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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 2:08:00 PM   
MasterDoc1


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Right after I posted last this came out.

ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA -- The Ron Paul 2008 presidential campaign raised $5,080,000 during the third quarter of 2007.  That is an impressive 114 percent increase from the second quarter.
Cash on hand for the Paul campaign is $5,300,000.
"Dr. Paul's message is freedom, peace and prosperity," said Paul campaign chairman Kent Snyder.  "As these fundraising numbers show, more Americans each day are embracing Dr. Paul's message."
Ron Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain.  Romney's fundraising was down 29 percent.  Giuliani was down 40 percent.   McCain was down 55 percent.

ABC NEWS just described this figure as "jaw-dropping". It is 5 TIMES as much as Huckabee raised despite the fact that Huckabee has gotten 10 times as much attention in the media.

Hillary's pro-war stance gives Paul his big chance.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 3:01:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Clinton raised $27 million in quarter 3 and Obama raised $20 million in the same period. 5 million is chump change.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 3:09:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe supporting a 3rd party candidate will offset the Nader nuts and it will be a real slaughter in favor of the democrats.

I’m afraid most people in this country are beginning to loose respect for the so-called religious right and their fanatical views. Most see in the Middle East what happens when religion and politics mix.

I do believe however this country is ready for a 3rd party. If Ross Perot had not proven himself a nut… he may have been elected. People are tired of Republicans and Democrats and a do nothing congress.
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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 3:15:58 PM   
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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 3:31:23 PM   
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the so-called religious right and their fanatical views.


I saw the word "Christ-o-fascists" used for an alternative label.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 7:49:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ken: Paul is not (yet) running against Hillary OR Obama. He is running against the republicans. And that was the point:
Ron Paul's 114 percent increase is in stark contrast to the decrease suffered by Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, and John McCain.  Romney's fundraising was down 29 percent.  Giuliani was down 40 percent.   McCain was down 55 percent.
His campaign is moving up from the outside.


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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 11:52:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting twist on the Paul fundraising: He's out-raising all his GOP peers in donations from the military. Turns out there are many thousands of "phony soldiers" (by Mr. Limbaugh's definition) who are donating to not just Paul but to the anti-war Democratic candidates. Sounds like they've had enough of the blithe abuse they've received from the Neocon-Chickenhawk Party.

http://www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=300

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/3/2007 11:57:47 PM   
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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/4/2007 12:58:10 AM   
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We are winning the war of attrition.

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ya but we are short by 54,000


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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/4/2007 1:01:17 AM   
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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 5:36:39 AM   
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In order to win over Obama Hillary will likely have to get down and dirty. If he is not on her ticket as VP many African-AMerican's would feel VERY aggrieved by her badmouthing him (the whole black man waiting on white lady thing).


I doubt that. Politics is politics. If Hillary wasn't the frontrunner and dumping on Obama, whoever else was the frontrunner would be doing it. And what Hillary'd come out with would be nothing compared to what the Republicans do regularly, already trying to paint him as a Muslim extremist.


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That's some funny shit. Ron Paul will never be the legal resident of the White House. No matter how disgusted with main stream politics people get no way do enough vote libertarian to elect that liar.


Liar? How so?

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Want to bet a lot of them know what happens to the poor in the US if he shuts down the Dept of Ag?


Given that most farm subsidies go to big corporations owned by white guys, if they had any brains they wouldn't give a shit.


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I think they are just trying to derail Rudy's campaign. Rudy's abortion stance is just too much for them to swallow.


Ironically, if they swallowed, abortion wouldn't be so much an issue.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 7:31:22 AM   
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That's some funny shit. Ron Paul will never be the legal resident of the White House. No matter how disgusted with main stream politics people get no way do enough vote libertarian to elect that liar.


Liar? How so?

All libertarian politicians are inherently liars or fools. Eliminating all the government programs they claim they will would cause, at minimum, nationwide chaos and a recession to rival the Great Depression. Anyone who has studied government to any sort of reasonable degree knows that so claiming to intend to do that makes Paul a liar since he is clearly no fool.

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Want to bet a lot of them know what happens to the poor in the US if he shuts down the Dept of Ag?


Given that most farm subsidies go to big corporations owned by white guys, if they had any brains they wouldn't give a shit.

Little program called Food Stamps, ever heard of it? It's a Dept of Ag program. Paul wants to shut down one of the truly effective social safety net programs.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 7:45:45 AM   
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The real time alternative is supporting (tacitly or otherwise), the status quo by making no change for fear of the negative consequences.

Omelettes, eggs, nes't ce pas?


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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 7:53:05 AM   
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The real time alternative is supporting (tacitly or otherwise), the status quo by making no change for fear of the negative consequences.

Omelettes, eggs, nes't ce pas?

