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PryderiLoup -> Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 6:28:39 PM)

I got this from a friends journal. I think it might be a good thing for some of the newer submissives to consider. I don't agree with all of them, there is one about reading all your communications that made me chuckle. I decided to paste it in it's entirety and let each person decide if the flag is valide or not.

1) Tries to separate you from your friends, family or BDSM community.
2) Avoids talking about personal details. Gets mad when you ask or quickly ends the conversation or answers questions with questions.
3) Has no BDSM references or friends you can talk to.
4) Gets angry when you ask for references or ask around about them.
5) Is inconsistent with details about themselves.
6) Does not give you their home and work phone number at the appropriate time.
7) Only communicates with you at strange hours and gets mad if you try to contact them at other times.
8) Criticizes the BDSM community and refuses to participate, especially if they never were part of it.
9) Consistently breaks promises.
10) Always finds excuses for not meeting.
11) Always puts blame on others for things going wrong.
12) Does not take personal responsibility.
13) Has bad relationships with most or all of their family members.
14) Pressures you into doing things you do not want to do.
15) Does not respect your limits, negotiations or contracts.
16) Pushes you into a D/s relationship too fast.
17) Falls in love with you way too fast and swears undying love before even meeting you.
18) Hides behind their D/s authority and says that their authority should not be questioned.
19) Tries to make you feel guilty for not being good enough. Says that you are not a "True" sub.
20) Loses control of their emotions in arguments and regresses to yelling, name-calling and blame.
21) Puts you down in front of other people.
22) Turns instantly on their friends, going from best friend to arch enemy at the drop of a hat.
23) Treats you lovingly and respectfully one day and then harshly and
accusingly the next.
24) Goes to great lengths to get revenge on people.
25) Lies or withholds information. Cheats on you or is overly jealous.
26) Will not discuss what your possible future relationship could be like.
27) Tries to keep you in the dark about what might happen next in the
relationship.
28) Does not respect your feelings, rights, or opinions.
29) Belittles your ideas.
30) Blames you for your hurt feelings.
31) Abuses alcohol or other drugs.
32) Is constantly asking for large amounts of money from you or others.
33) Threatens suicide or other forms of self-harm.
34) Deliberately saying or doing things that result in getting themselves seriously hurt.
35) Monitors your communications (emails, phone calls, chats) with others.
36) Only interacts with you in a kinky or sexual manner as if role- playing.
37) Will not have normal everyday vanilla conversations.
38) Never shows you their human side. Is emotionless. Hides their
vulnerability behind their D/s role.
39) Has multiple online identities for interacting with the same
communities.
40) Disappears from communication for days or weeks at a time without explanation.
41) Is rude to public servants such as waitresses, cashiers and janitors. 42) Never says thank you, excuse me or I am sorry to anyone.
43) Harms children, the elderly or animals





came4U -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 6:38:00 PM)

*all good points that maybe a newbie never had the privilege of seeing before.




TotalState -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 6:41:09 PM)

And hundreds more in addition. 

But of course, it's all circumstantial as well.




PryderiLoup -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 6:44:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TotalState

And hundreds more in addition. 

But of course, it's all circumstantial as well.



Oh, yeah. I never meant to imply that this was inclusive. Personally, if he shows up at Olive Garden with a running chain saw in one hand and a severed head in the other, I would call that a red flag. But I didn't think it needed to be included.




came4U -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 8:23:26 PM)

lols at Olive Garden.




Rushemery -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 8:53:44 PM)

13) Has bad relationships with most or all of their family members.
 
 I disagree with this one some people are not worth knowing just because they give birth to you, we dont owe them for that or anything else, sometimes people have to walk away from their familys to improve their lives------the rest of your list is pretty good though




Maya2001 -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 8:58:26 PM)

quote:

7) Only communicates with you at strange hours and gets mad if you try to contact them at other times.


Call me in the middle of the afternnoon on a weekday I may get a little peeved LOL  I work the midnight shift

But odd hours and getting angry at calling at certain times could indicate a person that is married  or simply the person has odd work hours or can't talk during work hours.

This point on it own may not be reason enough but it combined with others could be indicator that something is not quite right, over all it is a good list and worth having posted




OsideGirl -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 8:59:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rushemery

13) Has bad relationships with most or all of their family members.
 
