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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 12:05:15 PM   
SmokingGun82


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I've come a long way, I guess... from just fantasizing about things to having a decent amount of experience, from thinking "No way could I do X" to "X is ridiculously hot," and from thinking "Maybe I'm a sub" to realizing that there's really not a submissive bone in my body... it's been an interesting eight years.

I'm extremely interested to see what the next eight years brings.


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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 12:22:24 PM   
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I guess my biggest change has been how my tastes and limits have changed.  My most essential fetishes are the same, but I have found that some things (like bloodsports) that I never had much interest in at first really excite me.  I found that I enjoy being tied, which is excellent, since I got to be a demo model for Midori that way. :)    I have always been a sadist, but now I can actually SAY that with pride---for a long time I denied it, but yes, I am a sadist, and not always a consensual one. 

I have always been an outsider and edge person, and I think I have done a good job with confronting the things I had issues with.  I find that I am far less tolerant of bullshit and wankerage.  Perhaps because I see so much more of it?  I also have problems with the lack of self-policing in the scene, and am still trying to come up with a good solution that will help everyone.

The other day, after watching this genius top that I know playing, I realized that my limits are MY limits!  The connective tissue pain play, the pinchy stuff with forceps...all those would literally make me vomit from the pain (and yeah, I know some tops and bottoms would dig that).  I'm not sure if I want to use that bit of self-knowledge to broaden my horizons or not. 

I feel like I am entering a new phase (could just be a new form of middle age crazy) and I want to so something new, and re-experience things I haven't done in a long time.  Have I not done them because I was bored, or just because there are too many things to choose from?  I am sure the ride will still be FUN (thanks Ron!) and interesting. 

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 12:42:59 PM   
MstrssScarlet


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I started out as a submissive.  When I first started dating men on the lifestyle sites, it seemed like the proper role.   After I married my husband (definitely a dominant!), he pointed out some things in my character that he thought would make me a better dominant.  Boy, was he right.  I've been a domme ever since and even pro domme on the side now, something I would never have dreamed of doing when I first entered this lifestyle.  I am still submissive to my husband in private, but he's the one and only because I feel I need to honor the contract we entered into when we first got together.  To be honest though, he rarely exercises those rights anymore.  The dominant role seems so natural to me now that I'm surprised I ever started out as a submissive.  Seemed right at the time.....
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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 1:45:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

I'm just curious about others and how much their viewpoints/perspectives on activities in the lifestyle or in general have changed as they have gained experience.  Anyone care to share?


The biggest change has been in my own attitude. I started out as 'do me, do me NOW, damn it!' Then I left 'do me' behind and embraced 'I want to do what I think is best for you' That actually lasted for a good long while until I figured it all out and left that behind and accepted 'I'll do what you want me to do the way you want me to do it.'

I think because of my own 'do-me' start, I don't disparage those who are in that place because I have first hand experience that this sort of living can get under your skin, imbed itself in your pores, seep down into your blood and flow in your whole being changing your thoughts and feelings and bring you along so much further than you ever thought possible .. if you want to go there. Growth has always been an essential part of my life, experiences were everything because I thought that's what I needed to grow. I know better now and growth comes in many ways and many forms. I can recognize it now and grab that ring to pull myself higher up the chain of my own potential.

I used to be a do me bottom with a natural inclination for submission ... and now I'm a pretty good slave. I used to be really, incredibly dumb, and now I'm wise most of the time and even brillant on occasion and my moments of sheer ineptitude are few and far between .. but there are still enough of them that it keeps me humble.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 1:55:09 PM   
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i knew very little when i first started. Now i do have a better understanding with all the reading i've done and meeting new people all the time. My Dom has shown me a lot and have experienced with me a lot on what i like and don't like. i've also come to realize that what i do with my Dom i probably would not get out of in a vanilla lifestyle.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 3:19:32 PM   
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I started off in BDSM scene when I was 18 and I met My ex partner. I started as a switch, mostly on the bottom as my ex was very dominant but did enjoy the occasional punishments. He was also an absolute sadist and I was ok with taking a bit of pain.

Now I'm very dominant and very sadistic!

I'm a Pro Domme and practise in My current (semi) relationship. Although he is not absolutly submissive I am the more dominant one. We don't have a D/s relationship to say, but I do wear the trousers.

So I do feel I have changed quite a bit, Ive gone from one extreme to the other.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 3:21:55 PM   
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When I first discovered this lifestyle, I was blinded by the romantic aspects that I thought I saw in it. I first discovered this online, and everyone I talked to was all gushy about how wonderful their Master/Dom was, how deeply in love they were, and oh yeah, how he liked to beat them everynow and then. I'm ashamed to say that that I made a lot of the newbie mistakes that I now recognize as silly, stupid, or even worse dangerous, looking for that elusive WUNDER DOM! Luckily, I outgrew that first rush of excitement with little or no lasting emotional, spiritual, of physical damage.

