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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 4:35:39 PM   
lilrissa


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don't ever apologize for asking about experience. the life is about trust and mutual respect. he is asking you trust him and he must respect that you are inquiring on his experience. i personally would never meet up with a stranger for play purposes as you do not know them well enough to know what to expect or if you are safe. Safe words don't mean a thing if someone isnt trustworthy and you can't possibly know if they are when meeting for play.  Not to mention funky diseases you could get.
He is a newbie and that alone would turn me off. I prefer experienced lifers.
Ask the questions and if he is offended it is through ignorance only of the life. My best advice, don't get caught up with those who want to play...there is no safety in that.  Always ask regardless though. If they are offended..move on

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 4:50:08 PM   
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I recently had a brief (over a period of 3 days) e-mail exchange with a man who contacted me here on CM.  He is, by his own admission, ‘fairly new to bdsm’. 
I’ll skip over the annoyance that despite my insistence that we should get to know each other first he pushed to meet for play.
In the face of that, I asked specific questions about his real time experiences.
For example:  “Since you are interested in flogging and fisting, have you ever done either of those things?”
My questions were ignored.
On the third day he again asked when we could play.  I reminded him that he    had yet to answer what I consider to be important questions.
His response was that he was no longer interested because “I feel like I’m trying out for a Broadway play.  I just want to have fun.”
I was relieved in a way and certainly wasn’t upset.  I let him have the last word because I doubted he would hear what I had to say.
I want to have fun too!  But when it’s my ass on the line, I want to know the risks.
Because I can be rather blunt, I wondered if I might have been able to ask my questions differently; perhaps in a way that would not make him feel that he was being grilled, so to speak.
 Any thoughts?


Sometimes the most obvious answer is the one we're refusing to see. There's no mystery from the exchange you've shared, you're just overanalyzing the whole thing in my opinion. You spent three days speaking to him through a virtual medium. Realistically speaking, how much honesty did you hope to glean over that period of time? Heck, you can't be certain that he's even male, but that's another conversation altogether.

Here's the answer short and sweet. He refused to answer your questions because from his standpoint they were moot. He was seeking a playmate, nothing more or less. The specifics of experiences were not discussed because it may have never materialized, or at the bare minimum he'd be certain that your objectives were the same if it should. Spending time wondering if your approach was correct for a situation that warrants little consideration is futile. Be happy he saved you time and keystrokes and devote your energies towards engagements that you can see, feel, and touch. While we hope that everyone will be open and honest, communications of this nature carry a buyer beware stamp that should never be ignored or forgotten.

Best of luck,

porcelaine

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 4:55:00 PM   
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Just my opinion, but if I met a sub willing to engage in anything more then talk at the first meeting I would probably point them in the dirrection of the nearest shrink. 

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 5:34:20 PM   
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Instead of being honest he avoided the question, that is also a red flag for me. He sounds as if he just wanted an easy hook up. I don't think the way you asked was rude or there was any other way to ask. If a person can't be honest with me about what they know then I can't feel safe with them.

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 5:35:03 PM   
catize


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Sometimes the most obvious answer is the one we're refusing to see. There's no mystery from the exchange you've shared, you're just overanalyzing the whole thing in my opinion.  


You are spot on!  I over-analyze most everything, and this time I didn’t recognize what I was doing.  Thanks for the    moment! 

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/14/2007 6:03:08 PM   
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Thank you everyone for taking the time to respond. 
I almost didn’t post it because I’ve been at this long enough that I usually don’t let things like this bother me. 
His complaint of feeling like he was trying out for a Broadway play triggered something negative for me; don’t know why but I’m letting it go now. 

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 2:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: catize
His complaint of feeling like he was trying out for a Broadway play triggered something negative for me; don’t know why but I’m letting it go now. 


You of course did the right thing, and the fact that you're concerned and able to ask those questions shows you're able to look after yourself - perhaps scary to some so-called wannabes?

do you like to (or feel as if you) ask a lot of questions of your partner to get to know them? has one previously complained?

if so - oh well - that's you, and you should be damn proud that you have the intelligence to do it, and don't blindly submit!

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 5:00:59 PM   
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The fact that you had to ask those questions reveals him as being the faulty one, not you. A good Domme/Dom finds out from their subs what they are comfortable with and what they are willing to try.

Anyone who says a sub is being too pushy when they ask questions is an ass. Period.

And besides, if anyone could be in a broadway play then there'd be a lot of really crappy broadway plays that nobody would want to see.
I would rather my D/s relationship be like a broadway play than some backwater middle school play.

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 5:53:42 PM   
catize


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 do you like to (or feel as if you) ask a lot of questions of your partner to get to know them? has one previously complained?  


Yes, I do ask a lot of questions and not just about D/s or BDSM.  I like a well-rounded discussion that includes various aspects of the person’s life.  I prefer conversations with potential partners to include the chips and dips as well as the chains and whips. 
And, indeed, some of them have complained and I simply move on.


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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 5:55:43 PM   
catize


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I would rather my D/s relationship be like a broadway play than some backwater middle school play.  


 
Hey, now!  I was the surprise hit of my senior play!  (graduating class numbered 105)  


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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 6:12:41 PM   
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Bet you had to audition to get the part too, right?

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 7:21:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jinger

Bet you had to audition to get the part too, right?

 
Touché!!!



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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 7:24:41 PM   
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He just wanted a play partner, you wanted more. Chalk it up to not asking first off what he was seeking. You were looking for different things, next time you'll know to ask first off what they're looking for.

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RE: Getting to know you. - 10/15/2007 7:40:45 PM   
catize


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He just wanted a play partner, you wanted more. Chalk it up to not asking first off what he was seeking. You were looking for different things, next time you'll know to ask first off what they're looking for.

 
That is the first thing I ask because I am not looking for a monogamous ltr.
The issue with this guy was his ‘new to bdsm’ and his refusal to answer pointed questions about his experience level.   I view it more as a matter that he wanted to play and I wanted to play safely.



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