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MadRabbit -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:09:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I will not, however, refrain from commenting my opinion on your posts if I feel so inclined. Please try to be a bit more empathetic. My feelings are hurt. As far as "clarifying", I made statements as examples and then proceeded to give a specific explanation as to what I was trying to communicate. Its all right there. I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:11:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael The path I have been on was right for me, I wouldn't want to return to any point along it however as I have grown past it to become the man I am today. My way today is the one true way for me at this point in my life. I'm not sure how I missed this before. This is wonderfully said and I agree with it whole-heartedly (well except for my being a man and all...)

RRafe -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I will not, however, refrain from commenting my opinion on your posts if I feel so inclined. Please try to be a bit more empathetic. My feelings are hurt. As far as "clarifying", I made statements as examples and then proceeded to give a specific explanation as to what I was trying to communicate. Its all right there. I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying. You have an arguing fetish-don't you?

MadRabbit -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:17:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RRafe quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I will not, however, refrain from commenting my opinion on your posts if I feel so inclined. Please try to be a bit more empathetic. My feelings are hurt. As far as "clarifying", I made statements as examples and then proceeded to give a specific explanation as to what I was trying to communicate. Its all right there. I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying. You have an arguing fetish-don't you? Its an online only one.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:21:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I will not, however, refrain from commenting my opinion on your posts if I feel so inclined. Please try to be a bit more empathetic. My feelings are hurt. As far as "clarifying", I made statements as examples and then proceeded to give a specific explanation as to what I was trying to communicate. Its all right there. I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying. MR, all due respect, my post to you was a way of stating my opinion and asking for clarity, and your response to it appears to be emulating exactly what you claiming that others do: "Unfortanely, some people dont seem to be happy with that. They want everyone to agree or give them a pat on the back for whatever they are doing or get angry simply because their opinion isnt the popular one." Your response to me here contains what appears to be sarcasm (the empathy/hurt feelings remark), no real answers to my comments, and well, what appears to be pouting: "I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying." I personally don't see anything productive in that, and my "war" was actually an attempt at productive conversation.

MadRabbit -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:36:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie I will not, however, refrain from commenting my opinion on your posts if I feel so inclined. Please try to be a bit more empathetic. My feelings are hurt. As far as "clarifying", I made statements as examples and then proceeded to give a specific explanation as to what I was trying to communicate. Its all right there. I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying. MR, all due respect, my post to you was a way of stating my opinion and asking for clarity, and your response to it appears to be emulating exactly what you claiming that others do: "Unfortanely, some people dont seem to be happy with that. They want everyone to agree or give them a pat on the back for whatever they are doing or get angry simply because their opinion isnt the popular one." Your response to me here contains what appears to be sarcasm (the empathy/hurt feelings remark), no real answers to my comments, and well, what appears to be pouting: "I dont feel like repeating it because I am now being told what I was, in fact, saying." I personally don't see anything productive in that, and my "war" was actually an attempt at productive conversation. Mmmmmmm.... Pouting? Nope I just fail to see where the productive conversation came in at since you basically agreed with the general points in my statement, but proceeded to break it down and argue over the semantics. So...we are in agreement regarding the spirit of my post...at least that I can gather from what we agreed on...but the vast majority of it seems like a strawman where you are taking my words and trying to make it seem like I am contradicting myself. I just simply dont want to defend against a semantical attack from someone who has an axe to grind against me...which is what your posts appear to me...since we are making our opinions about what each other appear to be doing. However, to answer one of your questions, no, I dont feel any particular need to be empathetic or compassionate on the Internet, particularly when that compassion or empathy gets in the way of saying things that need to be said. And as far as your little disclaimer about "All you do is ask for clarify and try and have good discussion" is one I consider to be null and void since you recently spent some time hurling flames at me for playing devil's advocate with an unpopular opinion.

