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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/21/2007 9:36:19 AM   
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We ended up sharing quite a bit and I told her about my tying up fantasy.. she said she doesn't like that..
Well at least it was not a shock to her.
I did end up spanking her a bit more this time..


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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/21/2007 10:01:56 AM   
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with knots, the simplest of the easier knots to untie is the square knot, make sure you know how to tie this one as opposed to the granny knot, which is almost identical and much harder to untie.

If she said she didn't like it, find out why. Maybe it's a trust thing, maybe she actually hasn't tried it, but doesn't think she would like it. Maybe it's something she could learn to like. Maybe she doesn't see a reward in it for her. Maybe it's the particular way of being tied up that you suggested. Maybe it's an expertise issue... if you know how to do it right... which goes back to trust. There's lots of things it could be.

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/21/2007 12:54:36 PM   
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quote:

I told her about my tying up fantasy.. she said she doesn't like that..


Someone that hasn't tried it doesn't really know what they like or don't like. I know my gf now likes a lot of the things that she said she didn't, or wouldn't, like.

Take your time, ask permission when she thinks she won't like things, and always priase and reward her for trying new things.


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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/21/2007 9:55:43 PM   
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I've done a couple of minor "vanilla to kinky" conversions.  They're very do-able, and generally do follow the form that topcat indicated.  There are also things that will give you cues that she may be more open to kink than she lets on.  For example, rather than tying her down, pin her hands over her head during sex.  I see you've already spanked her, but use your fingernails more, as that's one of those mild pains that quickly becomes pleasurable in an erotic context.  If she enjoys having her hands pinned down or refers to being spanked as making her feel naughty in a way that is clearly exciting to her, these are promising signs for you.

On the other hand, be careful that she's not just humoring you.  If you aspire to top someone effectively, you should be able to read that person well.  If  you can't tell 90% of the time when this woman is holding something back when you ask her questions that she feels uncomfortable answering, you should work on that.  It's going to be slow going, just as topcat says, and it may never work, but if it does, more power to you!

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/22/2007 5:02:49 AM   
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Oh, lord, i need a cold shower! 

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/22/2007 4:55:30 PM   
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I'm not sure if the two of you would enjoy this or not, but I tend to think that even if the person I'm with isn't necessarily into the exact same things I am, making things playful makes all the difference.  Play a little game of "you try my thing, I'll try your thing" where you share fantasies.  Maybe she has some sort of secret fantasy that *she* wants to try.  Who knows, maybe it even can match up with one of your BDSM fantasies well with a little creativity.  Enjoying one another's bodies is supposed to be fun and enjoyable - and one great way to try new things that might be a little outside of your current comfort zone is to make them playful and fun.

I think a lot of people (especially those who aren't into it) automatically assume that BDSM and D/s has to be about things that are strict and rules and things like that.  And while that's part of it for lots of us, it can still be playful, lighthearted and fun which takes a lot of pressure off.  As time goes on -- *if* she is receptive to certain things -- sometimes letting her know the 'why' behind why you like what you do might make all the difference for her.  I know for me, there are times when I think that I won't like something at all, but once I hear why Sir wants it or enjoys the idea behind something I want it just as much. ;)

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/24/2007 8:18:01 AM   
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We've been sharing some more so far about ourselves, stuff about sex too..
So I'll try the suggestions given.. and use my fingernails a bit more now, scratching the back of her neck etc for example...




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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/24/2007 8:33:53 AM   
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scratching is good, I tend to like biting better... shoulders, neck, back of the base of the neck, inner thighs, lower belly. you also don't have to use rope to constrain her either. there are plenty of ways to place your body so it wedges against hers or otherwise holds her legs, arms, and/or torso still. modifying some of the holding techniques of amateur wrestling (not the "pro" wrestling stuf though) can work quite well for play and can be used to introduce more aggressive play at a later point.

I often like to tie the arms down but leave the legs free so they think they can struggle a little, but then lay between their legs leaning against one leg or both. It's pretty hard to get out of that position while I'm doing pussy torture, so it gives a little bonus to my fun and definitely fucks with their mind.

Edit: anyway, the point I was trying to make is often the solution is to find more creative means to the same end, so even if tying her with rope would freak her, you might be able to gradually get her into being able to accept it, or have alternatives that satisfies you without freaking her out.

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/25/2007 6:37:13 PM   
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There are a couple of my girlfriends that i brought over for a light play session with my Dom, ok so easy on them harder on me. And they enjoyed it. We did a lot of talking about what they liked/disliked, would want to experience and why, etc. Now if only i can get one of them back

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/25/2007 6:45:57 PM   
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*grins evilly at grlneedstolearn* you are sooo wicked! *laugh*  Actually, I did a search of this topic, and though there is some talk of converting guys into subs in the mistress section, I didn't really find anything in the master section and conversion. I'd like to see if this thread can be expanded on for educational purposes even if the OP may feel he's gotten his answer.

