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We won't capitulate

Then why did Bush obey Bin Ladin's 9/11 dictates, and remove the US Troops from Bin Ladin's homeland, Saudi Arabia?

If that ain't capitulation, what is?

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Any idea of which former communist country received massive US support for many many years and was never tied closely to Stalin?

Can you name a Middle East country other than Israel the West has not invaded, occupied, or overthrown their government?

How many democracies has the US overthrown?

Can you by any chance give us an example of how Iran is going to do this? (edited to correct punctuation)

How exactly can you exploit that as weakness?

Speaking of which can you name the last time there was a bayonet charge?

You do realize that the natives living in America before the arrival of savages lived longer, were healthier, and in general were far more civilized than the savages from Europe?  Or that North America supported a far larger population that Europe?

Can you point to anywhere that this administration has used any of the standard COIN strategies and can you explain why when they finally did so it was only YEARS after the fact?  Can you explain why riding in an armored vehicle is directly counter to standard COIN strategy and is in fact one of the GOALS of "terrorists"?  (again edited to correct puncutation)

Yeah, how many Democrats vs. Republican's can you name that were doing business with Nazi Germany?  Banking anyone?

Wasn't it the Muslims who had an empire so large the sun never set on it?  Is that why Arabic is spoken widely in South America and Africa?

And it would be the fault of the protestors that we get pushed out of Afghanistan?

Do you know WHY that was being said?  Do you know what we did about it?  Do you know why they were right?

If you were Bin Laudin, why on earth would you publicly come out for the side you truly wanted to win?

You certainly ask a lot of questions. 

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Of course it escapes all of the Bush worshipers that she in no way showed money coming from communists groups.

Really?

Though you may argue differently, I think the links she provided showed clearly that many of the participants in the 911 Power to the Peaceful Festival have questionable ties to Communism.  Of course, you'd have to really stop to think about it, but just how do you think these peace rallies are funded?

In part by participant fees. 

From the Tabling Invitation for the 911 Power to the Peaceful Festival:

If you are interested in Tabling at the festival please fill out the form below and send it in with your tabling fee.   The cost to table is a sliding scale $50-$100+.   We rely on your contributions as all involved make the festival possible.

So even the organizers recognize that the participants are financially sponsoring the event.

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We have ruled the world before

And by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again

The day will come when we will rule America

The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world…

...yup, thats an extremist.....and so's this....

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." Anne Coulter
 
......i don't think any side has a monoploy on extremists......

You spelled her name wrong.  And she's not an extremist in the least.  She only uses words to put liberals in their place, not swords.

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....thats just absurd.

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questionable ties to Communism.

Oh Jesus,...you gotta be fuck`n kidding. 
 
 Not "that" scare tactic.lol Give us a f`n break.

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"Democracy" didn't work out the way the US wanted when Hamas got themselves elected the LAWFUL GOVERNMENT of Palestine.

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Perhaps Condi Rice JUST ISN'T SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH to handle the complexities of the gig? Hell, she can't even hide the home she owns with her lesbian friend ( Which would get her tossed from the military... )

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We have ruled the world before

And by Allah, the day will come when we will rule the entire world again

The day will come when we will rule America

The day will come when we will rule Britain and the entire world…

...yup, thats an extremist.....and so's this....

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity." Anne Coulter
 
......i don't think any side has a monoploy on extremists......

You spelled her name wrong.  And she's not an extremist in the least.  She only uses words to put liberals in their place, not swords.

(my italics)


....thats just absurd.

Ummm... ok.  I disagree.  I've read almost all of her books.  She is well-reasoned, articulate (clean too!!), level headed though she does toss insults and has a great argument and logic for every idea she puts forth.  She also has copious research and documentation.  I'd like to see her disputed on facts and not on a character assasination. 

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She`s a fucking lunatic,crazy bigot.

But even wacko ,hateful bigoted people, have their admirers.

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She`s a fucking lunatic,crazy bigot.

But even wacko ,hateful bigoted people, have their admirers.

Can you make more of an argument than that?  She's not insane (unless you believe that everyone who doesn't agree with you is crazy), and she's not a bigot (umm.. proof on that one?).  Pssst... crazy and lunatic basically mean the same thing...

So you have admirers too??  That's GREAT!! :)

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She`s a fucking lunatic,crazy bigot.

But even wacko ,hateful bigoted people, have their admirers.

Can you make more of an argument than that?  She's not insane (unless you believe that everyone who doesn't agree with you is crazy), and she's not a bigot (umm.. proof on that one?).  Pssst... crazy and lunatic basically mean the same thing...

So you have admirers too??  That's GREAT!! :)

and she's not a bigot (umm.. proof on that one?). 

The comments about Jews converting to Christianity,to achieve "perfection"?

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I think that says it all right there.

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BTW,she`s toast.Though she`s presently the most popular republican speaker,she won`t be seen on on TV much more, and no (sane)republican wants to touch her w/ a ten foot pole.

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Personally,I want her to stick around and make lunatic,crazy,weird,wacko,nutty,numb-skulled,fucked up comments.

