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OrionTheWolf -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 8:56:18 PM)
That is the user lacing it. Not lacing it and then selling it as just weed. I have seen PCP, Coke, and Speed all laced into weed. If smoked in a bowl, hash added to it. Again this is the user doing it, not just giving that extra away. Orion quote: ORIGINAL: EvilGenie quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf You were lied to or you are lying. It is that simple, and I wonder why anyone is even discussing this laced weed story. I know it, they know it, you know it, but you will not admit to it for reasons unknown, and I will not speculate about. Orion i am not a liar and if i am being lied to there are many in on this fake laced weed conspiracy because many doctors, psychiatrists, rehab counserlors, ex junkies etc all say the same thing. i personally don't care what you choose to speculate on for that matter... why even come and post here... to call me a liar. That is disrespectful, but than again what should i expect from a mysogynist gorean. When I was in my early teens weed was laced, at least here, and I watched them doing it. Some joints looked like parmesan cheese, meaning white, laced with some green stuff and I smoked it. My cousin did so when with her I did. Then I took my first steps into medicine at 21, 1984, becoming an ER nurse. We did have people come in utterly out of their heads with friends yelling it was only pot. These people did test positive in both urine and blood for PCP. It was very common and many vet's offices were being broken into. As far as I can tell, it stopped in the 80's and I went back to school to move up in medicine so to speak. I had a 20 year hiatus from smoking it until I found I had severe nerve damage to my hands and feet. There is no treatment and weed helped the pain. The weed I got then, 10 years ago, was pure weed. I also used it for the pain control when living in the UK when I could get weed as they smoke resin and it was also just weed. I don't smoke now only because I have no source and am not about to go hanging on the street asking anyone for it! When I lived in Morocco until recently I occasionally used hash (no it is not legal there any longer either) and it also worked for pain. Now I am moving to Spain and have no clue if I will get or use any. Be Well, EG

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 8:58:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The sources you sited state "rare" and that if laced, is the user doing the lacing. My statement stands, even with your insults. BTW Mysoginy is the hatred of Women, and I tend to really like females. Typical though, when called out on something, most people will use personal insult. I know alot more about the things you are talking about, than you will ever read about. Orion Yes i have gotten lots of personal insults - so that applies for me as well in your own logic. [;)] You know a lot more... ummm... excuse me if i don't take your word for it. Chest thumping is next door in the gorean forum.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 9:11:15 PM)
Is that the best you can do? It is usally a user that is not used the extremely potent weed, when they get it by "accident". Your derogatory comments just show that you know it is BS, and the only thing you can do is hurl insults. I call BS when I see BS. Orion