RRafe -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 3:39:17 PM)
There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear There's a man with a gun over there Telling me I got to beware I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down / E - A - / / / / E D A C / There's battle lines being drawn Nobody's right if everybody's wrong Young people speaking their minds Getting so much resistance from behind I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down What a field-day for the heat A thousand people in the street Singing songs and carrying signs Mostly say, hooray for our side It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away We better stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, hey, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, now, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down Stop, children, what's that sound Everybody look what's going down [:D]

ownedgirlie -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 4:23:24 PM)
OK MR. Since I called a particular behavior that you were exhibiting in a different thread disgusting (thus judging the behavior and not the person), you have seemingly decided that anything I comment on toward you must be in that same spirit. You are incorrect. But I do find it interesting now, however, that you are kind of proving yourself as an example of your own argument - that people get rattled when their behaviors are judged. Your sarcasm and your comment about "little disclaimers" are evident of that. And no, I was not picking your post apart. I was showing you what I thought were two entirely different meanings with what you were saying. I believe calling someone nuts is "hurling" (to use your word) insults at someone, while calling their behavior nuts is not. You used an example of calling someone nuts as actually referring to their behavior, and I disagreed with that. You don't see that point, perhaps because you seem to think this is a personal attack on you somehow, thus demonstrating your own point of: "Unfortanely, some people dont seem to be happy with that. They want everyone to agree or give them a pat on the back for whatever they are doing or get angry simply because their opinion isnt the popular one." No worries, MR. This didn't get anywhere and I will move on now. I'm not a huge fan of nit-picking, but there were examples in your post of how good intentions can so easily be miscommunicated, that I had hoped to bring that out to talk about. And just to add for clarity, since you have brought it up twice, I have no axe to grind with you. I'm not sure why I would, actually, so I don't really know where that's coming from. Anyway, RRafe is singing off key, lol, so I'm out (heh, sorry RRafe [8D] )

MadRabbit -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 4:36:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie But I do find it interesting now, however, that you are kind of proving yourself as an example of your own argument - that people get rattled when their behaviors are judged. Your sarcasm and your comment about "little disclaimers" are evident of that. And I find it interesting when people constantly harp on empathy, compassion, and coddling everyone, but then exhibit behaviors that are in opposition to that. You are right. Things can be misinterrupted. My sarcasm and comments are mostly stemming from a lack of taking you serious because of this fact and finding this to be somewhat amusing in light of your past posts.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 4:42:31 PM)
OK but I don't harp on coddling. I hate coddling and I say that rather regularly. Not sure where I have been incompassionate but no matter. Feel free to enjoy your sacrasm and negativity, and whether or not you take me seriously is really inconsequential to me as I have nothing to prove here. Enjoy the amusement, MR. These boards are certainly good for that :)

MadRabbit -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 4:43:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie OK but I don't harp on coddling. I hate coddling and I say that rather regularly. Not sure where I have been incompassionate but no matter. Feel free to enjoy your sacrasm and negativity, and whether or not you take me seriously is really inconsequential to me as I have nothing to prove here. Enjoy the amusement, MR. These boards are certainly good for that :) Yep, they certainly are [:D]

Wildfleurs -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 5:04:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar I think that toservez hit it on the nose. People spout absolutes. There are no absolutes here. Isn't saying there are no absolutes an absolute? C~

Rover -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 5:18:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs quote: ORIGINAL: Dnomyar I think that toservez hit it on the nose. People spout absolutes. There are no absolutes here. Isn't saying there are no absolutes an absolute? C~ Absolutely. John

LATEXBABY64 -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 5:20:57 PM)
to everything is a some kinda of conclusion. if something does not work then yes your doing it wrong. If it works your doing it right. there some things that are black n white. and some things that grey area. if someone gets married seven times i would say that person is not the person to be married. If a person hurts tons of people i would say that is not a person to be around. If that person is a positive person everything he or she does grows then that is someone you can learn from. SO my POINT IS life is trial and error. SOME people have to TRY things for THEMselves in order to GET IT. No mater how much you try and show them or explain to them or help them. IT is THERE LIFE so fall on your freaking face and get over it. THen if you do not learn from right and wrong. no one can help ya just simple facts of life the universe and how it is lol

