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EPGAH -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 1:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Ah, I am clueless and would like to be shown the links to those costs.
Ron     

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
As to your other idea about the RUSSIANS attacking us, why would Russia--or any nation--risk an air or sea invasion, when they could just sneak in through the Mexican border, have a bunch of kids, and guilt America into supporting their brood? Bleed us dry quietly, rather than risk their deaths with such formalities as declaring war, or indeed, actually FIGHTING!




EPGAH -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 1:50:31 PM)

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Original: thompsonx
If the geek squad and the easy button are your major competition and you cannot provide better service then I suggest you find another job.  There have several nationwide new stories concerning those two particular chains of computer repair...and they were not viewed in all that positive of a light.  If you cannot compete with losers then that speaks volumes about your talent as a computer fixer.

Like I said, it'$ because of price$, not quality...
Even if one is better, they go to whoever is cheapest...
If a customer came in and DIDN'T ask for the cheapest thing in the shop, I'd fall over from shock...which would be a real problem, since illegals have forced the local ER to close!
As such, I have to cut costs where and when I can...I realize that the oil people are screwing everyone without lube (Pun intended), but still, oil is one of what you might call a "basic good", in that if you raise it, everything that depends on it goes up. If some end-result commoddity goes up, very few care: Movies, CDs, computer-games...you wait and the price goes down. However, with oil, it raised gasoline, and gasoline raised the price of everything from "soup to nuts" Wal-Mart does not yet (Nor any other retailer--that I know of--feel free to tell me if you find one that does) have an integrated manufacturing center, so they have to transport goods from producer/manufacturer to shelf. Rather than eat the loss themselves, they pass it on to the consumer. Now, I need to work more to "make" the same amount of money! (My costs are going up due to the price-hike, but they aren't helping me make any more money...) Indeed, I'd be willing to wager that it HURTS my business, in that when they have to pay more for gasoline, they've got even less money than normal to spend on computers!




farglebargle -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 3:14:10 PM)

"Now, I need to work more to "make" the same amount of money! "

Raise your rates, work the same amount of hours. If you need customers/clients, it is a MARKETING issue.





Aneirin -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 3:31:59 PM)

Just a thought, and I expect to be slaughtered for this, but why the fear of Islam and it's doings? Did not the Christian church do something similar in the middle ages?

What is it, Islam came into being approximately 600AD, as a more devout form of Christianity? 600 years behind Christianity, leads me to think they are only as good as medieval European christianity with the same ideas and pitfalls.




LadyEllen -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 3:44:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

Just a thought, and I expect to be slaughtered for this, but why the fear of Islam and it's doings? Did not the Christian church do something similar in the middle ages?

What is it, Islam came into being approximately 600AD, as a more devout form of Christianity? 600 years behind Christianity, leads me to think they are only as good as medieval European christianity with the same ideas and pitfalls.


More or less the way I see it Aneirin.Difference is, modern technology to wage a war of religiosity and wholly different tactics and strategy.

Not that it could ever work out - what attackers dont understand, is that whilst they might scare individuals, when it comes to a group - and especially the Brits I have to say - their efforts have the exact reverse effect to what they'd prefer.

E




EPGAH -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 3:51:20 PM)

No, they tried to expand aggressively, and indeed, their empire stretched all the way from the Middle East to Spain itself. (and the northmost parts of Africa, but we "evil" European descendants don't care about those parts, right?[:D])
"Your money, your life, or become a Moslem"...very effective sales-pitch! Any country they conquered that refused to convert wholesale to Moslem death-cult was expected to pay a "jizya", or "existence tax"--paying money just for the right to exist! BUT at the Moslems' whim, even if you had your protection-money all paid up, they still had the "right" to kill you!
The odd part is, there are actually TWO Korans, the Book of Mecca, which is the sweet "religion of reconciliation", and the Book of Medina, which is Islam as we know it today, an aggressive paramilitary cult that seeks to rule the world, and particularly America, using our openness about immigration and "multiculturalism" to implement pro-Islam policies and eventually Shari'a Law (Like, say, a taxpayer-supported "madrassah" in New York?)
The CHRISTIAN Church was the one that organized an effective resistance--the Crusades (But because it's associated with the CHRISTIAN Church, many nations consider it somehow "evil" and/or "imperialistic"--too bad the Pope doesn't have a mustache to twirl![;)]) pushing them back to the Middle East, and the intellectual reawakening that it took to build, maintain and invent new siege-engines brought Europe out of its Dark Ages, a sort of knowledge-fever spread across the land, so yes, they DID sort-of bring knowledge to us, just not the way they claim!)
There were several waves of Crusades, including one made entirely of children (the latter were kidnapped somewhere along the trail and enslaved--in the bad way)
In the end, Islam was "contained", but the Church called off the Crusades, because the IMMEDIATE threat was gone! (Look what started again!)
However, one of the main tenets of Islam is that once an area of land has been Islamized, it can never be de-Islamized again, no matter what countries or powers "temporarily occupy" it! (Isn't that creepy? Once it's been contaminated, they consider it theirs forever?)
Another tenet--this one far more serious--They allow their people to lie to any non-Islamics, and even make treaties with non-Islamics, BUT only if the treaties either prevent the destruction of Islam, or allow them time to strengthen it, and eventually gain enough power to crush the infidels--International corruption, lies, and conquest, conveniently codified into their pseudo-religion!
Other tenets of their pseudo-religion include the destruction of Jews, Christians, and homosexuals, and the subjugation of women. A rape charge is not to be believed unless 4 MOSLEM men witnessed the act--and just how are you going to get 4 of the rapist's buddies to testify against him? And apostasy (conversion OUT of Islam pseudo-religion) is a capital crime. This is why most civilized nations resist the spread of Shari'a Law!