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 9:19:45 PM)
Obviously you only pay attention to what supports your view point so i will cut and paste from the latest link: anyone smoked laced weed by accident I was wondering if anyone else has gotten a bag off shwag off the street, and found out later (after smoking) that shit was laced. They always used to warn me in drug classes in highschool about that shit, but I always laughed it off. Anyways me and my boy got this shwag out in the ghet the other day, because our KB hookup wasn't around, and basically cuz we were to broke to get a whole 1/8($60 here). So we buy this shit from a crack dealer (real smart right), and it was real small, but dude was like "one hit and your gone". So we couldn't get anything else, so we're like fuck it, lets smoke it. Ok, so we had a couple of hits, and damn we're starting to get real done, but being the professional smoker's we are (started when we were 13, now 21) we keep going till the whole blunt is finished. Anways, I start bugging first, like my mind is all over the place and I'm scared to death. So I go upstairs, throw some water on my face and lie down in my bed and turn out the lights. Big fucking mistake, Im sitting in the pitch black, terrified, tripping my ass off. So I go downstairs, and my boy is running around the house, half naked, with one of those big steak knives and proceeds to tell me that a praying mantis was trying to get him and that he was going to kill it first. Anways, I was wondering if anyone else had a similar experience. [another one] I KNOW SOMEONE WHO'S BROTHER HAS SMOKED WEED DIPPED IN HEROIN- THO HE DIDN'T KNOW IT... I KNO THAT IT'S REALLY NOT FUNNY BUT THE PRAYING MANTIS THING DID BRING A SMILE TO MY FACE.... SORRY... I HAVE DECIDED TO PERHAPS HOME GROW FOR PERSONAL USE FOR REASONS SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU: A-I HATE ROCKIE!!!! B-WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU JUST SHOWS WHAT CAN HAPPEN WITH BAUGHT WEED- SOMEONE ONCE TOLD ME ABOUT SOME PEOPLE CUTTING ROCKIE WITH OLD MELTED VINYLS!!! C-I DON'T LIKE PAYING THE PEOPLE WHO FUCKING USE SOME OF THE MONEY THAT I GIVE THEM TO GET FUCKING CRACK OR HEROIN FOR LITTLE KIDS- OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER... YOU HAVE TO THINK WHERE THE MONEY'S GOIN!!! [another one] there's this stuff on the st they call "wet" and all kinds of things i am too stoned to remember now, it's weed smoked in the chemicals they use for embalming fluid. it acts like PCP and i have read a few articles on it from links on erowid. the reactions you had sound strangely alot like what happens to people who smoke wet. especially the hallucinations, violent tendencies (grabbing a knife, even if he didn't use it) that are uncharacteristic, and the sense to want to be naked. man that sucks! the worst i have ever been burned on laced weed was weed with some coke sprinkled on it but they were dorks and didn't use enough to really make a difference. good luck scoring some straight weed in the future!! [another one] I remember way back in the 70's once in a while at parties someone would pass a joint with dummy dust (PCP, some people called it angel dust, thc, cannibinol, it was all shit PCP) in it. No fun at all! god I hated that shit, one minute your'e fine and dandy, the next toke and the room starts looking like the funhouse at a carnival. this has happened to me once, I got a bag of budd that was between the size of a dime bag and an eighth for $60 from a good friend who usually sells me my herb. He sold it to me, and told me it was the dankest, and it looked and smelled to be; but about 20-30 min after I smoked it I was tripping balls, and I got worried, so I asked him about it. He said, "You like that don't ya?" I said, "what?" dont member exactly what else I said, but then told him that it had to have something in it, and he said he knew that it was laced with some cid which is why it was so much for so little. I told him that I didn't want that, I wanted just straight herb. He apologized but it was all good cuz I had a wicked fun day/evening. [another one] Laced weed = a myth? Well the I must be living in a fantasy. I just want to know what they put in this shit... it almost made me quit smoking. Anyway, it's my fault for coppin from some random kid in one of those corner chinese restaurants. The odd thing is that as I broke it up there didn't seem to be anything other in it, and it smelled like weed... some regular schwaggy shit. It was also my first time making a gravity bong and I took ONE HIT. As I was getting ready to fill the bottle again it hit me... i couldn't even unscrew the top, i just sat there thinking wtf? At first I thought I picked up some really good weed but then the room started going nuts and i started seeing shit like move. So I went to go lay on my couch and i started fucking hallucinating, i also felt like puking really bad. I thought the people on the tv were talking to me and I just overall tripped very badly untill i passed out or something. The next morning I woke up and felt like utter shit and i still had a crazy buzz, but it didn't feel good like a regular weed buzz, i just felt dizzy and a bit disoriented. I felt like that the whole day and half of the next. I went to class feeling like utter shit and I could barely concentrate, I also had like stomach pains and felt like puking a bit. After drinking a crapload of water and multiple showers I am finally feeling well. All this because my dealer stopped selling :O now i'm devoid of decent bud and of a dealer, so i'm fucked untill i can get another person. Anyhow this is the last time i cop something from the street... last time it was cus my dealer lives in northeast philly and i live in north philly so it's a bit of a hike. P.S. I hope no one else goes through some stuff like that, it's pretty scary... almost to the point of making me want to quit smoking right then and there. [another one] werd.. I had a very very similar experience. I bought an 1/8 from someone I didnt know, and I made this ill G-bong. I know I smoked a lot. But I felt like puking and eventually did. Then I was having wierd hallucinations all night. I started smoking at like 4pm and was tripping till like 7am. People were telling me it probably had pcp in it, but i have no clue. [another one] I remember once I smoked like 6 or so bowls with 3 other people after an 8 month tolerance break, then literally went into psychosis for 6 hours... Weed can do some fucked up shit man, don't underestimate it. [another one] I don't think I've had it as bad as you but I smoked some laced shit too, it was 4 years ago and I toked up with my former pee wee league basketball coach [image]http://forum.grasscity.com/images/smilies/luxhello.gif[/image] and I don't know if it was laced or just some really strong stuff. But need less to say, I took three hits from a fat blunt and I was gone, I did not know where the fuck I was and stumbled home after sitting on the couch for like 5 hours, and I would laugh and the most random shit, plus extrem music euphoria. The weird thing was that I was high for three days just from three hits. If the weed was not laced, it's got to be the best I have ever smoked. Sadly I can't repeat that experience no matter how hard I tried to. [another one] pay close attention to the boldedm italicized, underlinged portion I've run into some ookie dealers that will lace their shit with any random thing just to add weight; and since this guy doesn't sound like the trust worthy type he most likely did. I was chilling at some guy's house (friend of a friend of a friend type thing), we were coking up and I got up to see what he was doing. He had wet his weed and poured some cleaning powder (I want to say comet) on it and was letting it dry. "WTF are you DOING!?" "Dun worry, just tryin' to make some extra paper." As for coke and weed... no wonder you didn't feel much. Coke burns off at almost the same temp as it smokes. You'll get a nice buzz from it, really pump you up and make you feel great. If you really want to smoke a primo, cook the coke up and dump the rox in. No I'm not recommending crack usage; just telling from personal experience the best ways to do it And the list goes on but i'll stop here. This is only one message board on my first google hit regarding laced weed. But of course they are all LYING [8\|]

