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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:39:44 AM

hisannabelle

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greetings shira,

there is that aspect of worship and of seeing him as deity within our relationship, but it's subtle and complicated and very personal for me, so i'd rather not describe that dynamic here.

that said, we do not belong to a religious tradition that precludes that possibility (that he could BE a deity), nor one that narrowly defines deity, so there are not religious conflicts for us.

ultimately, what is right for you will be a matter of personal choice (if you think it's stupid or egotistical) and religious belief (if you believe it would be wrong to see him as your god). there is no one true way where this is concerned.

respectfully,
annabelle.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:55:03 AM

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No brain, I had no idea!! Anything pre 1980 and I'm lost. Please enlighten me with your wisdom.

Very nicely said annabelle.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 2:02:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

Don't tell me you don't know people used to believe thousands of years ago the earth was flat and if you travelled too far you would fall off and be gone forever.

THERE IS NO GOD PEOPLE.

WATCH
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

What does Viking mythology (or any belief that the world is flat) have to do with Christianity - and what does the belief of people at the time have to do with whether there is or is not a supreme entity? Your choice of nick might be seen as ironic.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 4:38:44 AM

TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

I can understand saying that submission is somewhat like a religion, but to insinuate that a dominant is his submissive's God is going a bit far.

Oh yeah? Why?

Because the OP's excerpt was "submission is a religion and the Dom is god". Note my emphasis, please.

The most prevalent understanding of the word "religion" is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. The most thought-of idea of "God" is a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.

As I stated fairly clearly in my original comment, while I can understand saying that submission is somewhat like a religion, the blanket generalization of "submission is a religion and the Dom is god" is going a bit far. Again, please note my emphasis.

Of course, that is my opinion. If it is your desire that your submissive consider you to be the infallible, all-knowing, all-seeing creator of the universe, then that is your perogative. I don't believe FirmhandKY would be comfortable with me viewing him in the same light.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

We have an interesting term for Dommes I hear often called "Goddess". Is this attempt at divinity and worship okie dokie while a male taking this disposition is a "little too extreme" since he is brushing up against the big male G word of the Christian patriarchy that dominates American society?

So...some guy has a kink for labeling himself as "God"? Why is that any less repugnant than a female taking on the label of "Goddess"? Perhaps because we dont take the idea of female divinity seriously?

While "Goddess" does not hold quite the same connotations as "God", I consider the concept to be just as extreme. You make a large assumption that my comments indicate otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Sure, a dominant can be a God to his slave without it going to far if you define "God" as a concept that human beings beleive in, find inspiration in, and submit their lives to the image of in an attempt to strive to improve and be better?

If one replace the pop culture phrase of "What would Jesus do?" with "What would Master do?", then in a sense, a dominant can very much be like a god to a submissive. Someone she is inspired by and strives to improve and grow in his image.

I believe my comment that "submission is somewhat like a religion" and the remainder of my post clearly imply my agreement with the idea that it is acceptable for a dominant to be viewed as having similar influence in his submissive's life. I'm not sure just exactly what about my comments got your knickers in a wad other than perhaps not reading carefully or past the first sentence.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 4:45:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Would you say the same of the all too common label of Godess?

i know someone who commonly refers to me as little goddess. i'm still a submissive....or slave if you ask Sir.

kitten, who always has said "hearing OH GOD in the dark does not make one a deity".

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 5:24:12 AM

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It's fine for someone to have a kink for being worshipped. It's also fine for someone else, when confronted with this kink to laugh uncontrollably and block and ignore.

My take on it is that if they're setting themselves up to be worshipped, then they had better be flawless, never making an error etc. Otherwise, their clay feet will be showing.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 10:49:42 AM

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kisses MissMagnolia's nose in an ungodly fashion.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 11:48:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shira

I just thought this was an interesting question because I've had two Masters recently make comments like "submission is a religion and the Dom is god", and they seem to really get off on the idea of being "worshipped". I've never heard anyone go as far as saying they ARE God, but the indirect comparison seems to be made. Do people think that is acceptable? Would it be going too far?

Greetings Shira,

Interesting topic and just as many interesting responses.

i love the concept of worship and practice it in all aspects of my life, including service to a Dominant. By worshipping the spirit and energy within, i am also worshiping the Universal Chi. Ofcourse, i am not talking about frivolous and inane protocols to boost someone's ego. i am talking about core worship of another, primarily thru service...whether it is being a silent listener or all-out body worship. To me, it is an honour and it is what gives meaning to WIIID.

Ofcourse, your question was "Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God?"
i think anytime a person considers themself as being equivilant to their higher power or someone else's, they might have a bit of an ego thing going on. Is it ok?

meh...not my thing but i am not in a postion to say right or wrong. Just not someone i would be attracted to.

The most powerful and impressive Dominants i have served, had no need for such self-inflating comparisons~

< Message edited by dawntreader -- 10/12/2007 11:50:43 AM >

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 11:55:36 AM

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No. If they were God-like, then so many of them would not have so much excess nose hair that needs trimming and they would all know how to send great introductory emails to subs.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 12:35:49 PM

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I equate believing in God with believing the world is flat. Those beliefs, both of them, are incorrect. Science can factually prove otherwise.

