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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 4:37:36 PM   
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OK SO HERE GOES

I AM A GENUIS AND I AM ITNO BDSM SO I THINK YOURE THEORY IS TREU

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 5:01:10 PM   
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i am driven to confess i find Lam a genusis and some of the other posters have demonstrated a depth of knowldege and ability to examine it and apply it (Lady Angelika comes to mind). So juding from the posts i choose to follow i'd say, yes, there's a higher IQ or intellect or whatever. But judging from my email i'd say we have a fairly large contingent of average and below average members on site.

What difference does it make? High IQ is no guarantee of kindness or compassion or any other quality that matters to me. It would be as if we said we had a higher proportion of blondes on site. So what?

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 5:13:53 PM   
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What difference does it make? High IQ is no guarantee of kindness or compassion or any other quality that matters to me. It would be as if we said we had a higher proportion of blondes on site. So what?


Ok can you please show me where I made any assertion that intellegence made a difference? Or guaranteed anything? Or should matter to you? And if you read all the posts, I wasn't being specific to this site.

A friend posed the question to me. I posed it to the board. That's all.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 6:53:32 PM   
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This is pretty much what I said to my friend when we were talking. It takes a certain mindset and willingness to learn, change, and communicate to have a satisfying BSDM experience.



But that's true of vanilla experiences as well.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 7:01:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't agree with your assessment at all. As you said, perhaps you have been lucky. I don't think that there are a higher number of intellectual people in BDSM any more than I beleive that there are a higher number in any other social group.
No matter where you go or who you speak to, you are going to find people of varying intellect and experience.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 7:29:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jesting aside, I have to say that my experience matches the OP's. I don't know why and can't offer a plausible reason for it, but I know a disproportionately high number of intelligent people involved in BDSM.

And I know a lot of fucking disproportionately intelligent people.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 7:44:38 PM   
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Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend ...
Mr. Common Sense. Mr. Sense had been with us for many years. No one
knows for sure how old he was since his birth records were long ago
lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having
cultivated such valued lessons as knowing when to come in out of the
rain, why the early bird gets the worm and that life isn't always fair.
Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend
more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not
kids, are in charge). His health began to rapidly deteriorate when well
intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place - reports of
a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a
classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch;
and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened
his condition. Mr. Sense declined even further when schools were
required to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student;
but, could not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and
wanted to have an abortion. Finally, Common Sense lost the will to live
as the Ten Commandments became contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense finally gave up after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is
survived by two stepbrothers; My Rights and Ima Whiner. Not many
attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone.



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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 7:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, but this is really pretty ignorant. Do you know anything about the facts of that case?

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Common Sense finally gave up after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.


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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 7:57:21 PM   
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Sorry, but this is really pretty ignorant. Do you know anything about the facts of that case?

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Common Sense finally gave up after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.




Actually no. The whole item was sent to me by a friend in the US and posted by him on various sites as humour. However, I do know first hand of several similar cases here in Australia. I fail to see how the ignorance lable fits when in many cases common sence or a lack of it is the ultimate cause of many accidents. I simply use the whole item as a reference to what I see as being a declining use of common sence in society today.


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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 8:01:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe that the ratios are the same as in any other part of life. It is important to remember, especially on these sites, that we create the environments we spend time in. If I were to visit the boards and find little or no intelligent reading, I'd probably leave. Also, because of my profile, a person who doesn't read well, would probably be too frustrated to write to me, therefore leaving them out of the pool of people to have conversations with. It's not the way I intend it, but it works that way.

I also believe that while anyone at any level can participate in BDSM-related activities, I do also think that understanding the deeper aspects of Dominance and Submission takes a person who is more capable of delving deep into their own psyche and having the constitution to pursue this path. That, too narrows the field here.

It's critical to remember, though, that intelligence and education are not synonymous. Just because a person may not be well-read or have street-smarts does not mean a lack of intelligence. If they seem bright enough to understand other things in my life and can carry on a good conversation, I have no issues helping them learn about some of the other interesting things in my life.



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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 8:06:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's ignorant because you (obviously) don't know the facts of the case you're talking about. That is the definition of ignorant.

Edited to add: Here's a start, just in case you're really interested.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

http://www.centerjd.org/free/mythbusters-free/MB_mcdonalds.htm

I'm a little tired of people pointing at the McDonald's coffee case as a sign that Western civilization is coming to an end. It is, as I've said, an extremely ignorant line to take.

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Sorry, but this is really pretty ignorant. Do you know anything about the facts of that case?

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Common Sense finally gave up after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, she spilled a bit in her lap, and was awarded a huge settlement.




Actually no. The whole item was sent to me by a friend in the US and posted by him on various sites as humour. However, I do know first hand of several similar cases here in Australia. I fail to see how the ignorance lable fits when in many cases common sence or a lack of it is the ultimate cause of many accidents. I simply use the whole item as a reference to what I see as being a declining use of common sence in society today.



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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 8:18:29 PM   
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It's ignorant because you (obviously) don't know the facts of the case you're talking about. That is the definition of ignorant.


