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Owner/property - 7/29/2005 7:03:32 PM   
Superman42280


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when subs/slaves use the word "owner" and "property" -- how do they define that?

Does your Master "own" you like I own my laptop?

Are you your Master's property like my DVD collection is my "property"?

I know love, relationships, caring and emotion are involved unlike my laptop and DVD collection, but still to use the word "owner" and the word "property" is interesting to me.

Your thoughts? Who here has an "owner" and who here is a piece of "property"? Can you be bought and sold? Know what I mean?


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RE: Owner/property - 7/29/2005 7:28:53 PM   
slavedesires


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I am owned, but I do not refer to my Dom/Master/Daddy as "the Owner."
I am His possession, ask Him what that means to Him. But I know He would tell you, "It doesn't matter, I am not into others peoples judgements."
To me it means, i obey and serve Him.
He has never called me His "property."
I was not bought, He wont sell me, but He will allow others to use me for who I am, if they respect Him, O/our relationship and what i offter to them as a submissive. I am not anyone else's slave, but I am submissive, under conditions set forth by Him.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/30/2005 9:19:43 AM   
nenakajira


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Status: offline 		Yes, I am owned property. And yes, it means exactly what you think it does. If he wishes.. he could sell me.. I would go to who he told me to.

For as long as he does own me I am his to do with as he wishes. His desires (and by this I do not only mean sexual desires) are the measuring stick for everything I do.

I cant say I went into this knowing Id have a "loving caring relationship" though I do have one with him now. It was not always that way. Slavery is not an easy road to travel down. It took me time to accept that he would never respect me... though he does value me greatly.. there is a world of difference between those two things.


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RE: Owner/property - 7/30/2005 9:38:16 AM   
perverseangelic


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Status: offline 		I am owned in much the same way someone owns a pet. I belong to my owner. I am his to do with as he sees fit. He has some responsiblities to me--mostly invovling making sure I am kept in good health. However, I am a thinking being, and not expected to stop being one.

It differs from pet ownership it that I am expected to obey, period. I don't expect my kitty to do what I say :)

I suppose he could rent me if he wanted to. Sell? No. One commitment we made invovles retention of ownership without my agreement.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/30/2005 11:28:25 AM   
Superman42280


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I find these points of view to be fascinating... you truly feel that if he wanted to, he could put you away in a closet until he wanted to interact with you again like a broom or a video?

That makes you happy, though, right?


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RE: Owner/property - 7/30/2005 12:07:55 PM   
shaohua


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Status: offline 		when i use the word "Owner" for my Master, it means..He owns me. i am his property.

when i use the word property it means i am his to do with as he pleases. Just like his car, the dog, etc. Yes, my Master can give me away, rent me out, sell me etc. because that is (for me anyway) what part of being a slave is all about.

It makes me happy to know he has that much control, because he is a good and honorable man, and i trust him enough to give him all that and knowing he would never do anything to HARM me. Because if you want something good to keep being good, you take proper care of it.

Would i enjoy it if he gave me away, or sold me perminantly? Probably not, but i know it is a possiblity because that is what i agreed to going in. (Do i honestly think he would do it? No..he said he would rather release me first..but the point is, he has the power to do so,)

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 2:13:18 AM   
subD4master


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Status: offline 		I am a slave and I am owned and I am My Master's property. the definition of Slae is " human being owned as prpoerty. gives up all rights and owns nothing. My Master ownes me and I'm his property .. I am not for sale. My Master made a vow he would not ever sell me... I'm sure their are Masters out there that do sell their slave.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 4:16:27 AM   
johnniesub


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Status: offline 		i'm much more sub than slave and tend to think in terms of "user" more than "owner," though sometimes in correspondence i use the "owner" term. it's mostly a term of endearment/affection/respect, though.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 5:20:48 AM   
masie


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Status: offline 		i am owned, i am Masters property to do with as He will, but obviously it is in His best intrests to look after and nurture His property, in respect of being sold, that is possible but not likely in my circumstances, i have however been "loaned" before to teach me a lesson in objectification and to remind me of my place

respectfully
masie

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 8:30:49 AM   
Hissweetshiv


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Status: offline 		I rarely use the term "Owner" for Master save as an endearment in private. I am His property, His toy, to do with as He sees fit, but we rarely make an issue of it. Would He sell me? No. Would He rent/loan me out? Perhaps someday. That issue will be resolved when and if He decides He would like to do so. Would He "put me away" till He was ready for me? Maybe as punishment, but not as a matter of course. I am not only His slave, i am also His wife, and He likes having me curled up beside Him or being domestic where He can watch, not off somewhere where He can't enjoy what's His.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 1:26:31 PM   
Superman42280


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Status: offline 		These are all interesting responses.

