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LotusSong -> About Goth (10/4/2007 5:47:06 PM)

I was just wondering.... what is the attraction of the Goth lifestyle?




LadyEllen -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 5:49:12 PM)

Well, you get to roam Europe, sacking cities, then settle in sunny Spain.

Sounds OK to me, but you know - work commitments, kids and so on?

Something you have to do whilst youre young I think

E




LotusSong -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 5:52:48 PM)

Thanks Ellen:)  But I still see people in the 30s and up still doing the white face black garg and hair thing.  I was just curious as to what the attraction is.




LadyEllen -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 5:57:09 PM)

Oh, sorry - you mean those kind of goths? LOL!

Right now, I'm glad my sister grew out of it at 19 - having inherited some gothy clothes and lots of CDs of stuff I like but which I'm age restricted to buy

E




DiurnalVampire -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 5:59:29 PM)

I never understood the Goth lifestyle.
In order to make a statement about my individuality, I am going to dress like EVERYONE else who is also a goth...

DV




popeye1250 -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:09:45 PM)

Yeah, I could never understand that "Adam's Family" look.




ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:21:19 PM)

Goth is fuckin sexy as hell! [sm=applause.gif]




LadyEllen -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:22:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

Goth is fuckin sexy as hell! [sm=applause.gif]


Was that you looking at me in my sister's goth dress then?

E

PS - I decided to forego the army boots she would wear with it!




lazarus1983 -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:23:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

I never understood the Goth lifestyle.
In order to make a statement about my individuality, I am going to dress like EVERYONE else who is also a goth...

DV



Wow, that is EXACTLY what I say when asked of my opinions on goths. Weird. Get out of my miiiiiind!




Arpig -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:23:52 PM)

I suspect the fact that nobody over 25 seems to get it is half the appeal




ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:30:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

quote:

ORIGINAL: ChicagoSwitchMal

Goth is fuckin sexy as hell! [sm=applause.gif]


Was that you looking at me in my sister's goth dress then?

E

PS - I decided to forego the army boots she would wear with it!


Probably ;)




ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:35:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

I suspect the fact that nobody over 25 seems to get it is half the appeal


I'm almost 40. I don't dress or act goth but I get the appeal. Personally I think started with the catholic imagery blasphemy of Black Sabbath and the like which Ozzy Ozbourne continued in the 80's. The whole thing is just sexy as hell to me. :)




petdave -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:35:34 PM)

It's all about the goth chicks.
They wear fishnets and corsets and leather, so they're like Dommes, except you don't have to pay to talk to them.
Total awesomeness [:)]

...dave
(i drive a hearse
it could be worse
i could be ridin' in the back...)




RRafe -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 6:38:48 PM)

Goths are fun.

I wanna sell them leather gear.




SugarMyChurro -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 7:15:54 PM)

The "gothic" culture has several possible starting points over the centuries. I personally place its most modern roots in the poetry of folks like Poe, the Romantics, Baudelaire, Mallarmé, Rimbaud, Valéry, and so on. On the art side I'd suggest it begins with the Pre-Raphaelites or certainly the Symbolists. This is all fin de siècle stuff in the main. Musically it starts with either the Cabaret Voltaire (not the band) or the beats.

It's been going on for decades, if not centuries...




Bufotenin -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 7:21:46 PM)

