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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/4/2007 3:56:14 PM   
seeksfemslave


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ORIGINAL: chellekitty
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Not keen on the idea of morality being  separated from legality. Do married couples in the US get extra tax allowences both as a couple and when children "appear" ?

define married couples? because if the extreme religious right...not the "republican party" but the extreme religious right had it's way, a married couple, not even touching the possibility of poly, would be one man and one woman who can and will reproduce...any variation would be illegal...and these are people that get voted in...and stay in...

Looks as tho' I'm the only bigot on the block because I do think marriage should be the province of a man and woman. Nature's way it seems to me.
If same sex couples wish to live together so be it but that should be a personal choice , fashion statement or whatever but should NOT be recognised by legal approval, tax allowences etc etc.

There's plenty of stats. to show the negative consequences of casual relationships, especially the effects on UM's, but in todays foolish world PC Liberalism holds sway.

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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/4/2007 4:15:47 PM   
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Looks as tho' I'm the only bigot on the block because I do think marriage should be the province of a man and woman. Nature's way it seems to me.


...my italics......
nature may be more complex than you can imagine
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/07/MNG3N4RAV41.DTL


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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/4/2007 4:32:08 PM   
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I am well aware that homosexuality exists in nature but heterosexual relationships nearly always produce children, a serious responsibility that has properly been recognised by Church and State sanction/consideration.

Irresponsible child bearing is having serious social consequences and imposing major financial costs.
Homosexuals should do their thing, accept their status and pipe down a bit IMO lol

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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/7/2007 6:55:43 AM   
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and this is why Vi Johnson was the keynote speaker at Beyond Vanilla 17 and not i...

Damn, it feels good to be back at Beyond Vanilla. Before I do anything else,
I promised my spouse that I would send her regrets to all of you. Jill
loves Dallas and Oklahoma as much, if not more, than I do. She truly
regrets that she could not be with me this weekend. Next, let me say thank
you to all of the Beyond Vanilla committee for inviting me, and the van full
of stuff I brought with me, back to this great state. It's been a little
too long since I've fellowshipped with the NLA Dallas Family. As a matter
of fact, the last time I was an attendee at Beyond Vanilla, I spent a little
time standing on this stage talking to ya'll.

It's almost as if the committee members knew that I needed to come home. I
don't know if it's fate, fortune or coincidence, but it seems that when
things trouble me or I feel this tribe is threatened, I talk about it in
Dallas. When new ideas are created and need a incubator, Dallas seems to be
the place where those ideas are nurtured. Damn near every time Jill or I got
a wild hair up our .ahem, we have talked about it here in Dallas. Sometimes
you all talk us out of mischief, sometimes ya don't. Last time you didn't,
she ran for International Ms Leather.

Dallas has a hell of a track record. And it's that Texas influence (not
leather history) that I want to talk to you about now.

A few years ago I was asked to do the keynote for the Master / slave
conference in D.C. Talking about the lifestyle that I love was an easy
thing to do. The speech just about wrote itself. Then . I got an email from
past NLA-I president Spencer Bergstedt, talking about pending legislation in
Texas that potentially threatened the lifestyle that we are all a part of.
Spence was asking that our community come together to fight Texas, House
Joint Resolutions #6 and 19. Now for those of you who don't know about
House Joint Resolutions #6 and 19, they were basically anti gay legislation
which could have allowed the state of Texas to nullify partnership
agreements, civil unions, and contracts between legal strangers. (Remember
that term. I'm coming back to it.) Spence was worried that these contracts
could conceivably include wills, powers of attorney and health care
proxies.

I read both bills, got mad as hell and then rewrote the entire speech.
Resolution 6, died in committee. However . House Joint Resolution 19, also
called the Marriage Protection Amendment, penned by Warren Chisum and 74 of
his colleagues, actually passed the 79th session of the legislature.