If I was discussing cases which I'm not, then you would be correct. Since the complete details of the "case" are not disclosed, how do you know which case was being refered to, unless you were involved or close to it? The point is, you have chosen to pick me up on one very small part of an entire article which is nothing more than satire. It was, in my opinion, a mere generalisation and a reflection of the way things are. I can pick holes in a good number of satirical articles if I chose to, however because they are satire it has usually been accepted not to do so (at least in the areas where I was educated and grew up). At the very worst, perhaps we can agree to disagree and all I may be guilty of is posting something which you and mayhap one or two others feel is in poor taste. If the article or part of it insults ot offends you, please accept my sincere appologies for no insult nor offence was intended in this or any post of mine.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/29/2005 8:26:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's always a mixed bag no matter what the "group focus" is. As far as intelligence is concerned, it's how it's measured and those measurements vary. Personally, I've always been fascinated by bell curves. The people with the highest and lowest intelligence quotients are about equal in number but at opposite ends of the spectrum. It makes you stop and wonder if there isn't some connection between the two or is it just how the measuring places them.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 1:03:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: luvdragonx

I recall a conversation I had with a friend who remarked on the seemingly higher number of quite intelligent people, statistically, involved in BDSM. I'll further clarify this assessment by saying this is based on interaction via the web as well as RT. I thought about his observation and can agree that many of the people I've met and interacted with through BDSM channels have been very intelligent, as opposed to meeting people through vanilla channels. Anyone else noticed this? Or have I been extremely lucky?

I don't think you have been particularly lucky.

I seem to remember reading that highly intelligent people tend to have a higher than average sex drive and are more open-minded about trying different activities. I'm not sure if it's true, but it matches my experience.

Religious participation is inversely correlated with intelligence, so it would also seem that the highly intelligent would be relatively less concerned with following conventional sexual mores.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 2:18:08 AM   
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I seem to remember reading that highly intelligent people tend to have a higher than average sex drive and are more open-minded about trying different activities. I'm not sure if it's true, but it matches my experience.

Religious participation is inversely correlated with intelligence, so it would also seem that the highly intelligent would be relatively less concerned with following conventional sexual mores.


Thats been my finding too. I have heard it debated that this is so because the more highly intelligent folk appear to have a wider range of interests and are generally more secure in themselves and thus they rely less on things such as religion as far as adhering to the strict doctrines. However it also may be that those same folk have a better ability to find alternative arguments to saticfy themselves that what they do is ok. It's a debate which probably will never be resolved and who cares if it is or isn't anyway. People will still keep on doing what ever it is that they do.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 6:34:19 AM   
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I have heard it debated that this is so because the more highly intelligent folk appear to have a wider range of interests and are generally more secure in themselves and thus they rely less on things such as religion as far as adhering to the strict doctrines.


Not necessarily. Remember when you were young and stupid and would do such fool things? As one ages and becomes wiser they usually stop taking such stupid chances with their lives.

I've briefly read through the responses on this thread. People want to think they are intellectual it makes them feel good. "Of course I'm in the group only the intellectuals are in" Posing it to a group that is the same. Well, it is fluff. Compliments so of course most are going to agree. They want to believe as well.

However, you can have a 300IQ and not be smart. IQ is measured but it must be fully utilized in order to actually have intellect. Many do not follow through. It is easy to say....well I have such and such IQ. I was tested very high as a child. Where I did follow through to an extent I did not follow through the way I should have. I am well read and well educated but not as much as I should be.
Along with that, there is also something we call emotional IQ. We must have a reasonably decent emotional IQ to also look intelligent.

Going right along with those lines as I've heard Dark Angel ask many times now. What is the difference between intellect and wisdom? All of my life people have said to me "you're wise beyond your year's" Which tells me you gain wisdom by living. There is a person here I disagree with a lot on these board's. He usually tells me I talk not based on facts. That is wisdom. I talk out of experience. Lesson's learned. Which is all we really have with this lifestyle we are now living.

Common sense is severely lacking on these board's in many posts. To me, those people are lacking some form of intellect. Not at all the ideal society.
Most people here cannot even read the first thread to respond. The first person to respond reads something that wasn't there. Starts posting. Then an entire herd of people respond the same way. Twenty five post's later the question the original poster asked has not even been touched on. I'm also guilty of that.
The one thing about this board as opposed to other boards is people here seem to have something of a family approach. I do believe most care for other's here. Yes, we all have people we dislike. We all have people we like.
Caring does not equate to intellect.
So, as I've said prior and I will say it again. I don't see the lifestyle as being anything but a typical segment of society. We have our smarties...and our stars that aren't so bright.

Of course we'd love to believe more.


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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 6:51:31 AM   
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And I know a lot of fucking disproportionately intelligent people. Lam


<will claim to be intelligent, but not getting f**ked>

ROFLMAO

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 7:20:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		While reading the posts to this thread just now, I remembered something a friend asked me a couple months ago. She asked me if, as I grew older did the "world" seem to be getting dumber. It was a startling question because, as I listened to the question it struck me that yes, for me the world does seem to be getting dumber. Later, I thought some more about this and wondered if this isn't something that everyone experiences as they age.

It seems likely. When we're all in our teens and early twenties, we have had little or no time on our own to fully experience how to handle life. Many people zero in on some career or actitivity and really don't invest in expanding their horizons elsewhere. It's really not until we're around 30 or older that our experiences of the past start to take on a notable definition (sort of like our own personal history).

Anyone else who's been around for a while have this feeling come over them?

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 7:22:56 AM   
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I would have thought that good old fashion Common Sence was more inportant that a high intellect...




I don't think anyone is suggesting the two are mutually exclusive.

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RE: Intellect and BDSM - 7/30/2005 7:29:08 AM   
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Anyone else who's been around for a while have this feeling come over them?


Yep, and when we were young and truly ignorant we had all the answers. Knew it all and nobody was going to tell us otherwise. What asses we made of ourselves back then.


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