 I disagree with this one some people are not worth knowing just because they give birth to you, we dont owe them for that or anything else, sometimes people have to walk away from their familys to improve their lives------the rest of your list is pretty good though
There's a difference between "bad" and "no" relationships. If someone has bad relationships with every single family member, it's a good indication that either dysfunction is being perpetuated or they're unable to have a normal relationship.

Walking away from a relationship with a family member for a legitimate reason, actually is a good indicator.




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 9:06:59 PM)

I find alot of the flags to be crap. Some of them to be common sense. All in all, any noob needs to take this list with a grain of salt.




Estring -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 10:34:09 PM)

I would imagine that if someone is a bad apple, many, not just one of these red flags will pop up.




BitchGoddessD -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 10:37:51 PM)

many of these red flags are also found in abusive relationships




UsemeinTexas -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/18/2007 10:48:28 PM)

The Master that I just left  would beat me while playing until I had large welts that would be purple bruises the next day. If he thought I needed punishment he would cane me until I bled. He refused to acknowledge the bruises or the wounds. He said I was whinning and complaining when I mentioned them at all and I would get punished again. I fainted twice from these harsh punishments. I left him soon after the second fainting. 
What I want to know is this: When you leave bruises on your property, is it ok for that person(property) to mention it ? If the bruises are shocking and severe is it ok to mention them once or more than once on separate days?




Rushemery -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 3:24:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UsemeinTexas

The Master that I just left  would beat me while playing until I had large welts that would be purple bruises the next day. If he thought I needed punishment he would cane me until I bled. He refused to acknowledge the bruises or the wounds. He said I was whinning and complaining when I mentioned them at all and I would get punished again. I fainted twice from these harsh punishments. I left him soon after the second fainting. 
What I want to know is this: When you leave bruises on your property, is it ok for that person(property) to mention it ? If the bruises are shocking and severe is it ok to mention them once or more than once on separate days?

I think you were right to voice your concern and have every right too, you were probablly right to leave because it may have just gotten worse





chellekitty -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 6:31:26 AM)

anything that is put out there to be considered universal will have an exception...i'm sure that last statement will have an exception...or maybe not...lol...i don't really want to get into a philisophical debate on the boards....that can go on forever with circular logic....so....in my not so humble opinion...are they all red flags...no...some of them are red flags, some of them are caution flags, some of them are did you negotiate that, if not, you should, and if thats still going on and you don't want it to be...fucking leave flags....but yea...they would all catch my eye in one way or another...

chelle




submissfifi -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 6:47:27 AM)

As a newbie submissive I find this list very interesting and very helpful. As I have very little experience I feel that I cannot state anything more than that. But I do think from speaking as a newbie, it is very good that it is here and I know I shall use it.

Fi





Celeste43 -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 8:07:15 PM)

Very helpful if she's never had a single date before. Otherwise, anybody with any life experience out to be able to figure things out. Unfortunately too many people leave their common sense behind when they get onto sites like this.




Myster -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 8:32:10 PM)

If those kinds of punishments were negociated up front then they are acceptable. If they were unwanted then you had every right to walk away. The markings wern't concentual.

just my .02

Kevin

quote:

ORIGINAL: UsemeinTexas

The Master that I just left  would beat me while playing until I had large welts that would be purple bruises the next day. If he thought I needed punishment he would cane me until I bled. He refused to acknowledge the bruises or the wounds. He said I was whinning and complaining when I mentioned them at all and I would get punished again. I fainted twice from these harsh punishments. I left him soon after the second fainting. 
What I want to know is this: When you leave bruises on your property, is it ok for that person(property) to mention it ? If the bruises are shocking and severe is it ok to mention them once or more than once on separate days?





Lordandmaster -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 8:40:21 PM)

Love the elaborate choker, fifi.




LadyLynx -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 11:03:34 PM)

The thing I have found about instincts, is that some don't realize they are the same as when they were vanilla.  Others don't want to realize it.  I suspect that if I hadn't been so fearful of what could happen, if I did this or did that, that I may have wound up dead in a ditch somewhere.  (yes sometimes being a "scaredy cat" can be life saving!)

As for the Red Flags list, not bad. But of course someone has to be willing to look for them 1st.  And also keep in mind that Male Dominants are not the only ones who can abuse and there other forms of abuse.




LadyLynx -> RE: Red Flags list. (10/19/2007 11:09:26 PM)

Mr.Discipline44, you said:  I find alot of the flags to be crap

Just out of curiousity which ones do you find to be crappy?  :)




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