To reply to someone else who said it's just my opinion that there is no God, it's not my opinion it's a fact. There isn't any God and science can prove it now. Watch that program the elegant universe on PBS and if you know anything about science or physics there is no such thing as God just as there is no real Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

It's about time somebody told the truth that there isn't any God because lately I feel like I have been having religion shoved down my throat. Especially because we are in Iraq because of some moron who thinks he talks to God. We don't have money for health care for children but we have billions to waste on stupidity in the middle east to accomplish nothing.
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 12:46:57 PM

TreasureKY

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

No. If they were God-like, then so many of them would not have so much excess nose hair that needs trimming and they would all know how to send great introductory emails to subs.

lol...

Of course, if they were truly God-like, they wouldn't need to send introductory emails at all.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:08:24 PM

sambamanslilgirl

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personally, i don't find this acceptable however your two masters aren't my masters so i can only comment about Daddy and SO. i don't look to my 2 Doms as God since they cannot compare to the all-knowing, supreme being that is. tthey know and accept that they are mere humans who can make mistakes like anyone else ...and wouldn't go as far as comparing submission to religion.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:24:50 PM

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I am not god.

I actually exist.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:32:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I equate believing in God with believing the world is flat. Those beliefs, both of them, are incorrect. Science can factually prove otherwise.

To reply to someone else who said it's just my opinion that there is no God, it's not my opinion it's a fact. There isn't any God and science can prove it now. Watch that program the elegant universe on PBS and if you know anything about science or physics there is no such thing as God just as there is no real Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

It's about time somebody told the truth that there isn't any God because lately I feel like I have been having religion shoved down my throat. Especially because we are in Iraq because of some moron who thinks he talks to God. We don't have money for health care for children but we have billions to waste on stupidity in the middle east to accomplish nothing.
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

M. Brain-

Hear hear!

About a year ago, I really came to the conclusion that we didn't need more religous tolerance, we need less- none at all in fact. If you teach children to believe, you are a child molester. If you believe, you are incapable of making a rational choice, and should be kept somewhere that you woun't be a danger to yourself and others. And if you don't like my opinion? wait for your god to strike me down- that's good- just hold your breath...

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:46:22 PM

Shira

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So many interesting thoughts here and I agree with annabelle that the use of language and diety-references in a relationship is very much a matter of personal preference, and also something that needs to fit in with personal religious beliefs.
The posters who referred to the use of "Goddess" by Mistresses had an interesting point. I am a switch but have never used the title Goddess for the same reason that I would feel uncomfortable with a Master who called himself God. However, I do know women who use "Goddess" and it does seem to be widely accepted. A friend suggested that maybe Goddess is considered "less than" God, and so does not prompt the same reaction. He suggested I try "Mrs God" and see if it works.
But jokes aside, I really like the comment from dawntreader that the best dominants have no need to self-inflate.

Shira
Mrs God to you!

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 1:50:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I equate believing in God with believing the world is flat. Those beliefs, both of them, are incorrect. Science can factually prove otherwise.

To reply to someone else who said it's just my opinion that there is no God, it's not my opinion it's a fact. There isn't any God and science can prove it now. Watch that program the elegant universe on PBS and if you know anything about science or physics there is no such thing as God just as there is no real Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

It's about time somebody told the truth that there isn't any God because lately I feel like I have been having religion shoved down my throat. Especially because we are in Iraq because of some moron who thinks he talks to God. We don't have money for health care for children but we have billions to waste on stupidity in the middle east to accomplish nothing.
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

oh no....another one..............
l

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 2:26:19 PM

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To each their own.

Common let's not have this turn into a huge debate on religion.

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 2:42:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Neala

To each their own.

Common let's not have this turn into a huge debate on religion.

Actually I wasn't referring at all to religion, I personally believe freedom of religion is absolutely everyone's right. What I was referring to is the hijacking of the post to state his religious preference or lack thereof is the right one.
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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 2:48:46 PM

SixFootMaster

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

I equate believing in God with believing the world is flat. Those beliefs, both of them, are incorrect. Science can factually prove otherwise.

To reply to someone else who said it's just my opinion that there is no God, it's not my opinion it's a fact. There isn't any God and science can prove it now. Watch that program the elegant universe on PBS and if you know anything about science or physics there is no such thing as God just as there is no real Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

It's about time somebody told the truth that there isn't any God because lately I feel like I have been having religion shoved down my throat. Especially because we are in Iraq because of some moron who thinks he talks to God. We don't have money for health care for children but we have billions to waste on stupidity in the middle east to accomplish nothing.
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

Listen mate, 97% of the universe is supposedly composed of something we can't even measure or identify. To this, science has given the name "dark matter" and "dark energy". Science says dark matter must exist, because all of our calculations and measurements and equations say it must - but we can't actually detect it, we have absolute 0% idea what it is.

What does that mean? It means our physical observable measurable and quantifiable universe is a 3% statistical anomaly.

Next, you cannot prove a negative hypothesis such as "God doesn't exist". Just because a blind person cannot see does not make the paricle/wave effects of llight non-existent. You can show only that it cannot be proven that "God does exist".

Unfortuantely, "Brain", you're just the latest in a long line of deluded and indoctrinated pseudo-thinkers who doesn't actually have any understanding of science themselves, and relies on parroting the hedge-wisdom of web pages and books that equally fail to prove any kind of point. Now, if that's your thing, by all means continue to practice intollerance and ignorance, people WILL laugh at you, but I somehow believe that won't actually wake you up. However, this discussion isn't even about whether there IS or ISNT a god, it's about whether it is acceptible for a Master or Dom to be called such.

Get with the program and stop your stupidity. Either that or change your name to 'troll'

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RE: Is it ok for a Master to compare himself with God? - 10/12/2007 4:04:26 PM

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Greetings Shira,

Thankyou~

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