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EPGAH -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/17/2007 2:43:34 PM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: EPGAH
There's an old saying, "Never give a loaded revolver to a retarded child"...Can we assume it scales up to "Never give a NUKE to an immature country?" The reason this is relevant China, India, Pakistan, and North Korea are all in various stages of nuclear program...Iran wants to join the club.
Where did you derive the notion that China,India,Pakistan,North Korea and Iran are immature nations.
Umm, the way they are willing to spend money on weapons and then demand that we "help" them with their domestic concerns. (I.e., their people are starving, but by whatever god they believe in, they'll have a nuke!)
..They're dangerous fanatics even WITHOUT nukes, but WITH nukes, any of them can "go rogue" and attack us--or just bully the rest of the world into doing what they want,
In my reading of history the U.S. is the only nation with a nuke to have actually used it. That the U.S. uses its power both nuclear and conventional to bully the rest of the world into doing what we want them to do is well documented.
They tested theirs...Hell, France evacuated that Polynesian island place to "test" theirs...They could have stolen the nuclear test data from the US, just as they stole the rest of the technology! Evacuating an existing civilization just to "see if it works" is a big lie in and of itself, they just wanted to show the world they were dangerous too, just like the "evil" Americans they'd stolen the technology from...It would be something like us nuking the inhabited zones of Hawaii just to see if it worked...ruining the wildlife there! How ecologically irresponsible, to say nothing of politically! [;)]
because while the world has grown used to America's sense of self-restraint,
What sense of self restraint are you referring to? Our restraint in murdering the Native Americans? Our restraint in attacking Mexico and stealing half of her country? Our restraint in attacking Spain and stealing part of her empire? Our restraint in attacking Columbia and taking part of that country so we could avoid paying for the isthmus of Panama? Our restraint in attacking the sovereign country of Hawaii? Our restraint in attacking China for "business reasons" Our restraint in attacking Japan,Germany,Viet Nam, Cambodia and now Iraq. Please tell me about the "sense of self restraint" the world has come to expect from the U.S.
Native Americans=self-defense. If we buy something from someone, whether or not they believe in ownership is their problem, they don't get to attack us to take it back.
Mexico/Spain: We could have taken it all and/or wiped them ALL out. In fact, some of the more intelligent people in THIS day&age are suggesting annexation of Mexico and spending a few billion up front as a viable solution to illegal invaders and the slow exsanguination they are providing. Oddly, Mexico doesn't like this idea, it violates their "sovereignty"...But if we try to punish the illegal scum they foist off on us, they're quick to defend their "right" to invade America...Doesn't America get sovereignty too? UN ruling 160-161 say that they have the right to leave THEIR country, but no part of the UN says that any country HAS to accept strays...Give'em time, that'd be a great way to "handicap" America...
Panama, I have NO IDEA why America offered to have OUR workers contract malaria and other "fun tropical gifts", then GIVE the canal to the country we dug it through, then they turn around and want to CHARGE us to use it! Of course, SOMEONE should have to pay the US for it, and not just the taxpayers! Or is our money; our resources more expendable?
Hawaii: growers ASKED us to intervene, the "bad" natives were threatening the "good" natives. So we did...Rather than fight us, the enemy royals ran and hid in fear (And this was BEFORE we developed cruise-missiles...tsk, tsk!) So suddenly, we were able to do what we pleased...Of course, a later "official" statement by the enemy was that they cared too much about their troops' lives--And OURS! A lie this laughable wouldn't be heard until the Iraq invasion, when the Al Queidas retreated, then declared victory, or Bush's equally stupid declaration of "victory", while any enemies were left alive (Enemy in this case, refers to who or whatever is leaving the bombs around under the roads and blowing up "Coalition"--mostly US--troops...It would be racist to say the Moslems are our enemy; indeed, most media outlets now refer to them as "insurgents" instead of "terrorists", and refer to "Illegal aliens" as "Undocumented immigrants"...I always thought "undocumented guest" would make a GREAT euphemism for "burglar!"[;)])
China: Again, running security for our fair-weather friends--er--"allies"...The Boxer Rebellion, people of all nationalities threatened, the call goes out, "Help me, Uncle Sam"--oddly, they once again temporarily forgot how "evil" America is...I know stress of being taken hostage by hostile foreigns reduces memory faculties, but THIS sounds like downright neuropathology!