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/25/2007 8:14:10 PM   
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Make use of those silk scarves that others have mentioned, and blindfold the lady. Tell her to put her hands behind her head, and then have fun with the sensory teasing that you've mentioned. If you light candles around the room, the kinkiness becomes quite romantic.

Once you've had fun with the kiss-teasing, have a handy stash of random household things to trace along her skin, and make her guess what it is that you're using. (Hardest one ever thrown my way was a guitar string...I knew it was wire, but was totally stumped when I was informed I had to identify what kind) You can also use ice (makes a fun sensory toy)!

From there, you might suggest taking another silk scarf and binding her wrists and having her hold them up above her head. Play it slow, and she might just turn on to the kink.

I'm one of those converted vanilla girlfriends...and my Sir sometimes wonders if I enjoy the bondage process more than he does. ;-)

Best of luck!


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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/28/2007 9:01:20 PM   
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You just need to discuss your feelings.  If you are going to marry her, and D/s or whatever is important to you, you are setting yourself up for a lifetime of unhappiness if you are unwilling to know completely ahead of time. 

You may be happy with what she is interested in, but maybe you won't.  I've been in a long-term relationship with a vanilla woman and I was miserable.  She was wonderful, but I had a level of dissatisfaction that just wouldn't go away.

Live and learn.

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/28/2007 11:45:08 PM   
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Well communication is the key, how can you truly be happy when you are not open and honest or willing to share something that is seemingly important to you?  Share a little more each time, and keep talking it over with her.  She may be open to more than you think.  Start slow and don't push too much at once at her.  Take your time and talk her through it. 

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 10/31/2007 5:02:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TakenPet

Well communication is the key, how can you truly be happy when you are not open and honest or willing to share something that is seemingly important to you?  Share a little more each time, and keep talking it over with her.  She may be open to more than you think.  Start slow and don't push too much at once at her.  Take your time and talk her through it. 

We've broken up now.
I didn't push too hard I think. I didn't even bring up the matter again.
She did want to almost force me to have oral sex with her which I disagreed with at that moment. I don't like being forced to have sex (she said it wasn't sex). Also I'm a believer and in reality she admitted she wasn't (though she had said she was), and she said that's why she's breaking up.

Thanks for all the tips, I'll be sure to learn from them for the next time...

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 3/14/2008 2:44:01 AM   
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Now I will be meeting someone new on a date, this woman has seen Secretary (the movie).. and its one of her favourites..
I'm now wondering if she is into bdsm already.... or just kinky stuff..
Do you think I should bring up the movie in discussion or is the first time too early... not sure at this point..

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RE: girlfriend conversion - 3/14/2008 7:48:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: topcat

Sure, you can ease someone into anything, but the amount of effort involved would be tremendous, and I'd say you'd likely be looking at two or three years before there's really any payoff to it. If you are willing to defer your rewards to that extent, this would be my approach.

Judging form what you've said, I take it that you have some level of trust with this subject, and that she expresses a willingness to participate in the process. That's actually a hugh first step out of the way.

For starters, don’t use any jargon for this stuff- when you label something, you give it a string of associations in the others head, many of which maybe negative.

You are going to have to stick to light bedroom bondage for at least 3-4 months, to build on that  foundation of trust. You are also going to have to do a lot of work to make sure that she has a good time with it. A good tactic is it have regular, vanilla sex two or three times to every incident of bondage, and when she's tied up, make damn sure that it's great sex for her. Go heavy on the aftercare, eat her till she cries, make her breakfast in bed, tie her up and shave her legs, draw her a hot tub afterwards or before.

Create a situation where she WANTS you to tie her up.

If something doesn't go well, never express anger. Calm disappointment, taking the blame on yourself, will go a long way to shaping her response to the next step. "gee, girl- I'm sorry. I thought that would have been really great for you. I liked it- thanks for letting me try it."

Make any pain play you introduce VERY light, and make it a side bar to whatever else you are doing. Spank her, a little, gently, and then go on with things, or make it a short, light flogging, and then gently and tenderly fuck her. Always let her know that you wanted more, but thank her for what you did.

Debrief her after every scene- not immediately, but after a few hours, or perhaps the next day. What worked for her? Why was something scary? What if you had done 'B' before 'A' instead of after?

If you play it right, you will create a mindset where she feels safe and treasured, and is aware that you want more of what, so far, has been a pleasant and reasonable interaction. She will express a willingness for more, and once the 'thin edge of the wedge' is in place, you'll be able to introduce more and more intense levels of work into the relationship.

It takes time. Time and Patience, Time and Patience and Work. Focus, commitment, dedication. An awareness of the others innermost thoughts, drives and desires. An exacting level of technical skill and the unerring ability to apply it.

It takes Mastery.



Where were you when I was still dating men??????

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