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 9:22:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Is that the best you can do? It is usally a user that is not used the extremely potent weed, when they get it by "accident". Your derogatory comments just show that you know it is BS, and the only thing you can do is hurl insults. I call BS when I see BS. Orion No what my deragotaroy comments show is that i don't appreciate being called a liar.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/19/2007 10:16:44 PM)
Those are unsupported posts. The only story I could find about lacing weed, is lacing it with jipsom. You are just clouding the issue. Also, your statement was about PCP being laced in the weed, and that makes very little sense, unless the user wanted it in there, or they were smoking a doob with someone that had added it. Then again maybe in your section of the country people do sell it at a loss, because of the expense of getting PCP, then having to spend all the time adding it to the weed, then measuring it all out for distribution. Not much brains in that kind of operation, then again......... Orion

came4U -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 3:38:14 AM)
re: laced weed Honestly, if you are purchasing illegal substances off the street (market) and it is full of junk then who's responsibility is it? If we have a market filled with tainted dog food filler, tained meats, tainted anything that has been approved by even the FDA then how is someone who claims to be more clever than the non-weed smokers? You get what you get. Who would protect you? No one. At the very least, just don't injest/digest/inhale anything that isn't even qualified to be marketable for human consumption. Sure, be aware of FDA and factory mishaps but if a bad experience occurs from something like weed (aka garden mulch, bottom-feeder food, idiot-ridder)then too bad for them. Smoke away! Just avoid driving and I woudn't have to save the world some grief and push ya off a cliff.

Petronius -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 6:44:29 AM)
There's a real problem when ostensible proof is based on "so many doctors, police, etc." say XYZ. That's because there's a thing known as "urban legends" which are usually linked to claims by the various doctors, cops, etc. who support the ostensible facts. This is particularly true with drugs and other things that trigger the anti-hedonic political forces. The best example of this were the delusional and dishonest medical professionals who hated sex and published endlessly on the horrid consequences of masturbation. In the 60s I recall the popular discourse flooded with statements linked to medical professionals about specific evils of LSD. On the other hand, there are people who are simply butt stupid and who blame others for their actions. Few drug dealers provide something for nothing. Few provide free speed when they sell pot. Few provide opium when they sell pot. And so forth. But I've seen people, particularly at parties, smoke something with no idea of what they're smoking, and then blame others for the consequences of their own drug use. Similarly, how many times have we heard alcoholics blame the manufacturers for their own problems, as in the person who misses work on Monday because of his hangover and blames it on "bad whiskey." Urban legends sweep through society, from people going blind on LSD from staring into the sun, to the horrid sexual consequences of pot, to the Satanic Panic, to razor-blades in Halloween apples, to laced drugs, to condoms punctured by needles, to date-rape drugs in bars, to ... pretty much anything that appeals to their sense of paranoia and serves to rationalize their anti-hedonic propensities.