Chisum defended his love and marriage bill, "calling it a biblical issue".
Now, forgive me while I take a little detour here, but I've got a question.
Aren't we a nation founded on the *separation* of church and state?
Personally, I don't have a problem with "marriage" being a "biblical issue"
as Mr. Chisum put it. All he has to do is get the "state" out of the
marriage. That Mr. Chisum means no more tax deductions, social security
benefits, insurance, or government protections of any kind. If on the other
hand, marriage is a legal partnership between two people who love each
other, then get the church out of the partnership. Pick one Mr. Chisum, you
can't have it both ways. Sorry about that little detour, I needed to vent.

Getting back to House Joint Resolution 19: Yes the bill was aimed
specifically at the gay community. But the spatter thrown up by that bill
could have affected not just me as a gay woman, but me as a leather woman.
Spence told me that "legal strangers" (I told you we would come back to that
term.) is defined by law as any two or more people not bound by blood ties
or the ties of marriage. And folks, that's most of us in *this* room.
Legal strangers is anyone who does not fall into the "One man, one woman for
the purpose of procreation" , category. In other words folks: *anyone* who
chooses to love differently. Our sexual orientation or gender
identification has little if anything to do with it.

The speech that I telling you all about, was given before the referrundum
came to a vote. So a few months later, I did a little follow up research
because I was curious about the outcome of House Joint Resolution 19. In
November of 2005, that bill lead to a referendum to amend the Texas state
constitution to define marriage aasss a union between one man and one woman.
And that amendment was *passed* into law by 76% of the voting population of
this great state. Notice I didn't say all of the eligible voting population.
*Now*, let me give you the *rest* of the facts according to the Houston
Chronicle. In the 2005 election, 17% of the eligible population of the state
of Texas voted. I want to make sure you heard me, I said 17%. That's right,
less than 17% of the population changed the constitution of the state of
Texas. To put it another way, 83% of the people of this state didn't think
their right to love as they choose was important enough to get their asses
to a voting booth and express their opinion. Texans . what the hell
were you all thinking?

Your neighbor to the north, the other state Jill and I love with all our
hearts, Oklahoma, not only will NOT protect the rights of two same sex
people who love each other, but had the nerve to pass an Adoption
Invalidation Law. This brilliant piece of legislation basically made any
child in, or passing through, the state of Oklahoma parented by a same sex
couple, an orphan for as long as they remain in the state. Now we are
criminals if we love each other AND our children become orphans if we love
them and they us. The good news is: the law was eventually struck
down. The bad news is: many of the idiots who voted this into law are still in
office. Who elected these yahoos anyway?

In 1996, the United States Congress enacted the Communications Decency
Act. This is the piece of law that Barbara Nitke and the NCSF fought all
the way to the Supreme Court. They argued that basically, because of the internet,
community is impossible to define in order to apply the standards of
decency that the law mandates. While I understand the arguments posed by Barbara
Nitke and the NCSF, I want to take a step back here. I have a problem with
the implications of the word decency. Who decides what is decent and what
is not. Not just for the greater community but for me as an individual? I
would think that *I* am the best judge of what I consider decent. And I
have the right to enforce that decision by turning off the channel, not
going to a website, bypassing a piece of art *I* deem obscene. Note the
word I here. The decision is MINE as is the responsibility for that
decision.

Obviously, I'm wrong in my thinking. Who decides what is obscene for
me and the community of which I am a part? The same "ijiots" who declared
that the breasts of Lady Justice were indecent . my elected officials.

I could stand here for a lot longer than this citing case, after case,
after case, of infringements to our "pursuit of happiness. The Defense of
Marriage Act, The Clean Airwaves Act, The Broadcast Decency Act, hell, the
Patriot Act. I could talk to you all until you all were as tired of
listening to me as I would be of talking. So let's get to the common
denominator in all of this. All these laws are written, and then voted
onto the books, by the people WE choose to represent US. These men and
women are elected into office to represent their constituents, not discriminate
against them: to represent the group who elected them, not their
individual conscience. We all have a conscience, it helps us to live with honor, and
love with truth and dignity. But, if you want to follow your
conscience and not the will of the majority, be a priest, not a politician.