Japan/Germany: World War II...I forget my Latin, but there's some saying that translates to, "In times of war, the Law is silent"...Or its modern equivalent, "War is Hell, but only if it's done RIGHT!" Basically, vengeance for Pearl Harbor. I STILL find it hard to believe that Japan could have "forgotten" the International Date Line...Besides, only America, to my knowledge, pays the LOSERS of the war...Like say, giving them the transistor, and letting them sell it and its descendants back to us? Oh, and America forgave all the debts our alleged "allies" owed us...now if only we could get them to return the favor?
Vietnam: THIS one I'll give you, we were called in to help France, and France pulled out, leaving us holding the bag in a war that only benefitted President Johnson's wife...
As to our sense of restraint, we've not wiped out ANY enemy, we've always pushed them MAYBE up to the brink, but let them come back, and sometimes even HELPED them! Even the American Indians now have tracts of land where they pay no taxes and get electricity and other pieces of our "evil" technologies!
In a war, we always hold back, we don't unleash all of our great/terrible power on an enemy and raze them in a couple seconds, rather than a multi-year war (Some outdated BS about a "fair fight"--the enemies have no such silly rules!)...Hell, we're one of the few countries for whom illegals and traitors aren't just shot out-of-hand, we gotta think about it, hold trials, etc....And some Americans sympathize with their plight, forgetting that said plight is self-inflicted...
So enemy countries start looking at America as an easy mark. "Hold up the kids--breed a lot of'em--and plead for sympathy/money/meds/food--America will give it to you, even WHILE you're fighting them!"
Remember, if we'd killed the Arabs when they first turned against us, this wouldn't've happened...General Macarthur was recalled because he wanted to finish the job...It seems we--as a nation, not individuals--always want to leave a piece of the enemies around to come right back at us?
other countries have no such compunctions...And of course, terrorists not OFFICIALLY affiliated with any country can steal their nukes easier than they can ours!
Well "nukes" have been around for over fifty years and the only ones that are not accounted for are the ones the U.S. government has "lost" so just where do you get your information that the "bad guys" can pretty much steal them at will?
Russia has "lost" nukes too, plus the current Middle East nuke crisis is suspiciously close technologically to Russia's old toys...
Although if caught, other countries also have no compunction about the punishment of traitors...May whatever God they believe in have mercy upon them, because the corporeal authorities in those countries don't have the "quality of mercy"!
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, in some areas of the Middle East, merchants have (or at least had, it was some years back) gold and jewelry IN THE OPEN, perfectly inviting theft--but they actually DO chop off the hands of thieves (Dad got to see one, I was too little; although it's more akin to a public amputation than the barbaric hack&slash that it's popularized as) Either way, the THREAT of serious consequences kept the gold and jewels safter there than they would be in alarmed cases in the civilized world!
If this were true then they would not still be cutting off peoples hands for stealing.
No matter what the law, there will always be those who believe laws are SUPPOSED to be broken, or that "It's only illegal if you get caught". Anything from red lights to murder to our border-laws...By your "logic", if deterrents actually worked, noone would fight wars anymore either...And certainly not America, ESPECIALLY not after the "deterrent" of nuking two enemy military-factory/port cities. (Back then, they were important materiel centers...Nowadays, they're cudgels of guilt to beat the Americans over the head with...as often as possible--er--necessary!)
American jail system doesn't work because it's become another system of welfare (3 hots and a cot is NOT standard in enemy jails, nor will their people get punished for brutalizing an American...but Heaven help whatever American "tortures" an enemy--or cuts cost to the taxpayers by not feeding/watering/medicating them!) And our executions have become private, and methods eliminated one-by-one for being "cruel and unusual"...The methods remaining are increasingly expensive and kept quiet...There are, of course arguments that as you have more people, you'll have more crime, but that is inherently racist, because birth-control is "a xenocidal conspiracy by Americans" [:D] If you believe that conspiracy-theory, I have a couple bridges to sell you, one near my house, the other near my office...the one near my office is less used, but the one near my house is smaller, therefore cheaper...[;)]
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