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 7:01:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf Those are unsupported posts. The only story I could find about lacing weed, is lacing it with jipsom. You are just clouding the issue. Also, your statement was about PCP being laced in the weed, and that makes very little sense, unless the user wanted it in there, or they were smoking a doob with someone that had added it. Then again maybe in your section of the country people do sell it at a loss, because of the expense of getting PCP, then having to spend all the time adding it to the weed, then measuring it all out for distribution. Not much brains in that kind of operation, then again......... Orion If you had really read my posts i said they cut the weed with all kinds of shit - even rat poisoning, opiates etc. If you had read the links you would have heard some say dealers do that with crappy weed to make it "better". At any rate someone could get weed from a friend of a friend etc and they add pcp, and not know. young people aren't the most responsible and those are the ones i concern myself with not adult people who smoke - as far as i am concerned they can smoke themselves to death. It IS added to weed, as well as other things, and not always do they know when they decide to take a hit. How about show me any cite where it says weed is never laced with anything all the pot floating around out there for sale is fresh and clean, i doubt you would even find one. Not much barins in a lot of things people do... like make a sci fi novel their reality [8\|]

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 7:05:52 AM)
came4u i agree people should be responsible for their actions but i cut pre HS'ers some slack - they do stupid shit and should be protected from even themselves.

Mercnbeth -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 7:07:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: came4U ...re: laced weed Honestly, if you are purchasing illegal substances off the street (market) and it is full of junk then who's responsibility is it?... Responsibility? it rests squarely on the shoulders of the likes of the racist Harry Anslinger, the "Bureau of Narcotics" that developed into the DEA, the FDA, the big Pharmaceutical industry and folks that vote, like YOU and the fearmongering, insult throwing velvetears (don't strangle on your blanky), are at fault for the perpetuation of "reefer madness", AND the federal government for refusing to acknowledge and accept the 12 states who have made provisions for folks who use marijuana medicinally to grow it themselves, or collectively with other patients and caregivers and not face 25 years in federal prison OR be subject to searching out (questionable)street dealers for MEDICINE. quote: ...Coke was also legal once... and????...orig: velvetears cocaine is currently prescribed legally, according to the feds. (The fatal dose of cocaine has been approximated 1.2 g, although severe toxic effects have been reported from doses as low as 20 mg.)

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 7:34:58 AM)
That remark wasn't intended as an insult, if you take it as such that is your problem. Insults and jabs are one thing - attacking a persons character, like mine was by calling me a liar, are quite another. People who smoke consistently do so for a reason (not talking about for medicinal purposes) - the pot becomes their security blanket in life - they wake up and light up, socialize and light up, have a stressful day and light up etc. The "blanket strangling them" was intended to mean, one day it's going to catch up with you - and i am not just picking on pot smokers, include any substance abuser (alcohol, coke, etc). [edited to add] coke was legal and unregulated at one time i should have said

farglebargle -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 8:41:45 AM)
quote: Well farglebargle i could give you that but i don't have much interest in sharing my daughters personal lab reports with CM members i don't even know. IF the problem is as significant as you suggest, there would be ample evidence in the scientific literature to support your hypothesis without needing to release the one report which appears to support your claim. But to be clear, it's a laboratory analysis of the marijuana she smoked showing it's contamination with PCP? Not her failing a drug screen for both PCP and Marijuana? ( Again, the question arises, why is someone getting screened in the first place? )

farglebargle -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 8:42:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears That remark wasn't intended as an insult, if you take it as such that is your problem. Insults and jabs are one thing - attacking a persons character, like mine was by calling me a liar, are quite another. People who smoke consistently do so for a reason (not talking about for medicinal purposes) - the pot becomes their security blanket in life - they wake up and light up, socialize and light up, have a stressful day and light up etc. The "blanket strangling them" was intended to mean, one day it's going to catch up with you - and i am not just picking on pot smokers, include any substance abuser (alcohol, coke, etc). [edited to add] coke was legal and unregulated at one time i should have said USE is not equal to ABUSE. That's the failure of your philosophy. Ever think that people who smoke constantly just like to smoke pot?

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 9:34:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears That remark wasn't intended as an insult, if you take it as such that is your problem. Insults and jabs are one thing - attacking a persons character, like mine was by calling me a liar, are quite another. People who smoke consistently do so for a reason (not talking about for medicinal purposes) - the pot becomes their security blanket in life - they wake up and light up, socialize and light up, have a stressful day and light up etc. The "blanket strangling them" was intended to mean, one day it's going to catch up with you - and i am not just picking on pot smokers, include any substance abuser (alcohol, coke, etc). [edited to add] coke was legal and unregulated at one time i should have said USE is not equal to ABUSE. That's the failure of your philosophy. Ever think that people who smoke constantly just like to smoke pot? Use doesn't equal abuse, i agree. i will ask you the same question, why do they constantly like to smoke pot?

