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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/1/2005 10:07:38 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Forgive me for being naive, but what does "two hookers and an eight-ball" have to do with this topic?

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 1:14:40 AM   
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Not necessarily, though that's not a bad idea in itself. People to drug/knock out play as part of their kinky activities a lot. This thread brought up a lot of safety issues related to this type of play.

I'm an amateur I admit, but any drug that can paralize someone, can probably paralyze respiratory muscles (unless it's used on specific areas to affect specific areas), but seems like edge play to me to do something so potentially (immediately) fatal (not that most things aren't). M

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 1:50:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Drugs do alter perception and I do not condone use of drugs prior to or during a scene. In fact, I don't condone their use at all. But that is My personal thing.
If you need to do drugs to play, then you shouldn't be playing in the first place. I feel the same way about alcohol.
I am not saying a glass of wine with dinner is bad, but three or four cocktails prior to playing is not necessary and could be dangerous. As far as drugs are concerned, the day they make them legal, and there is regulation in the manufacture and potency, is the day I will consider viewing that as an appropriate social activity which might be acceptable in minimal quantity.
Until then...not with Me.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 2:01:28 AM   
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Forgive me for being naive, but what does "two hookers and an eight-ball" have to do with this topic?


I read a Newsweek article on meth yesterday, and they defined an 'eight-ball' as one-eighth of an ounce of meth. I suppose this could apply to other drugs.

As for hookers.....

I am guessing this has to do with the American civil war General Joseph Hooker. And...erm... his clone.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 5:00:15 AM   
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Any person who purposely engages in illegal behavior is an idiot in my opinion


tetheredkitty,
You may be a jailer, but you know very little about the law.
What we all do here is illegal in most parts of the country.
I taught criminology for 26 years. In the last week I have committed at least 5 class B felonies. All of this as a part of my "normal" involvement in bdsm activities.

As for the original post about drugs; it all depends on the individual.

Some people cannot handle ANYTHING. Others are jsut plain boring until they put some sort of substance in them....lol.

I have not been drunk since 1969 and not stoned since 1980; but I have done my share of sceneing with people who have been drinking; popping pils, smoking dope, and other assorted things. With those people it is the top's responsibility to take it all into account. And no, I have never had a scene go wrong; though I have seen some go terribly wrong that had NOTHING to do with drugs.



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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 5:19:35 AM   
dommemagnet


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Status: offline 		Don't personally use drugs. They just aren't my personal thing and I don't feel like spending any time with tetheredkitty on a professional level. lol. As a newbie, the thrill of the activity would far out weigh the high of the drug anyway. I would rather remember it all with clarity.

Now, for the debate concerning laws. There are good ones, bad ones and those in between. Some very good points raised previously. Bad laws can and are repealed. Lets face it, laws are made by men and women that are just as flawed as the rest of us. (Well, since they are usually politicians, more flawed than us HA!) Disobey if you choose but remember regardless the merit of the law, there are consenquences for crossing the line.

Reminds me of the story about the old indian woman that found a rattlesnake frozen in the snow outside her tee pee one winter. Taking pity on the poor frozen reptile, she brought it inside, warmed it up and fed it until it was healthy again. One day the snake bit the old woman to her dismay. She cried "Why after all I've done for you did you feel the need to bite me? The snake replied, you knew I was a rattle snake bitch.

We're all adults, break the law if you choose but be prepared to pay the consequences. If you don't like a particular law work through the political process to change it. Achk!! I'd personally rather be dipped in shit 50 miles from water but to each their own.

Whatever you do, be safe.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 5:31:46 AM   
mistoferin


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I have never had a scene go wrong; though I have seen some go terribly wrong that had NOTHING to do with drugs.


Well now there is justification if I ever saw it. I could be a skydiver for ten years and never personally see a chute fail to open. Does that negate the fact that skydiving is a dangerous activity? It's great that you have personally never had a scene go wrong...but it only takes one time and you could wind up answering a whole lot of questions to people you'd rather not have involved.

On another thread the use of drugs was compared to subspace. Yes, I agree that subspace is an altered mental state and in many ways could be seen as being similar to a drug induced state, but if you add drugs into that mix....how is the Dominant to know if you are in subspace or if you have had too much Ecstasy?..cocaine?...or chloroform?...or alcohol?...or substitute your drug of choice.

If it is the Dom who is consuming the substance...do you really want to find out that he has had a bit too much and no longer has the capacity to make good judgements AFTER you are tied down and helpless?

I know that there are people out there who engage in this type of behavior...more power to them. Personally I think they are fools. I am not sure where they do it because I go to a fair number of events and I have never attended an event where this type of play was allowed or condoned. If alcohol is served at an event there is generally a standard rule that you will not be playing if you have chosen to partake before play.

At a public agenda, your risky behavior ups the ante for everyone in attendance. No one wants to be questioned because you misjudged how much coke you decided to suck up your nose. It's a variable that is not within the control of the DM's and therefore adds a risk factor to all present.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 6:25:36 AM   
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I would not be a party of drugs or alcohol in any scene. However, I think it is also wrong to say I wouldn't use them, just becuase they happen to be illegal. I bet most people here have participated in an illegal activity of some type - from sex in a public place to anal - just look at the stupid laws that exist within different states, let alone countries.

Personal choice - but if someone does it, I wouldn't. End of.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 6:30:51 AM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		I have mixed thoughts about this. A drink or two, a phat funny..........
Moderation in all for christs sake.

I am a child of the seventies. A better life through chemicals.

You can stab yourself in the tonsils with a fork and bleed to death.