KnightofMists -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 5:37:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit To me, the slogan of "No One True Way" means one has to acknowledge the fact that there is multiple ways to do things in WIITWD. However, just because there is no One True Way doesnt automatically equate that every single way proposed here by Jimmy the 18 year old Internet Monkey can be carried out or executed without negative consequences. Well said... and unfortunately more than a few seem to miss the boat on..... Is there one true way.... NO and not even for myself... there are many options open to an individual.. and at any given moment... I will being doing one way..... but that doesn't mean that I will not try another way down the road. We travel many roads ... some we enjoy more than others... some roads we stay on longer than others... and we don't necessarily stay the longest on the roads we enjoy.. .but we sure hope too. I think we get to caught up in trying to determine what road to travel.... sitting at the crossroads doesn't get us anywhere.... get up take a step down the path... don't like.. go back and try the other way.... hell... like it try it for while and still go back and try the other way.. just because! Last comment.... Yes there is wrong ways! No matter how I try.. flapping my arms is not going to get me to fly. The reality is that I am not going to fly that way... and it is wrong to assume that I will fly that way. of course... if my goal is not to fly but just to fly my arms a pretend I am flying.... well... I think I am doing it the right way. Our goals that we declare affect one path is best for us. If I say that I wish to get to the bottom of the cliff and carry on my way down this new path .. well.. I could jump flying my arms and fly down. mmmmmmmm but... even though I got to the bottom of the cliff... I am dead and at the bottom of the cliff I stay. It is subjective judgments for sure... but sometimes we see a persons goal and their approach to achieving that goal. We can establish for ourselves that their ability to realize that goal is achieveable or a pipedream. Our experience and intelligence ways in heavily when we make these subjective judgements as well as our knowledge and information on the given situation. Yeah.. their is more than one way.... but their are alot more wrong ways that right ways.

Kaiynasha -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 5:43:00 PM)
I completely agree. I left collarme for this reason. I sometimes felt that if someone had a different point of view or idea and if it wasn't agreed upon- it was either shut down, ignored, or the person was ganged up. I don't have time for this kind of drama. So why have I come back, because I did some thinking of my own and realize that people will never change and the only person I can change is myself. If someone cannot deal with my comment, opinion, or perspective then they are not very open-minded- therefore I can simply not give attention to those who are not. Now, I am not saying that, those who disagree are not open-minded, I am saying you can disagree and still have a genunine conversation without all the ill drama that comes with it. I was raised to have respect for others opinions and I am not likely to change that because a few others feel differently. So I am glad you bring this up and hopefully, I will stay long enough to hear more from you. lol

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 6:14:11 PM)
I wonder why the OP made the post she did? Honestly lately I think she's been one of the more blatant posters of trying to say absolutes and push their own way on others. Really the closest we can come is to say "This is what works for me, right now." I can say "That really almost never works" "Most people are really stupid for doing that" "I think that's a stupid thing to do" and still completely respect the person doing it AND absolutely agree that I might be wrong and they could defy the odds completely. I think that works for me.

Kirata -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 6:58:23 PM)
Posted in General BDSM Discussion.... quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber I do get tired of the many, many folk on here who seem to think their "philosophy" is inately superior to everyone else. It's known in some circles as MKIOKYIN. "My Kink Is OK, Yours Is Not." If you want to see a great example of it, click on over to the Gorean section and read how they slam folks who are BDSM. Posted in Gorean Lifestyles.... quote: ORIGINAL: bipolarber Gor ...is absolutist, restrictive to roles and fascist. BDSM, is open, welcoming, tollerant of other points of view, and allows for personal growth. Our... Who would have guessed that some people actually work at giving our groups a bad picture of each other? K.

Petronius -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 7:01:08 PM)
Our society produces narcissistic personality disorders the way that the Victorians produced hysterical neuroses. One political/philosophical saying is "Everybody is entitled to their own opinion but nobody is entitled to their own facts." One cannot meaningfully say "My way [opinion] is the only true way [fact.]" But then you also cannot meaningfully say "My way [opinion] is whatever I want it to mean [fact]." To put it another way, one can say "I like chocolate ice cream" but not meaningfully "chocolate ice cream is the only ice cream." You also can say "I like okra" but not meaningfully "What other people call okra I call chocolate ice cream."

bipolarber -> RE: Semantics and the One True Way... (10/23/2007 8:20:13 PM)
Yeah, that's the hell of having an opinion... with reason to back it up. Did you want to direct the nice folks to the thread in Gorean Lifestyles where you took that copy from, K? The thread where you and just about everyone in the Gorean community jumped down the throat of some young lady who just wanted to talk about, and maybe gain a little support for, her and her Master's way of practicing their interpretation of the "Gorean" lifestyle? Or shall I direct them there? Or would that be a little too honest for you? Considering that this thread is about how people try to push the "one true way" of living on others, that particular thread is a perfect example of a worst case scenario! And if they continue down the thread, past the point where you guys start slamming me... they'll notice a few choice comments you guys made about THIS community as well. Nice to know you hold BDSM in such high regard. And we're supposed to ignore your dissing us?

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