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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 10:21:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika

Ok. I don't see feline's question referring to an official definition. I guess I see it more this way...

I know some Dominants who insist on being called Master or Mistress by everyone involved in WIITWD and that they need to earn being called that by others...

Am I still mixed up or did I get it right this time feline?

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Yes, that's it. And thank you.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 10:27:50 AM

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I was trained Old Guard. Then it was strongly felt that the title Master or mistress had to be earned. I served an internship as a sub/slave and was trained by several good Dominants in turn. I also studied on My own and learnt things that had not been available when I was beginning.

I feel that the right to an honourific ought to be earned, either by training under suitable persons or by hard work and self omprovement. After all, we serve as examples to our subs and slaves. I did not use the title Lady for the first five or six years of My experience. When it was finally besotwed I felt almost intimidated... To be a "Lady" or a Mistress, or a Ma'am or Master or Sir means that the slave at your feet looks to you as a Superior. The power and responsibility of such titles must be earned to be genuine.

I also feel that each new slave must know that My title of Lady has been earned and that s/he is welcome to ask questios

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I whole heartedly agree with you.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 5:38:22 PM

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A Gorean Master once told me "grasshopper, it's not the Earth and it's free people we fear, it's the one's who assume they know it all."

A Master, should not assume anything, he should earn everything, beginning with respect and building to trust!"

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 6:24:39 PM

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Of course a person should earn the right to be called Master. Those interested in earning their Master's Degree from the Citizen Cane University of Universal Mastery can contact me for a schedule of classes and fees. Already a Master? Inquire about our new Doctorate of Mastery! Hurry! Available while supplies last! Accept no substitutions! Void where prohibited.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 6:25:52 PM

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A Master, should not assume anything, he should earn everything, beginning with respect and building to trust!"

Excellent!!! Too bad more don't feel that way.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 7:05:56 PM

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A Master, should not assume anything, he should earn everything, beginning with respect and building to trust!"

Excellent!!! Too bad more don't feel that way.

I think as a rule those of us who are serious about being a Master do feel that way, and prove through our actions and our behavior on a regular basis. Perhaps if you wanted some "standard" by which we earn the title, that might come close. Of course then there are those others who begin emails with "on your knees slut" and I think we know what group they go in.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 7:32:30 PM

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I think the answers may be as open ended as the question, but for the most part (this is risky), most folks who have been in the lifestyle for quite a while do feel that being addressed as Master or Mistress (or anything similar) is generally a show of respect from their owned or collared sub/slave, thus earned. As Padriag points out, there is no "set" rule, or listing of required credentials to get to this point, a shame really. For those who seem to demand they be addressed in this manner even though there is no apparent reasoning for it, perhaps they need to rethink their position and determine why anyone would (IMHO). "Sir" is a different issue (and term) altogether, but for someone I have no association with, past or present, to call me Master, would certainly make me wonder what is wrong with this picture.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 7:33:20 PM

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I feel that people should earn that title of Master or Mistress. Even if they are earning it with just one person, they are still earning it. Earning a Dom or sub title is out of thought with me. A Dom is a Dominant, as sub is a submissive. Imagine being called "Yes, Dominant, your wish is my command". But insert Master or Mistress instead and it means something completely different.

A Dom or Domme in my way of thought, is still learning. They still seek knowledge and many times they are single and looking for that special person. Whether or not that they become some sub's Master or Mistress is within that relationships domain.

But it is late and the screen is making my brain twitch, so if I confused you, I am sorry.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 8:39:09 PM

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I believe that no matter what a person is called, they have to earn that right.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/28/2005 11:47:18 PM

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I was relating this to someone else and thought I'd share it here, its a bit of funny story I thought some of you would get a laugh out of. You see, I actually was given the title Master at birth. Now hold on and don't form a lynch mob just yet... read on.

Padriag really is my first name. My father was in the military and I was born on a US military base in Germany. By quirk of this circumstance I began life with citizenship in two countries and the complex virtue of having two birth certificates. Now the Americans apparently couldn't quite figure out what to make of Padriag so when my birthcertificate was typed up (back when people still used type writers, manual ones at that) Padriag was "christianized" to Patrick... go figure.