The 'goth' subculture was never about 'individuality', except perhaps in the words of angsty adolescents or television journalists. No subculture is; otherwise it wouldn't be a subculture. The current popular use of the term was originally coined to describe the darker, romanticized post-punk movement/musical genre of the late 70's/ early 80's spearheaded by bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, and Joy Division. As with any movement, the fans had a tendency to share certain aesthetic preferences, such as a taste for art nouveau, German expressionism, film noir, 1930's clothing, bdsm gear (a carryover from the punk movement), anything Victorian (including the pallor that was considered so attractive), etc.. And, as with any movement, it evolved, drew inspiration from different sources, and branched-off into different directions, but the terminology for such things is slow to change. Over the past 2 1/2 decades the term became diluted into what it is today: a catch-all for everything and anything remotely dark. Many people who would probably be considered 'gothic' abhor the label. That being said, the term 'gothic lifestyle' is probably fairly meaningless today as there are no real cohesive lifestyle elements. It could be used to describe people who go clubbing in tacky costumes and cheap halloween makeup every night, it could be used to describe people who delude themselves into believing they're vampires and sleep in coffins every day while working as tech support nights, or it could be used to describe a couple who simply want to decorate their house in Victorian-style furniture, collect 80's records, drink absinthe, and have a topiary garden. 




ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 7:54:21 PM)

I don't know where it comes from. I just like the chicks. [sm=shake.gif]




iammachine -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 8:09:13 PM)

Goth: Could be a germanic tribe, could be a style literature, could be a music genre, could be fashion, could be a bastard term for all things angsty.

Presently, the main appeals of the "goth" culture as I understand them are as follows, in no particular order:

Hawt goth chix! Wimminz who wear teh sexy clothes! They're kinky too, right? Oh oh, she's all doomy gloomy, I bet she has low self esteem and will believe anything I say to get her to fuck me! Unf! Unf!

Yeah, the "hot goth girl" is a novelty commodity for many. "Gothic" fashion borrows from many other subcultures, especially currently, as many apply the term "goth" to all that is counter culture. Attach goth to any other subculture's uniform, and that probably simply implies that there's more black. Goth-punk, cyber-goth, goth-industrial, graver, romantic-goth, hippie-goth, fetish-goth, gothic lollita..... et cetera ad nauseum.

As a general rule, there is a common thread of heightened feminity amongst the subculture. This is not as common as in previous years, where androgyny was all the rage. All the same the girls are girly, and some of the boys are, too. The goth scene has been heavily tied with the club scene, as such, dramatic costuming and meat-market chic is also common. Again, the style of dress is highly variable, but you can bet it probably involves a healthy dose of flaunting the "assets" on a night out - hence the "hot goth girl" stereotype.

I want to be different..... just like everybody else!

That's a common thread amongst most subcultures. Someone strikes out to be "different", then they meet lots of other people that are different, too, and then a standard is developed for how you are different. Every group has a uniform to identify eachother. Punk rockers sport the rooster hair, rivetheads sport a gritty techy look, businessmen sport suits, yuppies sport brand names, leatherfolk sport leather, goths.... sport black of a various sort and dig copious amounts of eyeliner.

Everyone wants a place to belong. Everyone wants a sense of identity. Some people choose to find their identity within a group. That is a major appeal of the "goth" culture, quite simply, a place where you belong. Many people that cling to the title (or any subculture title) like a badge generally don't have much of a clue about the background, history and what really defines the image that they're clinging to. Really though, anyone is welcome to whatever bloody label they want as far as I'm concerned As a result, the current state of the "goth" culture is really just more a bastard term for all things dark.

What might draw someone to that?  I dunno, a tendancy to be an angsty bastard, wanting to pick up or look at the hot goth chix, liking the music (a whole nother can of worms there), liking the club scene, wanting to "fit in" somewhere, having a romantic view of all things spooky.

-iammachine
long time 'underground scene' aficionado who will bludgeon anyone that accuses her of being "goth"




iammachine -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 8:11:18 PM)

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the late 70's/ early 80's spearheaded by bands like Siouxsie and the Banshees, The Cure, and Joy Division.


You forgot Bauhaus and the Sisters of Mercy. IIRC, Joy Devision coined the term originally, and it was a total accident. :P




ChicagoSwitchMal -> RE: About Goth (10/4/2007 8:21:03 PM)

Dear God you people are ruining this for me. Can't I just like the chix in peace? I don't want to think this hard about it.[sm=biggrin.gif]




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