If you're serious about reducing the tax burden on the american people I'm all for that but don't lie about it. Admit it can't be done quickly and that a lot of the federal government is necessary and the tax burden is never going to be reduced to zero.

Since that isn't what Paul or most other Libertarian's say I will not support them.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 8:43:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron Paul a liar ? OK.

I have never had a food stamp in my hand unless I bought it on the street for forty cents on the dollar.

I don't think Dr Paul is a fool. If elected he knows full well that he cannot return this country to a Constitutional government overnight. But the trend would be in that direction.

If there were jobs in this country there would be no need for food stamps. The government has no obligation to feed anyone. But Paul will not make it, they will shoot him if necessary. Why ? Not because of stupid ass food stamps, he would stop foreign aid to Israel. What do you think the Mossad will do ? Remember Kennedy. All he wanted to do was keep them from having nukes, you try to take away their money, damn, I can only imagine.

Thing that gets me is they can't seem to nail Paul on anything illegal. Trafficant was for the people, and a couple of mistakes sent him to jail. In this day and age, I think it is a credit to Dr Paul that they can't get him on anything. It takes a sharp motherfucker to stay out of their sights.

You are not ready for Pon Paul. There would indeed be a period of chaos as we adjust to a society that is run right, according to the Constitution. I take nothing from the gavernment and I do my best to give them nothing. The government could disappear today and it would not affect me in any great way, except for the customers who are sucking the teat of government for a check to continue their miserable lives. I guess it would have an impact on my life, just not directly.

You are not ready for Ron Paul, so you will be taking what "they" are offering. Just shut the fuck up and deal with it. You can't handle a life of freedom where you are totally responsible for your own actions as well as your own well being. You have been bred for this plantation, and you do not want out.

But the one thing I would like to have clarified for me if someone is so inclined to indulge me ; just when did Ron Paul lie ? Exactly what statement ?

T

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 10:59:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to Suzannes post, Paul has gotten 600$ (six hundred), more than pro war John Mcaine.  The real anti war guys like Kucinich, don't even show.  The millitary gives such a small amount (buts votes in high porportion) it is not really a valid sample to draw conclusions from.  1.5 million active duty and reserves.  19,000$ for pual.  If every soldier kicked in a penny, it would be more than 19k.  The article also notes that most contributions come from the Officers (tiny % of the pool)  not the fighting Men and Women(the vast majority of the voters in the service).  Interstingly, the Pro war Pepublicans get far more money combined than the anti War Republican(s), so if this poll really is releveant, its not good for Paul.  Combined the republicans dwarf the democrats in donations, again, not good for the anti war side.

Is Hillary Pro or Anti war this week?  I can't keep up.  She does seem to be the front runner for the Dems, and doesn't even show in this article.

I do not think the giving is based on thier war stance at all, and the entire article is meaningless. There are religious kooks in the Millitary, and of course they support Paul.  There are African American Officers in the millitary, and of course they support Obama.  Very few of our soldiers support the Vote Vets/MoveOn/Soros position, despite many having issues with the execution of current plans.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 11:55:02 AM   
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You are not ready for Pon Paul. There would indeed be a period of chaos as we adjust to a society that is run right, according to the Constitution. I take nothing from the gavernment and I do my best to give them nothing. The government could disappear today and it would not affect me in any great way, except for the customers who are sucking the teat of government for a check to continue their miserable lives. I guess it would have an impact on my life, just not directly.

Are there millions of jobs going wanting in this nation? Shutting down all the completely legal and inside the Constitution federal agencies and departments Paul has said he would shut would put millions of Americans out of work. Anybody who thinks the chaos and recession resulting from that wouldn't affect them is worse than a fool.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 1:31:38 PM   
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The real time alternative is supporting (tacitly or otherwise), the status quo by making no change for fear of the negative consequences.

Omelettes, eggs, nes't ce pas?

If you're serious about reducing the tax burden on the american people I'm all for that but don't lie about it. Admit it can't be done quickly and that a lot of the federal government is necessary and the tax burden is never going to be reduced to zero.

Since that isn't what Paul or most other Libertarian's say I will not support them.


That's fine, as long as those opposed are equally honest about their de facto support of business as usual, the status quo, and the powers that be. Can't have it both ways.

Waiting for painless or win-win solutions is likely to be a long wait.

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 7:57:35 PM   
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It's about time that all christians beging to return the favor and learn some tolerance.

Not to split hairs here, dear, but you're not showing much of it here yourself.  Hear me and hear me clearly....some of us Christians have lots of tolerance.  Perhaps one of the toughest things for me to tolerate personally though are the opinions of those who think ALL Christians think the same and are all intolerant nimrods.  It's just not true, ok?

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RE: Christian right considers backing a 3rd party candi... - 10/6/2007 11:11:24 PM   
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