And that brings me to the next point, the majority. Webster defines
majority as, "the greater share." That is a lot more than just the vocal
few. I remind you Texans, your constitution was changed by 76% of the 17%
who voted. George Bush was elected to the office of the presidency by just
38% of the people of this country. Are we to allow ourselves to be
legislated out of history because of our own complacency, because we
believe our one voice, our one vote doesn't count? That's exactly what that 17%
wants you to believe. WE are the majority and WE had better remember that.

In 1936, Winston Churchill said that "The era of procrastination, of
half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays is
coming to a close. In its place we are entering a period of consequences. " That
was 71 years ago. Yes it's about living the lifestyle but it's also about
protecting the lifestyle we live. If we don't, raise our voices, be heard
by our ballots, we just may not like the consequence of our inaction.

In these last few minutes I hope that I've caught your attention. Hell, I
hope I've pissed you off. The right to the artistic expression of our
lifestyle, the right to privacy within the groups that we form to support
each other, the basic right to love who and how we choose, is being
attacked all over the country, either directly or indirectly. What are ya gonna do
folks?

It's 2007 and we've got one year. One year to stop being ruled
motivated and manipulated by a small but *very* vocal minority. One year to undo a whole
lot of wrongs. One year to straighten a whole lot of mess. One year before
we have a new deal or old bullshit. The choice is ours. Nitke vs. Ashcroft
proved that one voice can make a difference. Barbara and the NCSF may have
lost the battle, but they won the war, they got our attention.

One voice may cry alone in the wilderness. "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not
going to take it anymore." I'm adding my one voice to that cry. My one
voice makes that cry just a little louder. If we all add our voices, it's
not a cry any more, it's a battle chant. Let's scream loud enough to shake
the walls of government, tell them that they had better listen of be voted
OUT of office. I'm a voice WITH a vote: a leather woman with a voter's
registration card. and I'm going to use it.

How many people in here are registered to vote and exercised that right in
past elections? How many NLA-I members in here can say that all their
leather brothers and sisters are voting? How many people in here can say
that Texas Council of Clubs is registered to vote? How many Mistresses and
Masters in here are registered to vote? How many Masters know if their
slaves are registered to vote? First we make sure we can vote. Then we DO!

Can you see the bumper sticker I'm holding up? It says "Kinky Voter." And
it's going on the back of my car. But just in case someone misses
that, it's also on the back of my t-shirt. Matter of fact, we need a whole pile
of tee shirts to say "lesbian voter," "gay voter," "D/s voter," "M/s voter". Make
a bumper sticker. Put it on the back of your car. Make a sign, embroider a
jacket, put it on a tee shirt. It's time -- as a matter of fact, it's past
time -- we stop cowering in fear of exposure and unite with one voice, one
ballot to say "I have had enough of this."

I am a dangerous person in politics. I'm a bitch with a ballot, and I plan
to use it!


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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/7/2007 7:04:03 AM   
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i'm a 20 yr voting veteran - casted a ballot in every election from city, county, state and national elections

however in Chicago, getting people to the polls is difficult. how we vote is determined by 2 factors - weather and turnout. if the weather is bad (rain, storms, etc), voter turnout will be low ...even if the weather is good - don't expect a spike in turnout either. for example - Mayor Daley was the projected winner for his re-election at 8a hr on all local news channels (and he did win again) and voter turnout was the lowest ever in election history especially in the African-American community. we don't vote yet we're THE biggest complainers about everything AFTER the election is over.

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RE: to everyone with a political opinion... - 10/7/2007 7:43:19 AM   
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did you do everything you could in the last election?
Yes
no, i don't mean the last presidential election....i mean the last local election?
Yes, I directly assisted one of the candidates quite a bit.
how about the last state election?
Yes, I helped manage a campaign.
did you register to vote?
A long time ago.
did you vote?
Several times.
did you make sure everyone you knew was registered to vote?
Yup, at least tried to.
did you make sure everyone you knew could get to the polls when it came time to vote?
As much as possible, I was busy as heck.

I agree with you and feel that if all you do is bitch about things and never get involved then you may be better off just shutting up and sitting back. I know numerous people that are exceptional bitchers and when asked are not even registered to vote! How the hell to they expect things to change if they don't even vote? I also try to do a lot of research on both sides of issues not just the propaganda from one side or the other. 

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