As for my tastes changing, they have grown by leaps and bounds. Things that I would have listed as hard limits when I first heard that phrase are now some of my favorites. As my list of experiences grew, so did my openness to other ideas. I used to say that nobody was going to hit me EVER nope not this girl...now I am a major masochist. I used to think that I would never be able to beat anybody, and now I am learning how to Top.

I, too, thought that I was to never speak my mind ever when in the company of other people who do this thing. I was afraid of seeming un-sublike, and now I realize that submissive does not equal doormat. (yes I know this phrase has been used to death, but cliche or not, it took me a long time to figure it out.) I am now active in my local club, and if I never said anything, I would explode sometimes .

Enough of my ramblings,

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 3:22:34 PM   
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Some things have changed, others haven't. No duct tape on skin is never going to change. But somethings I tried and adored even though they never appealed before (wax play) and others which sounded hot were not any fun in the doing (spreader bars). And some things were tried and were disastous so they've gone onto the forbidden list (humiliation).

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 4:32:52 PM   
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My views have deepened over the years. i was first found by a Master when i was only 18 years old. i had no idea what was going on, why i was being treated the way i was.  I didn't understand the humiliation, the punishments for not doing what he had told me to do or how to be in his world where i was pleasing to him but felt it was my decision to do what i was doing.
It was a long emotional battle of heart and head, submission vs trying to remain in control of myself w/o letting him rule my world. I eventually lost that battle and was widdled down to his slave. After 10 years of psychological torment with breaking me down, i spent 5 years finding myself again. Taking from the relationship what was pleasing and learning to incorporate it into my own world.  It wasn't until about 3 years into the relationship i was able to define the relationship as bdsm as i had no clue of the life before hand.
Since then, i have learned it isn't about the sex, being bound up or beaten into submission. I have learned to identify players within seconds of meeting them vs those who live it 24/7.

I also have found within me the true me. The one that since birth submits to everyone's wishes to please them and constantly striving for perfection in other's eyes. Only now i know my true self and the inner beauty of it.  I have learned to let go to another and let him lead me and train me as he wants me to be.

I had so many limits in the early stages and yet now i find out like the original poster, i am down to a handful of hard limits.  Before, what i was asked to do, was not what i wanted to do because it didn't please 'me'. Now i find doing those things so easy and craving to do them because it pleases 'him' and THAT pleases me.

There was so much to learn over the years and i have had a few wonderful Masters who have taught me many things. I can't imagine being in the vanilla world 24/7 with someone that is vanilla.  To me that feels like being suffocated and that the most wonderful part of who i am is not being allowed to live. Although i have to live part of my life vanilla, i view people differently and walk the halls at work laughing to myself wondering what others would think if they knew the TRUE me.  I still wonder sometimes if men really understand why my eyes naturally lower when in their presence and that i dont make eye contact with them.  If they think i am being a snob or if they live the life too and recognize my submission to them.  I do know a few along the way have as they have commented on it...but i still can't help but wonder.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 5:33:19 PM   
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I was "me-centric" and afraid of everything.  Now I am "Him-centric" and will do anything he wants.  My attitude, thoughts, esteem, inner strength...all of it has developed considerably.  I grew up and learned to be true to myself.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/26/2007 6:03:09 PM   
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Starting out, I had a big long list of ridiculous fantasies.  After playing in real time, a lot of fetishes I had made a better fantasy than reality.  And some made an even better reality than fantasy. 

I got rougher, after seeing how masochistic some subs can be.  I used to be that guy who always asked, "was that too hard?"  Later on I'd just grab her hair and get to work on some ass meat unless I heard a safeword. 

Over time I kept getting pickier about who I'd play with, and now I don't play with anyone just for play.  I'm just looking for one more, for keeps. 

Back when I first found some online D/s sites, I thought, "Wow, there are a lot morons here!"  But over there years, I've gotten to know more people, and made a lot of friends in the lifestyle.  And I now think, "Wow, there are a lot of morons here!"

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/27/2007 12:06:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Damocles809

Starting out, I had a big long list of ridiculous fantasies.  After playing in real time, a lot of fetishes I had made a better fantasy than reality.  And some made an even better reality than fantasy. 

I got rougher, after seeing how masochistic some subs can be.  I used to be that guy who always asked, "was that too hard?"  Later on I'd just grab her hair and get to work on some ass meat unless I heard a safeword. 

Over time I kept getting pickier about who I'd play with, and now I don't play with anyone just for play.  I'm just looking for one more, for keeps. 

Back when I first found some online D/s sites, I thought, "Wow, there are a lot morons here!"  But over there years, I've gotten to know more people, and made a lot of friends in the lifestyle.  And I now think, "Wow, there are a lot of morons here!"