Aneirin -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 4:06:40 PM)

I lived in an Islamic country for a while, and though most expats looked upon the inhabitants of that country as sub human, I did not, I took the trouble to try and learn something of them.Most,from the lowliest desert Arab to the wealthiest oil soaked billionaire acted with perfect humility and genourosity. It is hard to turn down a desert arab with a camel to his name,his offer of hospitality, though it is part of his belief, it is he also.

Whatever their belief,my experience of the people associated with that belief , I have no complaints and wish them the best of Allah's good will.

Perhaps those we hear too much about in the news etc are not the same as the ones I knew,I can see that,but they are not the majority,so it is wrong to condemn them all.

Maybe it is,all the worlds agressors, are a tiny fraction of the populace, given the worlds population,do they even come to one percent?




SimplyMichael -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 5:39:34 PM)


Islam IS a religion of peace compared to christianity, just ask a native anywhere on the planet, IF there are any left alive.




Real0ne -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 6:34:22 PM)




what do you think of this?

Islamic Radicals Release Statement Regarding The War in Iraq






luckydog1 -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 6:35:55 PM)

Yes Simply, ask the Native folks of Southern Sudan (Not Darfur, the other larger Genocide that no one talks about), if you can find one.




Lucylastic -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 6:57:52 PM)

Real,
hello, for some reason I was waiting for john cleese or graham chapman to pop up in there somewhere, the music, the voice.....
confused now
Lucy




Real0ne -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 8:45:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Real,
hello, for some reason I was waiting for john cleese or graham chapman to pop up in there somewhere, the music, the voice.....
confused now
Lucy


thats precisely my point lucy.   That was obtained direct from a "terrorist" website and isnt it amazing how they sound way more sane than the us government?  Did you notice how they have it down perfectly what is going down and how they praised certain americans and brits, and why?  Then ended with their response to GW that is coming true?  i thought that was a very interesting terrorist wacko radical nut case loon job statement.






SimplyMichael -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 9:28:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Yes Simply, ask the Native folks of Southern Sudan (Not Darfur, the other larger Genocide that no one talks about), if you can find one.


You win, a tiny band of Christians south of the Sahara is proof that Muslims are historically worse than Christians.  How exactly did the Christians become well Christian?  I think you are standing in the forest looking for trees.




luckydog1 -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 10:10:16 PM)

How did Islam spread from the interior of Arabia to all of the middle east?  How did Turkey become Islamic?




thompsonx -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 10:25:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

How did Islam spread from the interior of Arabia to all of the middle east?  How did Turkey become Islamic?

luckydog:
How did the western hemisphere become christian?  Oh wait didn't the christians murder everyone who did not want to become a christian?
thompson




philosophy -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/18/2007 11:12:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

How did Islam spread from the interior of Arabia to all of the middle east?  How did Turkey become Islamic?

luckydog:
How did the western hemisphere become christian?  Oh wait didn't the christians murder everyone who did not want to become a christian?
thompson


....i blame the buddhists...if only they'd had a crusade and killed all those who didn't convert we'd all be pacifists now....er........

...let's face it, most of the worlds major religions have been a bit gung ho in the past vis a vis the tricky subject of non-believers. This argument is less about being holier than thou and more about being less tolerant than thou. The problem in a secular world is not with those of us who are tolerant, its with those on all sides who think secular means not actually going to church but being broadly christian/islamic/jewish or church of star trek.........




luckydog1 -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/19/2007 12:15:23 AM)

No, they didn't murder everyone who refused to convert.  Even with out your exageration, it was a terrible time, and Many Christians were very brutal in conversion.  Paticularly the Spanish Catholic ones, who had just finished liberating thier nation from 500 years of Islamic occupation.




LadyEllen -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/19/2007 3:10:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

No, they didn't murder everyone who refused to convert.  Even with out your exageration, it was a terrible time, and Many Christians were very brutal in conversion.  Paticularly the Spanish Catholic ones, who had just finished liberating thier nation from 500 years of Islamic occupation.


sorry - not getting the meaning here - who didnt murder anyone please?

E




mnottertail -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/19/2007 5:30:37 AM)

....i blame the buddhists...if only they'd had a crusade and killed all those who didn't convert we'd all be pacifists now....er........


They are sitting by the river, philosophy.....waiting long enough.......




SimplyMichael -> RE: We Should Surrender to the Muslims Now (10/19/2007 7:30:30 AM)

How fucking christians who conquered the god damn fucking globe can whine and snivel about the "dreaded" muslims is beyond me.  The number of genocides both ethnic and cultural carried out by Christians is mind numbing, but them fucking Araabs had the audacity to spread out a bit from the ME.

The only place safe from Christian soldiers were the interiors of China and Africa.  How many Muslim occupations of North, Central, or South America can you name?  How many Muslim occupations of Siberia can you name? 

Lets put it another way, how many places can anyone think of that the Muslims occupied that hadn't already been converted to being Christian?  Indonesia is the only one I can think of offhand.





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