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 9:39:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: velvetears That remark wasn't intended as an insult, if you take it as such that is your problem. Insults and jabs are one thing - attacking a persons character, like mine was by calling me a liar, are quite another. People who smoke consistently do so for a reason (not talking about for medicinal purposes) - the pot becomes their security blanket in life - they wake up and light up, socialize and light up, have a stressful day and light up etc. The "blanket strangling them" was intended to mean, one day it's going to catch up with you - and i am not just picking on pot smokers, include any substance abuser (alcohol, coke, etc). [edited to add] coke was legal and unregulated at one time i should have said so folks who have a beer after work, or (heaven forbid), go out with friends and have a few drinks and dance and listen to a great live band........thats gonna catch up with them when they find themselves penniless and laying in their own urine in a ditch? up to this point i have pretty much agreed with your right to have your opinion about the pot being laced.......not worth arguing with because you believe what you believe and no one is going to change your mind. but the text highlighted in red shows me your view on this subject is entirely delusional. you may have a good reason for these illusions, but that makes them no more factual. i am stoned right now, and its not a blanket strangling me.....its saturday and i worked my 50 hours this week, and it makes laundry and housework in general more enjoyable.... and tonight i will go out and drink a couple beers AND smoke the devil weed and laugh and enjoy the company of a few good friends. shame on me-im goin straight to hell (or the gutter to lie in my piss). time will tell.

farglebargle -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 9:45:24 AM)
Why do some people consistently drink caffeine free soda? There is no addictive component. It's a choice. The next logical question is "Why would anyone concern themselves with other people's CHOICES, assuming those choices don't directly affect them?" Sure, you have a stake in your family's CHOICE to fuck up their lives, and blame it on the dope. You can believe them, or not, when they say, "I have no idea how that PCP got into my piss test.. . Must have been some laced pot..." Of course, the proponents of Rational Recovery would dismiss the entire exchange as pointlessly enabling. Until they CHOOSE to stop doing dope, they will do dope BECAUSE THEY ENJOY DOING DOPE. In extension. They fuck up their life because they CHOOSE to fuck up their life. When they choose NOT TO FUCK UP THEIR LIVES, then they won't have a dope problem.

velvetears -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 10:24:50 AM)
"Use doesn't equal abuse, i agree" - guess you forgot that portion of my response. Seeks your a grown up and can do whatever you please it is of no concern of mine. A certain percentage of people who use will end up in a ditch penniless and in their own piss and urine. i never said everyone would. You need pot and drinking to relax - or should i say you prefer to relax that way - that is your reason, fine. People who become addicts never intended to reach the state they are in, many begin with those same sentiments. farglebargle everyting is a choice to say that is a cop out - WHY do they choose it. Why do you assume i do concern myself with other peoples choices? i said before and will say again my concern lies in pre HS graduates who don't always make the best choices for themselves. There is a study that says you are 6 times more likely to suffer from schizophrenia if you start smoking pot at age 15 by the time you are 26. That doesn't sound harmless to me. The older you start smoking your odds for schizophrenia go down. i will post the link you can read it for yourself. http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7374/1212?maxtoshow=&HITS= 10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&author1=Arseneault&author2=Cannon&title =Cannabis&andorexacttitle=or&andorexacttitleabs=and&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid =1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&volume=325&firstpage=1212&fdate =1/1/2000&tdate=3/31/2004&resourcetype=HWCIT http://www.ukcia.org/research/COMTgene.pdf

SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 10:52:08 AM)
the hell with it-im goin to smoke a doobie[:D]

RCdc -> RE: War on Drugs. (10/20/2007 10:53:03 AM)
An interesting read this thread. I drink coffee. I drink alchohol. Both of these are laced with chemicals. I understand that some drugs are laced with other substances. However, I find it astonishing that people can call out such practices, but do not worry about the amount of man made and toxic chemicals or substances that are in meat products, shampoo, make-up, cleaning products, air fresheners, polish, rubber, dry cleaning products, drinks, and basically any product that is mass produced to make our lives 'better'. Check your own cupboard. Simple, Head and Shoulders, Chanel, Original Source - those natural products aren't as natural as they claim. the.dark.

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