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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/27/2007 12:31:08 AM   
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In the beginning I sat on the rocks and poured dirt on myself.

Now I stand in the refreshing and cleansing rain.

I can hardly wait until the sun comes out and I feel it's warmth on my face.

God that was serious, what the hell is happening to me.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/27/2007 9:52:31 AM   
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I started out as a "one who thought they knew everything" but really knew nothing of the lifestyle or about herself. Boy has things changed!! I went from being able to take very little pain, but still wanted more to having very few limits. I have been in this lifestyle about 6 years and I am now in the process of writing my contract, My first one and my first collar. So much has changed for me and in a good way. I used to be a submissive and interested in a Dom/Master but now I am a bi-sexual slave and in a poly relationship and will be their beta slave. It has been so worth the longggg wait......

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/27/2007 7:30:51 PM   
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I used to be christian, conservative and had the 'gays can sin if they want to' attitude. I'm now pagan/buddhist/native american, liberal and feel everyone is worthy of love in whatever form they choose. All of this came, in part, due to my involvement in the lifestyle.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/28/2007 12:42:39 AM   
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I was lucky in that I had alt lifestyle parents so I started out with an open mind a few limits if any.  The one thing I have noticed is that the more learn, the more I realize how little I know.  That was not case when I started as an arrogant teenager that thought he knew more than the average bear.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/28/2007 12:50:36 AM   
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I started out thinking I had to suffer. And I did, because reality didn't give a crap about my fantasy. I thought if I wasn't being treated with indifference, then I wasn't being dommed. I took a break. After pulling my head in, and got to know myself I realized, that for me, being dommed is about wanting to put his will before my own, my heart compelling me to. Everything else is window dressing.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/28/2007 1:09:40 AM   
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I am just starting out (literally) as I only just realized about a month ago that I am submissive. It is very interesting to read all your posts.. I think they will save me some big disappointments.
 
psykocloud, I can really relate to your posts. At this point, i believe that I am meant for a Poly relationship with a D/D couple. I am so glad to see you way you are heading for a committment in one.

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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/28/2007 1:13:57 AM   
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How did I start along this path?  For a long time, I didn't even know BDSM was an option -- it was just "those funny people in leather who do strange and dangerous stuff."  BDSM was a punchline, a funny caricature presented in a movie to break tension; it never, ever occurred to me that I might find something for myself in those images.  But I always had strange fantasies about confronting strong women and having them eventually submit to me sexually after a battle of wills.  Mostly I repressed that stuff -- it just didn't seem at all acceptable in today's society to want to dominate women, so I strove to simply shove that sort of notion aside, labelling it as a bunch of juvenile sex fantasies and some weird latent insecurity about women.

Then I slipped, very firmly, into the grasp of clinical depression, and I didn't do much of anything for most of a decade -- few relationships, fewer fantasies.  I was alive, but I'd be hard-pressed to offer much evidence of my existence during that time beyond the fact that I'm still here now.  Finally, I started getting some treatment, and my libido began to re-emerge after years on the shelf.  I didn't really know what to do with it, so once again I tried ignoring it and concentrating on healing myself.

I ran into a couple of Dommes online, through a role-playing website (RPol), and they just naturally assumed from my IMs that I was a dyed-in-the-wool sub, perhaps because, at the time, I was at the very beginning stages of my treatment for depression, and thus was somewhat timid and soft-spoken, not to mention polite.  They sort of "initiated" me into the BDSM community, and I began looking at this lifestyle, not as a punchline, but as a legitimate way of life.  In an act totally out of character for me, I went to see one of those two Dommes, to explore things further.  I tried subbing, but it did nothing for me, beyond being vaguely exciting in a "forbidden" sort of way.  Recalling all my old fantasies, I began to wonder if I was a switch, and changed my label to reflect that; mostly, though, I was just struggling to find my feet.  But as the therapy began to take hold and my natural assertiveness began to emerge -- finally -- I began to become far more attracted to the profiles of female subs.  Then in one of the chatrooms here... well, a couple of subs began teasing me gently, there was a strange sort of "click" in my brain, and that was it.  Dom.

I still have a great deal to learn about what I want and don't want, but I finally, finally have a starting point for my journey.  I can't wait to see what's next.


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RE: When you started and where you are now - 10/28/2007 5:50:15 AM   
LadyLegs


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 Although I had been a slave as a young woman, I had no understanding of what I was or what the lifestyle was about.  Only recently was I accidentally led to a site where I began to meet people that helped me understand what I am. 

The most wonderful thing is how easy it is to talk about the things I'd done or want to do without shame or judgement.  So I would say the thing thing that has changed the most is my self-awareness and self-confidence.  It has freed me. 

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