SunnyTawse
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Why not bring up the damn ethical concerns, instead of just alluding to them????? Why not cum out and say that you think this shit is wrong for anyone but your hallowed self, oh divine Lady????
Because it was midnight and I had to be up at 6 a.m.... what fun. I'm a night owl and it's always a challenge to get into bed at a reasonable hour. Hey, midnight was pretty reasonable, don't you think? Six whole hours.
Anyway, the ethics of orgasm training have nothing to do with it being wrong for anyone but my hallowed self. It has to do with the particular techniques that are used, probably one of the most important of which is what the triggers are.
Those who don't believe it's possible probably won't understand how effective the training can be. One of the nicer benefits of the training, in my opinion, is that it can intensify orgasms significantly. Some who haven't looked into the matter might think it would be fun to have orgasms here, there and everywhere--and that might be true of a mild or moderate orgasm. It shouldn't be too difficult, however, to see how having a convulsive orgasm while driving in rush hour or running down a flight of stairs could be hazardous to one's health. So the choice of a trigger word or phrase has to be given some thought. It can't be something that would be heard at any random moment.
Then of course there would also be the ethics of conditioning the subject to come to orgasm only on a particular person's command. Someone mentioned they'd read that such conditioning wears off in about a year--was that on this thread?--and that can be true, but it depends upon the persistence and consistency of the training. It's possible for someone dabbling with it to see some result and that result might wear off fairly quickly, but those whose kink it is reinforce their conditioning persistently and consistently, always over-training before going to the next step. The reason for doing that is, as many have mentioned, the mind is the unimaginably powerful; when you first trigger an orgasm on demand and the subject responds as desired, the shock and surprise indelibly impress upon his or her psyche an even deeper association between the trigger and the orgasm. Likewise, if you make an unsuccessful attempt too early, the person may come to believe it's impossible, and believing it so, it may become so. So those who enjoy this sort of thing take it pretty seriously and tend to overtrain--or what some would consider to be overtraining. In fact, though, to achieve what most purists set out to achieve, the Dominant has to be very dedicated.
The other thing that can happen is a sort of feedback loop, where the subject cannot stop orgasming. It is exhausting and frightening, not at all the stuff of fantasies. I'd have to dig out my research to give you more information, as I don't recall at the moment exactly what the pitfall is that leads to this particular consequence. But yes, there are reports of this happening in some of the academic journals.
I don't think there are ethical concerns such as those one might have with rape play or flogging a stranger at a party. The kind of conditioning I am talking about can really only be accomplished by a close partner, one who knows their subject well and intimately... the results of which are intense orgasms within 20 or 25 seconds from a completely cold start, whether male or female, from a verbal or visual command only. I tend to think that it takes a while for two people to have a close enough relationship to make possible the kind of trust and openness necessary for a long-term training like this. That implies the Dominant has the kind of knowledge of the submissive that would enable her or him to rule in or out anything like rape play, and it's light years away from flogging a stranger at a party.
My intent is not to sound high and mighty, to condescend, or to impress anyone with anything except to encourage people who are interested in dabbling with this particular kink to learn as much as they can about it, just as they would if they were taking up fire play or the singletail. And, following the advice of my mentor some 20-plus years ago, to discourage people from discussing techniques on an open list like this, solely because it can be counterproductive for those submissives who would otherwise be good candidates for the training. And to that mentor, should he happen to be on this list, my eternal thanks.
breatheasone, I think the only way you can be convinced it's possible to be trained to orgasm on command as I describe may be to experience the effect of the training yourself. If that's the case, have your husband/mate/Dominant contact me directly and I'll talk with him.
Y'all have a nice evening now.
Sunny Tawse
Sadien Domina
Archon of Rings
http://AthenorLodge.com
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