Things can go overboard, agreed. This can be done in every aspect of life.

Common sense; now there's the ticket. Some self-control and preparedness can go a long way.

Ron

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 11:45:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I have mixed thoughts about this. A drink or two, a phat funny..........
Moderation in all for christs sake.
I am a child of the seventies. A better life through chemicals.
Things can go overboard, agreed. This can be done in every aspect of life.

Common sense; now there's the ticket. Some self-control and preparedness can go a long way.
Ron

I'm in complete agreement with you Ron, but what's a phat funny? M

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 11:46:57 AM   
mnottertail


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Good to see you M.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 11:48:14 AM   
BlkTallFullfig


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
You might recognize *blunt* perhaps?
Ron

Yes, that I do, thanks. M

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 11:58:49 AM   
Alexander


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Status: offline 		One time (At band camp) cocaine caused an excellent scene with one girl (A slut), four men and one dom (me). It also pretty much made a perfect (happy) ending to that scene impossible.

Drugs are drugs. The ones the money men want you to take and the ones they don't. No one blinks at Starbucks or Smirnoff profits but a whole bunch of people shit blood if they find out the that Somalia, Kenya, Malawi, Uganda, Tanzania, the Congo, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Yemen and Madagascar practically can't have business meetings without a drug called Khat. Similar stimulants slightly different applications. If you find yourself needing to feel judgemental about the way other people impair themselves youre experiencing personal sociological predjudice. If you find yourself being cautious around things that impair/improve/expand performance in yourself and others, your being intelligent.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:10:59 PM   
Gauge


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If you find yourself needing to feel judgemental about the way other people impair themselves youre experiencing personal sociological predjudice.


How is "judging" other people that impair themselves a personal sociological prejudice? There is something called a preference and most people on here have expressed a preference not to do anything with someone that is impaired by an intoxicating substance. I don't think that anyone needs to feel judgmental about these things. People can have opinions one way or the other. This is why they make more than one flavor of ice cream.

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If you find yourself being cautious around things that impair/improve/expand performance in yourself and others, your being intelligent.



Please explain this to me. I don't see how that makes one intelligent. We are talking about illegal substances, correct?


Edited to fix a spelling error

< Message edited by Gauge -- 8/2/2005 3:13:06 PM >

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:20:54 PM   
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Drugs are drugs. The ones the money men want you to take and the ones they don't. No one blinks at Starbucks or Smirnoff profits but a whole bunch of people shit blood if they find out the that Somalia, Kenya, Malawi, Uganda, Tanzania, the Congo, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Yemen and Madagascar practically can't have business meetings without a drug called Khat. Similar stimulants slightly different applications. If you find yourself needing to feel judgemental about the way other people impair themselves youre experiencing personal sociological predjudice. If you find yourself being cautious around things that impair/improve/expand performance in yourself and others, your being intelligent.


Extremely well said and thought out.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:31:17 PM   
Alexander


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How is "judging" other people that impair themselves a personal sociological prejudice? There is something called a preference and most people on here have expressed a preference not to do anything with someone that is impaired by an intoxicating substance.


judgemental preference IS personal sociological predjudice. Think, "discriminating taste". Whether you impair yourself daily with caffiene or pot or the avoidance of all toxins in meat making value judgements on others who do not share your discriminating taste is a personal sociological predjudice. See also idiom: each to his own

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ME: If you find yourself being cautious around things that impair/improve/expand performance in yourself and others, your being intelligent.


Please explain this to me. I don't see how that makes one intelligent. We are talking about illegal substances, correct?


Keyword. Cautious, see also: careful, objective, serious, respectful, aware, deliberate.

I don't know if you're are talking about illegal substances. I'm talking about narcotics and stimulants both legal
and illegal. The distinction between the government sanctioned substances and the banned substances is irrelevant to me.

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:49:54 PM   
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DRUG USSERS ARE LOSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:51:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HCWT1

Its very simple;
DRUG USSERS ARE LOSSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But they won't necessarily lose spelling bees

*giggling and cyber running away*

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 3:56:33 PM   
subcheryl


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Status: offline 		I personally would not play with someone who is using drugs or alcohol before the play, that is my preference I like the idea of a wider margin of safety. Yes things can go wrong unexpectably without the influence but at least the other party will be a bit quicker on the draw in reconizing it. As far as the law and the legalities of it, yes it is your choice to use or not. and yes there are consequences, I know personally of these. My late husbands son from his first marriage did jail time 3x's for drugs, the third time he is still in for and may not get out till he is in his mid to late 50's. He lost his family, his son doesn't want anything to do with him and his daughter barely knows him, he lost his possesions, the only thing he has is 5 acres of land, and a garage he built and the only reason he has the land as it was a gift from his father and me. Wisconsin is a 3 stikes you're out, law state, get sentenced for the same crime 3x's you do full sentence, so when he gets out what kind of life is he going to have? Most employers will not hire someone that age, how well I know and I am only 49 right now, he will be mid to late 50's and with a record. Alot are now doing background checks,so not sure what his future looks like and he was intellegent as far as he could have done better using his brain but instead chose to sell and use to make the quick bucks, so now he is paying for that choice.

edited to say dark-angel this was not in reply to you, but every time I hit the post a reply at the bottom of the page it brings up the message in reply to.......

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RE: two hookers and an eight ball. - 8/2/2005 6:57:06 PM   
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every time I hit the post a reply at the bottom of the page it brings up the message in reply to.......


If you click on the small reply button that is in the upper right hand corner of each message, you will get the correct name of the person you are replying to.

Simply find their original message, and click on the small reply button for that particular message.

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