Noah
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On a personal note, I agree...however, my personal opinion isn't important. What's important is that drug use is illegal and you can go to jail for it. Any person who purposely engages in illegal behavior is an idiot in my opinion. I work as a jailer, and let me tell you, I would NEVER consciously do something that would get me sent there...its a not a fun place to be.
You say you're a gamer. Maybe you paid in advance for every piece of software you've ever tried. Now that would strike me as idiotic but then your kink is your business.
Subspace is an altered state of consciousness. Those who experience this state often report narrowing of, as well as other changes to, their perceptions. Those who experience this state commonly report a reduction in their level of control over themselves during which they rely on the discretion of their partner.
The resulting state of consciousness can be induced by a single means or by multiple means. The use of multiple means is extremely common. The sound of my voice can do it under certain circumstances and yet I actually couple the sound of my voice with the slap of my hand on occasion, even thought the possible synergistic effects of this combination have not been exhaustively studied and documented. Similarly someone might employ a cup (or enema) of coffee or a glass of wine or a puff of some legal or illegal drug together with the back of their hand in their efforts to induce subspace. And they might live to tell about it.
As others have pointed out, many of the behaviors very commonly engaged in by posters here in order to achieve subspace for themselves or their partners are illegal in most American and many other jurisdictions. Wild, crazy stuff like spanking and handcuffing and anal sex. If a review of the dusty law books reveals that some or all of these things are prohibited by law in your locale will you truly give them up for fear of spending your nights where you now spend your work-days?
The government says it is good/bad. It must be so.
I wonder whether careful research would show that the same people who believe preposterous Reefer Madness twaddle like: "drugs make you think you're superman" tend to be the same people who believe things like "Osama Bin Laden partnered with Saddam Hussein to topple the World Trade Center because they both hate freedom" ?
Age play notwithstanding. "Daddy said so" is a pretty weak primary criterion for an adult to use to evaluate behavior, politically or personally. This is true whether the authority you are slavishly submitting to is indeed your father, your city council or your national government.
I sometimes use things like music, exercise, and gazing-into-her-loving-eyes to tune my state of consciousness. That last one hits harder than a tequila-codeine cocktail, by the way, with immediate measurable effects on my pulse, respiration, galvanic skin response and brain wave activity. Now shudder and cluck as I reveal that I combine such consciousness-altering modalities as these with kink. What is this world coming to?
You say you WON’T consciously do anything that will get you "sent there." As we speak there are plenty of people who as a result of consciously having chosen one religion rather than another have been "sent there," and kept there for years without ever having been so much as accused of breaking any laws.
Good luck with your life of founding all of your conscious decisions on fear of the jailer, jailer.
In response to the original poster: there are plenty of grown-ups who employ drugs while getting kinky. Some drugs I've personally witnessed the use of were: non-steroidal anti-inflamatories, anti-depressants, coffee, cigarettes (a deeply stupid drug in my opinion), calamine lotion, Viagra, and Midol. Oh yeah; I may once have seen a certain pathetic miscreant clandestinely guzzle a shot of Pepto Bismol just before changing into his ass-less chaps. Credible reports suggest that this list of kink drugs is not exhaustive.
If indeed many of those who post here would never be so crazy as to get kinky with someone who employed any of these chemicals I would ask that you go slow before demanding, say, that a potential dominant go off his Welbutrin for a few weeks so that he can safely choose your wardrobe for dinner.
Many of the adults who in their kinky endeavors employ music, exercise, some wine or a great big fatty do so carefully and responsibly. Now someone will likely state in reply that taking an Nyquil during phone sex is categorically irresponsible. Someone else might say the same thing about clinging to vapid generalizations. One of them is mired in intellectual adolescence.
As I was saying, many adults have carefully employed drugs like chocolate, cocaine, hot tea, ecstasy, beer and television in their kinky pursuits. Others have employed things like these carelessly and what resulted, resulted. Contrary to the implication ringing out from several posts in this thread, though, neither group has so far caused the sky to fall.
Here’s another question.
Assuming that informed consent is required to make kinky behavior okay we all seem to agree that those beneath a certain age as well as the profoundly mentally retarded are ruled out of OK Kink. I rule them out, anyway. Should a third group be ruled out as well? How about someone who despite having reached the age of legal majority and having a normal-range IQ is so stunted in his or her moral development as to publicly offer an opinion to the effect that what is legal is okay and what is not legal is not okay? Or how about someone who believes that: "my personal opinion isn't important" in making moral determinations but only the law books should be consulted?
Perhaps not proof in the strongest sense of the word, but aren’t opinions like these sufficiently strong evidence that the speaker has not escaped moral childhood and therefore can not genuinely give consent?
Noah
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