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I’m afraid cigarette addition is just as much a disease as obesity…All but a very few obese people are just as self indulgent as cigarette smokers.

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I’m afraid cigarette addition is just as much a disease as obesity…All but a very few obese people are just as self indulgent as cigarette smokers.

There is an immediate cure these diseases.. quit bending the arm that holds and delivers the booze, the food or the cigarette to your mouth.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
Thanks for clearing that up, Mrs. Reagan.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I’m afraid cigarette addition is just as much a disease as obesity…All but a very few obese people are just as self indulgent as cigarette smokers.

There is an immediate cure these diseases.. quit bending the arm that holds and delivers the booze, the food or the cigarette to your mouth.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mrs. Reagan.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I’m afraid cigarette addition is just as much a disease as obesity…All but a very few obese people are just as self indulgent as cigarette smokers.

There is an immediate cure these diseases.. quit bending the arm that holds and delivers the booze, the food or the cigarette to your mouth.

Thanks for clearing that up, Mrs. Reagan.

Oh come now.how many excuses do we have to make for weak-willed people making excuses for themselves?  If someone can tel lme HOW they became a drunkand or why they get fat and stay that way.. I think  they can put that energy into getting their act together instead of hoping others will just accept them as the sorry speciminies of humanity they are..they'd be a lot happier.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59


There are many,many diseases that you could suffer from,if you use tobacco.

Cancers in the mouth/throat,stroke,diabetes, cardiovascular issues,heart attack,loss of elasticity of the lung tissue and blood vessels,Emphysema.
You can lose a foot to  gangrene.

I have a friend who cut off a finger,on table saw.They reatached it,but because he was a smoker,his body wouldn`t heal as well,and the finger never reattached.

Many people,live for many years,in a debilitated state,tethered to an oxygen tank,or one those  portable(kinda) breathing units.

I have a neighbor who lives this way.He can barely walk to the mail box.
If you breath through a straw(one single straw),you can get an idea of what having diminished lung capacity is like.

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Yes, smoking contributes to cardio-vascular desease as does sitting in your car instead of walking, as does a lousy diet. A bad diet can leasd to many comparable complaints as smoking, traffic pollution contributes to the same illnesses. You don't have to smoke to get any of the deseases you mention ion today's polluted environment. We still come back to the fact, if smoking is so dangerous why don't governments ban it, rather than profiteering from putting higher taxes on the people that smoke? Many drugs are banned so there are precedents. As long as the sale of cigarettes is legal, there is no moral reason for the government to charge directly or indirectly, punative taxes that will hurt the poor. If the government are so concerned about the poor, which trhey aren't,(as the US government's record shows, the poor can go fuck themselves.) they would give incentives to stop smoking, take exercise and eat healthily (by making healthy food cheaper than junk food).

Smoking like any other habit if indulged moderately will not harm you but if you are going to smoke, drink, eat crap, watch TV all day and then drive to work and sit on your arse, it becomes a dangerous contributor to illness as do the other habits. If a government forced people to pay higher taxes on TV watcher, junk food eaters and car owners, I wouldn't object to my paying higher taxews for smoking.

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Global Warming can't be real, because apparently hell just froze over  when meatcleaver and I agreed on something - except where he tries to suggest that the US doesn't do anything to care for the poor.

I'd like to know exactly how much is spent on the poor here in the US through food stamps and "Social Security" and FEMA, etcetera etcetera etcetera. Free government cheese... subsidized housing.