She`s a train-wreck. I love it.

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We won't capitulate

Then why did Bush obey Bin Ladin's 9/11 dictates, and remove the US Troops from Bin Ladin's homeland, Saudi Arabia?

If that ain't capitulation, what is?

Well, if you wanna parse words.... He threatened Spain, they capitulated by pulling their troops out of Iraq. We haven't done that.

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"Democracy" didn't work out the way the US wanted when Hamas got themselves elected the LAWFUL GOVERNMENT of Palestine.

Actually, I think it worked just peachy. Now if they do inhumane things, overstep their boundaries, and whatnot, we can discuss it with a governing entity and the people themselves can face the consequences that follow. Afterall, they did vote for the guys. Isn't that what you all have been saying about Bush?

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Perhaps Condi Rice JUST ISN'T SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH to handle the complexities of the gig? Hell, she can't even hide the home she owns with her lesbian friend ( Which would get her tossed from the military... )

Well, you managed a smear, an allegation and an outright insult all without saying much of anything!! Hats off to you.

Jeesh.

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Or even keeping under the strict Don't Ask, Don't Tell restrictions required of other homosexuals in the service of the US requiring them to avoid joint-ownership of real-estate assets with their partners?

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We won't capitulate

Then why did Bush obey Bin Ladin's 9/11 dictates, and remove the US Troops from Bin Ladin's homeland, Saudi Arabia?

If that ain't capitulation, what is?

Well, if you wanna parse words.... He threatened Spain, they capitulated by pulling their troops out of Iraq. We haven't done that.

I'm confused.

Are you suggesting that Bin Ladin didn't threaten the US?

Are you suggesting that the US didn't pull out the troops from Saudi Arabia?

Are you suggesting that the US pulled these troops out BEFORE Bin Ladin demanded it as part of 9/11?

Are you suggesting that removal of the troops, as dictated by Bin Ladin, isn't capitulation?

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"Democracy" didn't work out the way the US wanted when Hamas got themselves elected the LAWFUL GOVERNMENT of Palestine.

Actually, I think it worked just peachy. Now if they do inhumane things, overstep their boundaries, and whatnot, we can discuss it with a governing entity and the people themselves can face the consequences that follow. Afterall, they did vote for the guys. Isn't that what you all have been saying about Bush?

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Perhaps Condi Rice JUST ISN'T SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH to handle the complexities of the gig? Hell, she can't even hide the home she owns with her lesbian friend ( Which would get her tossed from the military... )

Well, you managed a smear, an allegation and an outright insult all without saying much of anything!! Hats off to you.

Jeesh.

I said she wasn't up to the job. If you don't consider that "much of anything" then that's not my problem.

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It's sad that some would consider valid criticism of her repeated failures as a smear, allegation or insult?

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Do you think being Gay is something to be ashamed of, and therefore insulting? And therefore there's something insulting about recognition of her homosexuality?

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Are you not allowed to criticize homosexuals for their failures in other arenas?

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If she's too scared to come out, then what does that say for her Personal Integrity and Fortitude?

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Do you have evidence to offer of Rice's Competence in *any* arena? Foreign Policy?

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Or even keeping under the strict Don't Ask, Don't Tell restrictions required of other homosexuals in the service of the US requiring them to avoid joint-ownership of real-estate assets with their partners?

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No, you said she wasn't sophisticated enough. You didn't actually state any factual information.

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It's sad that some would consider valid criticism of her repeated failures as a smear, allegation or insult?

There was nothing there other than your basic name calling and smears. Any sort of actual facts, links, logical reasoning as to why you feel she ought to be criticised? Nope, just smears.

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Do you think being Gay is something to be ashamed of, and therefore insulting? And therefore there's something insulting about recognition of her homosexuality?

Obviously you do, since you brought it up with a negative tone and even suggested that she'd be ousted from the military (though she's not a member of the Armed Forces).

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FB- The pullout of Saudia Arabia wasn't a capitulation to Bin Laden. Not all the troops were removed, and it was done for other reasons.

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If you like, I even have an actual news link on the information. Any troop reconfiguration or pull-out, by your reasoning could be attributed to capitulation. That's not logical nor reasonable.

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You talk of a new approach.  What would that be? 

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You talk of a new approach.  What would that be? 

...fair question, i'll give it a stab.

Firstly, stop the support of Israel......put them in a situation where they have to use diplomacy to get along with their neighbours instead of being able to rely on US funded force.
Secondly, the middle east only has the imprtance is does to the West because of oil. So time to go to alternative sources of energy.
Thirdly, encourage all nations to sign up to some form of universal human rights standard, and then stick to it........if your ally breaks the code they stop being your ally. In other words, occupy the moral high ground.
Fourthly, this is not just advice for US foreign policy, it applies to all nations.

In essence, get our noses out from where they don't belong. The middle east will not solve its problems by the efforts of one country alone....because all nations are too self interested. Just as in our own countries we have to abide by Law in order to co-exist, so international relations must be governed by Law.