the state f&*$ you there was consent.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:06:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Decimus

Just a little hint, even if something is "thought" to be illegal, before it actually can be, the victim party has to press charges against the aggressive party. If in the case to which the victim denied the allegations and the state thought they had a strong case, they would drop it in a heartbeat if the "victim" pressed counter charges against the state for charging their partner with any of those. Honestly, I'd like to see the state try to charge a dom(me) with something with the sub passing a test as being perfectly sane in a SSC relationship and then saying to the state f&*$ you there was consent.


My point exactly.  Consent is an affirmative defense to many erstwhile criminal acts.  Hence my question about laws in other states besides Texas.  I am curious if any know of statutes on the books which would criminalize kink activities and do not provide a defense based on consent.

Merely saying something's illegal doesn't make it so.  What counts is the letter of the law.


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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:06:58 PM   
Decimus


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Status: offline 		Yes I do agree with that but as its best said by great artists, when they make a work of art they make it for no one but themselves, if others enjoy it so be it.

Same thing with a resort, you make it so you and others you know can enjoy it fully, if even more choose to come and enjoy it so be it. As for advertising...no one can stop the internet, or American news. Anyone see how fast that femme dom town in china came into the news? It doesn't matter how the media views it I gaurentee that anyone who WANTED to go to that place either booked tickets or said lets see how this works out then we'll go.

Same thing with a BDSM resort, if its big enough the word gets around and the media is drawn to it.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:08:10 PM   
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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:11:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Check your law books...here in Washington, if the police are called for domestic violence someone goes to jail, regardless of who called the police (maybe a neighbor) and whether or not someone wants to press charges.
 
They leave it for the court to decide whether or not Domestic Violence took place, and while it can be inconvenient for kinksters...it's safer for victims of domestic violence. They don't have to allege abuse in front of the other party. And, the police aren't responsible for making a decision on-site.
 
The point is...no complaint by the victim is required.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:16:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: spanklette

Check your law books...here in Washington, if the police are called for domestic violence someone goes to jail, regardless of who called the police (maybe a neighbor) and whether or not someone wants to press charges.
 
They leave it for the court to decide whether or not Domestic Violence took place, and while it can be inconvenient for kinksters...it's safer for victims of domestic violence. They don't have to allege abuse in front of the other party. And, the police aren't responsible for making a decision on-site.
 
The point is...no complaint by the victim is required.


It's like this in MI as well. In fact, if someone such as a health professional, sees injuries on a person that they find to be consistent with what they consider abuse, charges can be pressed and whatever the "victim" says is irrelevant.

So perhaps it's all about location?

Apparently TX would work.


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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:21:16 PM   
Decimus


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Status: offline 		I guess I don't know the law for the letter than in the state where I reside but I do know that if anyone tried to take or charge my domme with something, I'd be up in arms as would all my friends of similar nature. I'm a loyal obedient puppy for her, but anyone tries harm her or cause her any trouble I'm a wolf that knows no stopping until she calls me to heal :)

Besides I'm a computer programmer, she'd be released inside of an hour and those people who charged her out of a job and arrested for drug possession and embezzelment.

To quote the movie Hackers, "What can I tell ya? Computers never lie kid!"

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:29:10 PM   
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As I understand it during the infamous raid by police in Attleboro Ma .. ( Paddleboro) the police stated that in Mass you can not consent legally to being hit ... and that is what they based a lot of that mess on tho not the total basis ......

I think each state has their own laws on the books and some are obscure but used when the authorities are pushed hard enough

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:31:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		One cannot consent to an illegal act. 

This you will find true in any state, is why slavery itself cannot be accomplished in all its glory, no matter how much we wish for it.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:42:14 PM   
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What's that saying? If tying up and flogging the shit out of someone is wrong, I don't wanna be right?

Okay, maybe that's not exactly a common saying in that particular form, but dammit I like it anyway.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:50:14 PM   
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Spanner.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 3:50:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WisconsinOwner

One cannot consent to an illegal act. 

This you will find true in any state, is why slavery itself cannot be accomplished in all its glory, no matter how much we wish for it.


This is tautologous.  If an act is illegal in all circumstance, then the matter of consent is rendered moot.  Hence prosecutions of prostitution and gambling--the "victimless" crimes.

However, the basic aspects of kink essentially boil down to assault and restraint/kidnapping (applying the terms of most penal codes).  The essence of both types of offenses is a lack of consent by the "victim" of the offense.  Thus consent is directly relevant to whether acts involved in BDSM play are in fact illegal.


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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 8:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		ooo ooo i like it! kind of like an exit to eden deal.

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RE: BDSM Town - 9/30/2007 9:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well there's already Hedonism resorts, swinger resorts, nudist cruises and all sorts of stuff.

And you can't go a single weekend nearly without some kinky all weekend convention going on somewhere in North America anymore really- plenty of them outdoor based events in the summer months as well.   

That works well enough for my needs.

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