Have you always thought of yourselves as "property" before being in a relationhsip, for those of you who said what you did.

Do you consider yourselves to be worth less than the average vanilla human? I dont think you are, but curious to your self esteem for those who dub yourselves "property"

Superman


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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 1:59:40 PM   
perverseangelic


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Superman42280


I find these points of view to be fascinating... you truly feel that if he wanted to, he could put you away in a closet until he wanted to interact with you again like a broom or a video?

That makes you happy, though, right?


Sure, he could. I doubt he -would- as that'd mean he'd loose a lot of the stuff he likes about me, but sure.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 2:03:24 PM   
perverseangelic


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Superman42280

These are all interesting responses.

Have you always thought of yourselves as "property" before being in a relationhsip, for those of you who said what you did.

Do you consider yourselves to be worth less than the average vanilla human? I dont think you are, but curious to your self esteem for those who dub yourselves "property"

Superman




It's not about self worth. I am an increidbly valuable person. I am not less than ANYONE, my partner included. Anyway, property -can- be execptionally valuable. Think of an original Rembrant. It's property it's also of a lot of value.

I am not "property" I am "his property." I am not an object, I'm -his-. Why would having consented to belong to someone mean i have poor self-esteem? I value myself so much I can let myself be who I am. I don't try to closet elements of my sexuality and self. I respect and value myself, and because I do, I can give myself to someone else.

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RE: Owner/property - 7/31/2005 2:24:55 PM   
Superman42280


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Interesting response.

This is starting to make sense.


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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 8:32:17 AM   
plantlady64


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Status: offline 		Hello Superman,
Yes my Master fully owns me. I use no limits, no safe words, and he completely controls my actions any time he chooses to. I do anything he says he likes if humanly possible.
Can he sell me, or make me do anything? Yes, absolutely. Would he give me away under any circumstances money or otherwise? No way, he loves me and is a very nurturing Master. Knowing I would do anything is enough for him. Knowing I please him assures me he'll never tire of me and want me out of his house. So yes, I do his bidding, but he'd never ask me to leave for a long term duty elsewhere
Sincerely,
sub suzanne

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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 1:45:42 PM   
littleone35


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Status: offline 		Just have one thing to say my late Master was my Master not my owner. Slaves are owned submissives are not.

littleone

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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 7:17:19 PM   
perverseangelic


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quote:

ORIGINAL: littleone35

Just have one thing to say my late Master was my Master not my owner. Slaves are owned submissives are not.

littleone


I must disagree here. I know many submissive people who are owned.

I am neither a 'sub" nor a "submissive" nor a "slave" and I am owned.

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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 8:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main reason I use Owned/property is because it's gender non-specific.

When I type "dom" I mean both male and female dominants, I have no idea why people feel the need to create and use and mis-pronounce the word "domme" but I understand that the fact that I use it for both can confuse some poor people so I just stick with non-genderized terms.

And because I do essentially consider myself owned property, existing to be used and useful to the Owner. This is a slightly different perspective than being "a slave" or "a submissive" and I agree that both can be owned.

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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 10:03:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		As with the english language maybe bdsm is evolving too and domme is for female dominants and dom for males.

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RE: Owner/property - 8/1/2005 10:42:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: imtempting

As with the english language maybe bdsm is evolving too and domme is for female dominants and dom for males.

Obviously it is and, like the term subbie unfortunately, enough people actually like the word and using it regularly that it's certainly not going to disappear anytime soon.

But I find it a completely gratuitous word, and especially hate when people mis-pronounce it.

We all have our language gripes, this is one of mine. :)

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