On my German certificate however they got the name right, but apparently it was the custom then to indicate gender by adding a title. So... my name on my German birthcertificate legally reads Herr Padriag... Herr being translated from German to English as either Sir or Master. So now ya gotta call me Master Padriag cause it really is my name! Ha!

Just kidding...true story though. Life's a funny thing I tell ya.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 2:37:19 AM

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Actually, your post, Padraig, suddenly made a light bulb go off in My head.
As a small child, My sister and I received cards in the mail, and they were addressed to Miss <insert name here>...But My brother received cards addressed to Master <insert name here>. I believe it was used as a standard in this country (USA) for addressing young boys, and when they became older they became a Mister. Ladies remained Miss until married and then they became a Missus (also an indication, by taking the spouse's name that they now belonged to the husband...hmmmm. I think we are still not that far removed from the dowery syndrome and it is still practiced in some countres.) As I recall, Mister (Mr.) is just another form of Master and Missus (Mrs.) is just another form of Mistress. Of course, I could be wrong!

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 3:10:19 AM

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Right you are, they were formal forms of address imported from England (mainly, but also central Europe in general) and which remained in use in the US up through the end of the Victorian era by which time they had mostly fallen out of use, though some portions of society still use them even today (mostly the upperclass old money).

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 3:28:43 AM

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No.

Why should anyone have to 'earn a right'?

If a person isn't your Master or Mistress, then even if they 'earn that right' in your eyes, by being kinds, respectful, truthful... still doesn't mean you call them Master.

I know many dominant 'Masters' who have technically, 'earned the right' - but do I call them Master? Mistress? No - because I do not belong to them.

Does it make it more important because its been worked for? Like some token medal for doing the right thing? Should a dominant submit to a submissives whims just to earn a title?

I don't fink so....

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 4:00:28 AM

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I was trained Old Guard. Then it was strongly felt that the title Master or mistress had to be earned. I served an internship as a sub/slave and was trained by several good Dominants in turn. I also studied on My own and learnt things that had not been available when I was beginning.

I too am a hold over from more "classic" times. I was Dom821 until my Mentors allowed me to assume the title of Master. To them I was a dominant in need of training to become a Master. They (2 males and one female) were very gracious in their time with me and my first sub (who after a year became my slave). The only thing they requested of me was that I offer the same service to other new dominants who requested my help.

I must say that I have been terribly disappointed in the quality of those who have presented themselves. Most quickly disappear when they find out they actually have to do some work; especially reading and writing. They all are ready to play; but VERY few are ready to work.

The one submissive male and the dozens of submissive females I have trained have been just the opposite; a large majority have been hard workers.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 4:29:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Actually, your post, Padraig, suddenly made a light bulb go off in My head.
As a small child, My sister and I received cards in the mail, and they were addressed to Miss <insert name here>...But My brother received cards addressed to Master <insert name here>. I believe it was used as a standard in this country (USA) for addressing young boys, and when they became older they became a Mister. Ladies remained Miss until married and then they became a Missus (also an indication, by taking the spouse's name that they now belonged to the husband...hmmmm. I think we are still not that far removed from the dowery syndrome and it is still practiced in some countres.) As I recall, Mister (Mr.) is just another form of Master and Missus (Mrs.) is just another form of Mistress. Of course, I could be wrong!

No, you're not wrong. It's still used in England, but really only very formally and I don't think for much longer.

It's the bane of any small boy with the surname 'Bates'

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 5:39:28 AM

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No, you're not wrong. It's still used in England, but really only very formally and I don't think for much longer.

It's the bane of any small boy with the surname 'Bates' .

ROTFL...

My son is a Master....(teehee--- that a proud smile)

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 10:09:55 AM

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The person only needs to earn it from me; I couldn't care less how he or she gets the title from other people.

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RE: An Earned Right - 7/29/2005 11:14:02 AM

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I'm wondering if the OP is maybe parallel to asking of someone has the right to be called by such honorifics as Dr, Esq, Gen, Col, etc, without having earned it.

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